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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Not the issue. Certain Christians want to discriminate against gays for "personal beliefs." If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?
Be the free spirit I know you can be and definitely don't fill out those forms.
 
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I appreciate Henrin taking over for you because you feel stumped, but this was really meant for you.

If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?

Equating filing of income tax with free enterprise is really nonsense, unless you want a society regulated like that of North Korea.

The fact that the left even thinks that way shows they have no concept of morality, individual liberties, or freedom.
 
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Be the free spirit I know you can be and definitely don't fill out those forms.

I can't believe you didn't think this far ahead. It proves that your principles about personal or religious beliefs just smokescreens for your bigotry. Not that the rest of us ever doubted that for an instant.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Not the issue. Certain Christians want to discriminate against gays for "personal beliefs." If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?

Why do you believe the government should have the power to compel people to act when they committed no crime?
 
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Why do you believe the government should have the power to compel people to act when they committed no crime?

Soon enough it will be a crime. If you don't think lgbt's will be a Federally protected class in the foreseeable future you're living in a dreamland. At that point people will have to choose between a)staying in business or b)closing up shop.

Their choice.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Well, if you won't serve me, then I should have the power to sue you. Why should you have the power to sue me? Because you want a cake? Why is it that liberals seem to care about mutual consent in some cases and in other cases that entire concept goes out the window? For some reason on this issue they turn into entitled little children that start crying because someone doesn't want to make them a cake. Seriously, get over it. People don't always want to trade with you. It's not some horrible crime against humanity to refuse to trade with someone.
 
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Why bother with courts and ****..

Death threats and calls for arson seem to have done the trick.

Mob justice works.

Yeah, you don't want to be a conservative and gain the ire of the LGBT mafia. **** you up bad they will.
It's all part of their being so 'tolerant', don't you know.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Soon enough it will be a crime. If you don't think lgbt's will be a Federally protected class in the foreseeable future you're living in a dreamland. At that point people will have to choose between a)staying in business or b)closing up shop.

Their choice.

Yes, it's a crime to not provide my labor so the government can have my property, it's a crime that I won't provide my labor because the government got the great idea to pass some kind of regulation, and it's a crime that I won't provide my labor so that someone else can have cake. Yeah, those are crimes.
 
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I'm glad she's been suspended. What she did was disgraceful.
The newspaper also reported that the police department conducted an investigation and forwarded the case to the St. Joseph County Prosecutor’s Office for possible charges, according to a statement.

Read more at: National Review

Well I should think suspension would be the least of what she would face. I learned in a law class that there is a small number of crimes you are legally permitted to kill someone for if you catch him in the act of committing them, and arson is one of them.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I can't believe you didn't think this far ahead. It proves that your principles about personal or religious beliefs just smokescreens for your bigotry. Not that the rest of us ever doubted that for an instant.

I never cease to be bemused by those who presume to tell others what their beliefs are. What incredible mind-reading powers you must have.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I never cease to be amused by those who presume to tell others what their beliefs are. What incredible mind-reading powers you must have.

You apparently have forgotten the premise of these threads. I will permit you to go to the beginning and read through them again.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

You apparently have forgotten the premise of these threads. I will permit you to go to the beginning and read through them again.

:shrug: and?
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Well I should think suspension would be the least of what she would face. I learned in a law class that there is a small number of crimes you are legally permitted to kill someone for if you catch him in the act of committing them, and arson is one of them.

Seriously?
 
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Seriously?

Just passing on what the law professor said. Some of the others are kidnapping, murder and rape, as I recall.
 
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Damn interesting. I didn't know that.

Yeah, so when I read about the coach who threatened to burn down the pizzeria, my first thought was "Oooh, I'm really glad I'm not her right now."
 
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Sorry, but no it isn't.

Refusing to serve 2 gay people who came in to the restaurant, sat down and ordered a pizza, is discriminating against gay people. Refusing to cater a gay wedding is refusing to take part in a ceremony that violates the religious tenets of most Christians, Muslims and Jews. It is the event that they refuse to take part in, not the serving of gay people.

