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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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I can't believe you didn't think this far ahead. It proves that your principles about personal or religious beliefs just smokescreens for your bigotry. Not that the rest of us ever doubted that for an instant.
You're now the spokesman for the loony liberals? This may be one of their better decisions.
 
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so once you have a menu you cant change your menu?...Obama says "you didnt build that"..

You can change the menu. But you can't simply change the menu as an excuse to discriminate.
 
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Why is age a protected class? Why does age trump deeply held religious views?

I assume these are rhetorical questions. I'm not a jurist and had no hand in deciding who needed government protection.
 
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yes....but they don't have to put any specific design or wording that they don't already offer.


So if a baker who does not want to make a gay cake, can refuse to put "steve love bob", since he's never done one before?
 
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Why do you only say "that businesses should be allowed to choose to serve whites only"? are you trying to paint me as a racist or something? I will tell you again, I am for businesses conducting business as they see fit. I am also for racist businesses outing themselves so I don't partake. Look at this pizza shop. social media lit em up way faster than the government ever could.


Segregation would imply much more than anything I said. Please just stop already.

I'm not saying that you are racist in any way shape or form.

However, you have repeatedly supported an individuals right to not only be racist, but to act on that racism in a way that substantially harms other people. I understand that this is a form of libertarianism that at least claims to operate under the idea that the free market will punish racists and make racism go away.

It may not be your understanding of the word, but businesses serving whites only IS segregation.
 
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So, does a black baker have to make a klan cake?

Does a northern Irish protestant have to make a pizza for a irish unification event?

Does a jewish baker have to bake a cake for a holocost denier?


I've been asking questions like this for days, but none of you seem to want to answer. ;)
According to liberal logic (yes, I know!) the holocaust denier and the the KKK could, under their proposed legislation, harass and force them out of business.
 
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I assume these are rhetorical questions. I'm not a jurist and had no hand in deciding who needed government protection.

Well then in that case you shouldn’t have any problem with sexuality being declared a protected class.
 
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I'm not saying that you are racist in any way shape or form.

However, you have repeatedly supported an individuals right to not only be racist, but to act on that racism in a way that substantially harms other people. I understand that this is a form of libertarianism that at least claims to operate under the idea that the free market will punish racists and make racism go away.

It may not be your understanding of the word, but businesses serving whites only IS segregation.



Not really, if you have 5 bars, and one decides it only wants to serve dominicans, is that segragation?
 
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I'm not saying that you are racist in any way shape or form.

However, you have repeatedly supported an individuals right to not only be racist, but to act on that racism in a way that substantially harms other people. I understand that this is a form of libertarianism that at least claims to operate under the idea that the free market will punish racists and make racism go away.

It may not be your understanding of the word, but businesses serving whites only IS segregation.

There is no harm caused by being refused service. I understand liberals believe there is, but factually not acting to change someones condition is an act that causes no harm. In order for someone to argue an act causes a harm they have to show that action changes some sort of condition, but not selling someone a cake, a house or anything else for that matter does nothing but leave things as they were.
 
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Not really, if you have 5 bars, and one decides it only wants to serve dominicans, is that segragation?

Yes. The Dominican only bar is a segregated bar.
 
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Yes. The Dominican only bar is a segregated bar.



So they support "Segregation"?



What if I don't care about the dominican bar and go to the 2 irish bars down the road, does that make me a "segregationist"?
 
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There is no harm caused by being refused service. I understand liberals believe there is, but factually not acting to change someones condition is an act that causes harm.

Really? So there's no harm in apartments refusing to rent to blacks? There's no harm in a grocery store refusing to sell food to blacks? There's no harm in whites having the ability to choose from all of the options, and blacks only getting a few?

Please.
 
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Really? So there's no harm in apartments refusing to rent to blacks? There's no harm in a grocery store refusing to sell food to blacks? There's no harm in whites having the ability to choose from all of the options, and blacks only getting a few?

Please.

Yes, there is no harm caused by those actions. If someone comes to you hungry and you do nothing to relieve them of that condition you did nothing but not assist them in their problem. The same thing is true for someone that comes to you needing shelter, healthcare or whatever else you can imagine.
 
