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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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j-mac said:
It's a question everyone should ask...Would you want any service provider that wasn't into doing the best they could for you to be involved in something like your wedding day?

It really is a dumb thing to contemplate, because obviously the answer is no.
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A member of a minority, especially one that the majority expressed an active interest in discriminating against, would have a different perspective. You would do well to consider why they might believe differently than you.
 
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Mithros said:
As long as you're fine with segregation, that's at least a fully coherent intellectually honest position. I may not agree with that kind of libertarianism, but I can at least respect the idealism.
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I don't support segregation. I am not sure how you got that from my posts. /facepalm
 
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Cardinal said:
On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.
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Pedophilia is not illegal, acting on it is.

You can now drop that to any other "thought crime" which is what we must be cautious of.
 
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Cardinal said:
On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.
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My Dad used to have a sign in his pharmacy that read...

"We retain the right to refuse service to Anyone, for Anything, at Anytime."

I think that says it all.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't support segregation. I am not sure how you got that from my posts. /facepalm
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It's hard to argue in favor of forcing store owners to violate their conscience when you can't prove actual need to do so. Retreat to the race card requires some hoop-jumping, but is instinctive in this scenario.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
your asking the wrong person, I'd say let them not sell to other races. I prefer to know who these folks are so I can take my money elsewhere.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't support segregation. I am not sure how you got that from my posts. /facepalm
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That's definitionally segregation. You can't say that you support the right of a business to cater to whites only and then also say that you're against segregation.
 
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Cardinal said:
A member of a minority, especially one that the majority expressed an active interest in discriminating against, would have a different perspective. You would do well to consider why they might believe differently than you.
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They can "believe" what ever they wish. What we are talking about is codifying in law, and under the force of the State someone to render a service they may not wish to participate in...

You know the saying....You can force me to do a job, but you can't force me to do a good job....;)
 
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Mithros said:
That's definitionally segregation. You can't say that you support the right of a business to cater to whites only and then also say that you're against segregation.
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No it's not. /facepalm


I am not for segragated schools, I am not for segragation by law towns, cities. saying an individual should have the right to sell to whom he wishes no matter how abhorent I personally find it, should not be illegal.

I'd rather know who was the racist business so I don't have to buy from them.


How in that world is that supporting institutionalized segregation? FTLOG.
 
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Cardinal said:
I disagree. If certain members of the majority didn't feel the compulsion to discriminate against minorities protected classes wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
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Didn't liberals like yourself argue that the marketplace rejected discrimination in Indiana?
 
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j-mac said:
My Dad used to have a sign in his pharmacy that read...

"We retain the right to refuse service to Anyone, for Anything, at Anytime."

I think that says it all.
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What is says is that the manufacturers of those signs are making a mint. However, in reality that is all the good they are doing anyone.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Pedophilia is not illegal, acting on it is.

You can now drop that to any other "thought crime" which is what we must be cautious of.
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Perhaps, but this discussion has followed the formula that all these anti-gay threads tend to end up in: opening up the radius of the discussion to the most wretched, abhorred groups in the universe. If I say, "Yeah, you're going to have to do business with the NAMBLA dude," you're just going to keep raising the ante until finally you ask, "What if Satan,the Prince of Darkness and Lord of Flies wants to buy a cake, do you have to sell it to him then???" They always have to get as silly as humanly possible. But we're not talking about NAMBLA, KKK, Neo nazis, cannibals or Satan, the Fallen One. We're talking about gays, and whether or not you can discriminate against them.

Those tend to confuse the topic. Those signs are only good to the people making a profit off of selling them to what seems to be every business in the U.S.
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Oh, I certainly get that they're intended to confuse the topic.
 
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Mithros said:
That's definitionally segregation. You can't say that you support the right of a business to cater to whites only and then also say that you're against segregation.
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Yes, because mutual consent must not be tolerated.
 