Of course you know this, just like everyone knows this, whether they admit it or not.

The reality is, this is an assault against people of faith by the anti-religious bigots on the political left. They want to force them to either renounce their faith, violate their faith, or be financially destroyed if they refuse to comply. They are demonstrating exactly what hate, bigotry and intolerance looks like.

Speak for yourself regarding Christians. There are a whole lot of Christians who have no problem with gay marriage or homosexuality in general. It's just the Evangelical Christians who have decided they have a personal connection with God, and that God doesn't like gay people. Arrogant, I know, but it's how they roll.

It's one of the beliefs they share with Muslim extremists. Birds of a feather, so to speak.
 
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They CHOSE to go into business. No one is forcing them to open the business. But opening a business does not entitle anyone to write their own rules.



So, does a black baker have to make a klan cake?

Does a northern Irish protestant have to make a pizza for a irish unification event?

Does a jewish baker have to bake a cake for a holocost denier?


I've been asking questions like this for days, but none of you seem to want to answer. ;)
 
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When I paint someone's portrait I don't think that I'm condoning, approving of or taking part in their life. To me that constitutes the highest order of arrogance

What you think about that is not relevant to whether a law that required a painter to portray a homosexual couple at their wedding would unconstitutionally compel speech. What the Supreme Court has said in a number of cases involving the First Amendment freedoms of speech and association--especially Roberts, Hurley, Dale, Barnette, Wooley, and Justice Powell's concurring opinion in Prune Yard Shopping Center--make it pretty clear that laws which require private persons to endorse, propound, or celebrate views they do not agree with are unconstitutional.

Artistic expression is speech for constitutional purposes. There could not be a clearer celebration of same-sex marriage than a same-sex wedding. Compelling a third party to make an artistic portrayal of that wedding, even though he did not want the job and strongly opposed same-sex marriage for religious or other reasons, would be compelling him to endorse it against his will. I don't think it's even a close call, in the case of an artist. It would violate the freedom of speech just as surely as laws violated it by forcing Jehovah's Witnesses to salute the flag, as in Barnette, or to display "Live Free or Die" on their license plates, as in Wooley.

Here is an amicus brief in the Elane Photography case that goes into this issue in detail. I think the authors have it exactly right.


http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ElaneAmicusCato.pdf
 
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Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Speak for yourself regarding Christians. There are a whole lot of Christians who have no problem with gay marriage or homosexuality in general.

I know there are, but I was speaking to the ones that do find it sacrilegious. There particular beliefs should be respected.



It's just the Evangelical Christians who have decided they have a personal connection with God, and that God doesn't like gay people. Arrogant, I know, but it's how they roll.

It's one of the beliefs they share with Muslim extremists. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Are you saying that the Muslim bakers in Dearborn, Michigan are Muslim extremists?

 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I know there are, but I was speaking to the ones that do find it sacrilegious. There particular beliefs should be respected.

Are you saying that the Muslim bakers in Dearborn, Michigan are Muslim extremists?



No, I'm saying Evangelical Christians have the same attitude towards homosexuality as do Muslim extremists. Fortunately for the rest of us, we haven't yet let them take over the country.
 
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I know there are, but I was speaking to the ones that do find it sacrilegious. There particular beliefs should be respected.





Are you saying that the Muslim bakers in Dearborn, Michigan are Muslim extremists?




Great post..
I had made the same point in one of the threads...

we should demand that the Muslims much make " a gay Christian couple a bacon cake with Mohammads picture on it with a gay wedding figurine on it.. if not they are HATERS and MUST BE SHUT DOWN...
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

No, I'm saying Evangelical Christians have the same attitude towards homosexuality as do Muslim extremists. Fortunately for the rest of us, we haven't yet let them take over the country.

If that's the case, then you are saying that the Muslim bakers in Dearborn are extremists, because as the video clearly depicts, they refuse to decorate a cake with any references to homosexuality at all, much less cater a gay wedding.

I thank you for your honesty though, because it isn't often a liberal will spill the beans on their true feelings.
 
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