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Really? So there's no harm in apartments refusing to rent to blacks? There's no harm in a grocery store refusing to sell food to blacks? There's no harm in whites having the ability to choose from all of the options, and blacks only getting a few?

Please.





what about all black fraternities? is that segragation? is that hurting whites, or is that different?
 
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So if a baker who does not want to make a gay cake, can refuse to put "steve love bob", since he's never done one before?

Yes. I think the law would support them as long as they are not refusing to provide the cake.
 
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So they support "Segregation"?



What if I don't care about the dominican bar and go to the 2 irish bars down the road, does that make me a "segregationist"?

No. Where you choose to drink doesn't matter.

You're a segregationist if you support the dominican bars ability to refuse service to non-dominicans.

Look, I know this is a libertarian thing.. where one concentrates on the "principle" of a law and ignore its effects. But there are parts of this country that are VERY racist. And if businesses in these places were allowed to choose to serve whites only, then virtually all of the businesses would serve whites only. So if you support the right of businesses to serve whites only, then you must accept that this would be the result in places. There would be portions of the country denied to blacks. Now that might be an acceptable tradeoff for you, but you can't ignore it.
 
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Well then in that case you shouldn’t have any problem with sexuality being declared a protected class.

You sure read a lot of things into posts that people never said.
 
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So they support "Segregation"?



What if I don't care about the dominican bar and go to the 2 irish bars down the road, does that make me a "segregationist"?

Well, what you have to realize is that discrimination in favor of blacks in the one case would be just fine, whereas discrimination in favor of the Irish would be wrong, because they are white. I can see you need some further education in politically correct thought.
 
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what about all black fraternities? is that segragation? is that hurting whites, or is that different?

Yes. Refusing to allow a white person to join a black frat is segregation.
 
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I wasn't trying to equate gay with anything abhorrent, in fact I left out, "what about a gay bakery having to make a "god hates fags" cake for some westboro types?


That's about as relevant as one could get. My bad for committing the one that is most relevant.



And leave lord satan out of this. Hail satan.
LOL

You're now the spokesman for the loony liberals? This may be one of their better decisions.

Yes, I am the sole representative for all liberals everywhere. Anything you need to know you can feel free to pass by me first.
 
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No. Where you choose to drink doesn't matter.

You're a segregationist if you support the dominican bars ability to refuse service to non-dominicans.

Look, I know this is a libertarian thing.. where one concentrates on the "principle" of a law and ignore its effects. But there are parts of this country that are VERY racist. And if businesses in these places were allowed to choose to serve whites only, then virtually all of the businesses would serve whites only. So if you support the right of businesses to serve whites only, then you must accept that this would be the result in places. There would be portions of the country denied to blacks. Now that might be an acceptable tradeoff for you, but you can't ignore it.

Are you claiming blacks are not capable of opening bars that cater to blacks? They have been doing just that for a very long time now. Here in L.A., the district along Central Avenue was full of black bars well before and after WWII.
 
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I covered that exact example earlier. If the baker doesn't want to make penis cakes, then the baker doesn't have to make them for anyone. Period.

But if the baker makes penis cakes for bachelorette parties, then the baker has to make penis cakes for anyone. This isn't an unreasonable standard, this isn't asking a business to be superhuman. But the business has to be agnostic as to their customers.

Here.. maybe this is easier. Instead of all of these hypothetical situations involving gays, imagine that they involved fat or ugly people. Could a baker refuse to make a wedding cake because the bride was too fat or ugly?
So if he later changes his mind about making penis cakes it really doesn't matter. He'll be stuck to making them forever. Does it matter about the color or size of these penis cakes? What about other body parts? Comply there as well?

This definitely calls for another level of bureaucracy.
 
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Are you claiming blacks are not capable of opening bars that cater to blacks? They have been doing just that for a very long time now. Here in L.A., the district along Central Avenue was full of black bars well before and after WWII.

And if you went in they'd serve you a drink.
 
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Why would a gay couple want someone opposed to their lifestyle to participate in their day anyway?
I wouldn't trust what they put on those pizzas.
 
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