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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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ReverendHellh0und said:
Protected classes keep a division, one that is often subconsciously or not, designed to keep that voting block/divide. Soft racism.
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Soft racism? I think those classes would find that to be an ironic statement, seeing as it was "hard bigotry" leveled against them that put them on the protected class list in the first place.
 
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Travis007 said:
just to show how this is off the rails....unreal

COLORADO COURT: Bakeries Can Refuse Anti-Gay Cakes – But Must Bake Gay Wedding Cakes | The Gateway Pundit

so I guess there can be no Muslim bakeries in CO.....

amazing
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What's unreasonable about that? You're comparing apples and oranges.

As a business they are well within their rights to choose not to provide cakes with hateful or racist language on them. The closest comparison isn't a wedding cake for a gay wedding, its a cake with hateful language about straight people or some ethnic group. That's not the same as a wedding cake.
 
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Travis007 said:
yes by "taking over " he meant " he wants them "rolled over by the liberal agenda"...
my point is look at the narrative here? the liberals are on dangerous slippery slope.. but we know they are the biggest hypocrites and do not want any freedoms from the tyranny
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Yeah, you got that right....Let's look at it this way...If an African American wedding hall owner was approached to host a wedding for KKK members they would, and should have the right to tell them to get the hell out of their business...Not the way liberals are thinking about this....I say to them, careful what you wish for.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
What if it's happenstance. Dude just don't like makin penis cakes.
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I covered that exact example earlier. If the baker doesn't want to make penis cakes, then the baker doesn't have to make them for anyone. Period.

But if the baker makes penis cakes for bachelorette parties, then the baker has to make penis cakes for anyone. This isn't an unreasonable standard, this isn't asking a business to be superhuman. But the business has to be agnostic as to their customers.

Here.. maybe this is easier. Instead of all of these hypothetical situations involving gays, imagine that they involved fat or ugly people. Could a baker refuse to make a wedding cake because the bride was too fat or ugly?
 
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Cardinal said:
Soft racism? I think those classes would find that to be an ironic statement, seeing as it was "hard bigotry" leveled against them that put them on the protected class list in the first place.
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yes, "Those classes" "those people" need "my" "help"..... division.
 
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Mithros said:
I covered that exact example earlier. If the baker doesn't want to make penis cakes, then the baker doesn't have to make them for anyone. Period.

But if the baker makes penis cakes for bachelorette parties, then the baker has to make penis cakes for anyone. This isn't an unreasonable standard, this isn't asking a business to be superhuman. But the business has to be agnostic as to their customers.

Here.. maybe this is easier. Instead of all of these hypothetical situations involving gays, imagine that they involved fat or ugly people. Could a baker refuse to make a wedding cake because the bride was too fat or ugly?
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your asking the wrong person, I'd say let them not sell to other races. I prefer to know who these folks are so I can take my money elsewhere.
 
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Mithros said:
What's unreasonable about that? You're comparing apples and oranges.

As a business they are well within their rights to choose not to provide cakes with hateful or racist language on them. The closest comparison isn't a wedding cake for a gay wedding, its a cake with hateful language about straight people or some ethnic group. That's not the same as a wedding cake.
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so you want to force a Muslim bakery to have to make the Gay cake?... why cant we all be free to serve who we feel like serving ..
those poor Mulims will be forced to go out of business like the Pizza Shop has to endure now..
 
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Mithros said:
What's unreasonable about that? You're comparing apples and oranges.

As a business they are well within their rights to choose not to provide cakes with hateful or racist language on them. The closest comparison isn't a wedding cake for a gay wedding, its a cake with hateful language about straight people or some ethnic group. That's not the same as a wedding cake.
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The question is forcing by law, a business to participate in something they don't wish to participate in....That doesn't scream freedom to me.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
yes, "Those classes" "those people" need "my" "help"..... division.
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Not so. Just give them the same service you would give anyone else.
 
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Cardinal said:
Not so. Just give them the same service you would give anyone else.
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Why would a gay couple want someone opposed to their lifestyle to participate in their day anyway?
 