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Cardinal said:
Perhaps, but this discussion has followed the formula that all these anti-gay threads tend to end up in: opening up the radius of the discussion to the most wretched, abhorred groups in the universe. If I say, "Yeah, you're going to have to do business with the NAMBLA dude," you're just going to keep raising the ante until finally you ask, "What if Satan,the Prince of Darkness and Lord of Flies wants to buy a cake, do you have to sell it to him then???" They always have to go as absurd as humanly possible. But we're not talking about NAMBLA, KKK, Neo nazis, cannibals or Satan, the Fallen One. We're talking about gays, and whether or not you can discriminate against them.
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I wasn't trying to equate gay with anything abhorrent, in fact I left out, "what about a gay bakery having to make a "god hates fags" cake for some westboro types?


That's about as relevant as one could get. My bad for committing the one that is most relevant.



And leave lord satan out of this. Hail satan.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
your asking the wrong person, I'd say let them not sell to other races. I prefer to know who these folks are so I can take my money elsewhere.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't support segregation. I am not sure how you got that from my posts. /facepalm
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ReverendHellh0und said:
No it's not. /facepalm


I am not for segragated schools, I am not for segragation by law towns, cities. saying an individual should have the right to sell to whom he wishes no matter how abhorent I personally find it, should not be illegal.

I'd rather know who was the racist business so I don't have to buy from them.


How in that world is that supporting institutionalized segregation? FTLOG.
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Uhhhh.. Word of advise, never make a implied distinction between government sponsored segregation and private sector segregation.

That said, regardless of what you claim, if you say that businesses should be allowed to choose to serve whites only then you are in favor of segregation. There are significant areas of this country where black people would not be able to buy a house, rent an apartment, buy food, see a doctor etc... if businesses were allowed to discriminate.
 
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Grant said:
In fact many businesses can write their own rules. You've probably been turned away many times by the "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" rule.
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That is a public health issue...try again.
 
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tres borrachos said:
"Age" is a protected class.

"Fat" isn't. Neither is "ugly".
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Why is age a protected class? Why does age trump deeply held religious views?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
So, does a black baker have to make a klan cake?

Does a northern Irish protestant have to make a pizza for a irish unification event?

Does a jewish baker have to bake a cake for a holocost denier?


I've been asking questions like this for days, but none of you seem to want to answer. ;)
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1. No - he doesn't have to make any cake that he doesn't already make. He cannot refuse a klans member service thoguh

2. Yes

3. Yes
 
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Mithros said:
Uhhhh.. Word of advise, never make a implied distinction between government sponsored segregation and private sector segregation.

That said, regardless of what you claim, if you say that businesses should be allowed to choose to serve whites only then you are in favor of segregation. There are significant areas of this country where black people would not be able to buy a house, rent an apartment, buy food, see a doctor etc... if businesses were allowed to discriminate.
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Why do you only say "that businesses should be allowed to choose to serve whites only"? are you trying to paint me as a racist or something? I will tell you again, I am for businesses conducting business as they see fit. I am also for racist businesses outing themselves so I don't partake. Look at this pizza shop. social media lit em up way faster than the government ever could.




Segregation would imply much more than anything I said. Please just stop already.
 
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disneydude said:
That is a public health issue...try again.
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so youre ok with forcing Muslim bakers to have to make GAY men kissing cakes...

why dont you respect the Muslim religion?
 
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disneydude said:
1. No - he doesn't have to make any cake that he doesn't already make. He cannot refuse a klans member service thoguh

2. Yes

3. Yes
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and does a gay baker have to make a cake for a "god hates fags" group?
 
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Mithros said:
Uhhhh.. Word of advise, never make a implied distinction between government sponsored segregation and private sector segregation.

That said, regardless of what you claim, if you say that businesses should be allowed to choose to serve whites only then you are in favor of segregation. There are significant areas of this country where black people would not be able to buy a house, rent an apartment, buy food, see a doctor etc... if businesses were allowed to discriminate.
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Word of advice, the government is tasked with serving all the people, the people are not tasked with serving each other.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

disneydude said:
1. No - he doesn't have to make any cake that he doesn't already make. He cannot refuse a klans member service thoguh

2. Yes

3. Yes
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so once you have a menu you cant change your menu?...Obama says "you didnt build that"..
 
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Travis007 said:
so youre ok with forcing Muslim bakers to have to make GAY men kissing cakes...

why dont you respect the Muslim religion?
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Not unless that is a cake that they already offer. They cannot deny a gay person service because they think they are "icky" though.

I have respect for the Muslim religion as I do all religions. In America, they are free to practice.
 
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