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Mithros said:
What's unreasonable about that? You're comparing apples and oranges.

As a business they are well within their rights to choose not to provide cakes with hateful or racist language on them. The closest comparison isn't a wedding cake for a gay wedding, its a cake with hateful language about straight people or some ethnic group. That's not the same as a wedding cake.
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whats hateful language?. do we have to have Pelosi endorse the words?
what if I want " I like to beat my meat" on a cake?... or "Id rather be hunting taliban"..

do I not have the right to have that?..but they MUST make a cake with two men kissing against my religious beliefs that one may hold sacred? that they must be FORCED TO MAKE
 
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j-mac said:
Yeah, you got that right....Let's look at it this way...If an African American wedding hall owner was approached to host a wedding for KKK members they would, and should have the right to tell them to get the hell out of their business...Not the way liberals are thinking about this....I say to them, careful what you wish for.
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Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.

The easiest way to think about this is to replace gay with old, fat, or ugly. Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"? Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"? Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
 
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j-mac said:
Why would a gay couple want someone opposed to their lifestyle to participate in their day anyway?
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This kind of question is a luxury the majority is allowed to indulge itself in.
 
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j-mac said:
Why would a gay couple want someone opposed to their lifestyle to participate in their day anyway?
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bingo..

because its all about fake outrage with the liberals and not wasting a "crisis".. and creating division and flash points
 
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Mithros said:
Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.

The easiest way to think about this is to replace gay with old, fat, or ugly. Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"? Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"? Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
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Yes.. an owner should have the simple right to say NO to whoever they dont want to work with.. period. unless its a monopoly, health related, emergency medical, utility etc

But not int the Obamastates....Obama built that..not you or me..
 
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Cardinal said:
Not so. Just give them the same service you would give anyone else.
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I don't want to server klansmen, child molestation supporters, and holocost deniers, how is that wrong?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't want to server klansmen, child molestation supporters, and holocost deniers, how is that wrong?
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its not wrong.. you are right.. much like doing work for people with poor credit, thats a risk I choose often to not take and say no to taking an order... should I be forced to have to take that risk?... no
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
your asking the wrong person, I'd say let them not sell to other races. I prefer to know who these folks are so I can take my money elsewhere.
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As long as you're fine with segregation, that's at least a fully coherent intellectually honest position. I may not agree with that kind of libertarianism, but I can at least respect the idealism.
 
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Mithros said:
Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.

The easiest way to think about this is to replace gay with old, fat, or ugly. Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"? Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"? Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
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No to the last one, because you can't refuse to serve someone based on age.
 
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Mithros said:
Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.

The easiest way to think about this is to replace gay with old, fat, or ugly. Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"? Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"? Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
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Your post doesnt even have logical deduction to it?
 
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tres borrachos said:
No to the last one, because you can't refuse to serve someone based on age.
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I agree.. but if a shop owner wants to "ruin themselves" we should allow them to destroy themselves....
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't want to server klansmen, child molestation supporters, and holocost deniers, how is that wrong?
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On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.
 
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Mithros said:
Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.
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As opposed to a Christian Caterer having to cater a wedding full of LGBT propaganda....Right? ;)

Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"?
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Yes they could...Unless you think "too fat" is a protected class.

Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"?
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Sure, just say he was booked.

Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
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Happens all the time...Ever been to a club with a doorman that picks who can go in?

Fact is that we discriminate all the time, in all walks of life...The good news is that creates more businesses to cater to those that are discriminated against...Now, do I think that all discrimination is good, or fair? No, of course not, and I think it rather stupid that anyone in business would turn down business. I mean after all the money is green. However, with that said we live in a free society, and I'd like to stay that way.
 
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Cardinal said:
This kind of question is a luxury the majority is allowed to indulge itself in.
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It's a question everyone should ask...Would you want any service provider that wasn't into doing the best they could for you to be involved in something like your wedding day?

It really is a dumb thing to contemplate, because obviously the answer is no.
 
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