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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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sangha said:
18 CITIES WORLDWIDE JOIN JULY 19 IRAN PROTESTS
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That was from 2006, nine years ago. It doesn't seem to have caught on in any big way. Gays and those who support their rights could have protested the deal with Iran on those grounds but didn't. Instead they attack a hypothetical in a small town in Indiana.

It seems politics, and discretion, comes first while human rights, including those of Gays, will be taken less seriously.
 
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Montecresto said:
I haven't seen that, but if they have, you're advocating that they be shut down also?
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No, I'm wondering why liberal/progressives don't have a problem with their religious discrimination, but do have a problem when they perceive members of another specific religious faith appear to.
 
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Cardinal said:
Are people being forced to stay in business if they don't like the regulations they have to abide by?
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No, in fact they are being forced out of business and into hiding because of a hypothetical question. Isn't that what this is all about?
 
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SMTA said:
The only thing lacking here are your baseless and uneducated assumptions about what I believe.

Spare me your hyperbolic comments.

Stick to spewing your garbage about what you think you know, not want you want to believe.

Try Googling that instead.
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Your posts prove that you have no basis for your comment.. the Pizza place is closing because the Liberal Gays are calling the place 24/7 and they cant figure out whats a legit call in order ..they are being "harassed"...

as always your posts are garbage to me
 
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Grant said:
They can't understand that compelling people to work in areas in which they feel uncomfortable will mean less personal discretion and, as we see daily, an over-regulated society where anyone, any time, will be breaking some rule or other. The courts, media and protesters will be used to apply public pressure to whoever dares exercise personal discretion . Some groups will be more likely forced to abide with these restrictive laws than others, and the law will be more rigorously enforced with some groups, or in some areas, more than others.

I happen to have a Gay son and, though it doesn't matter in this case, am in favor of Gay marriage. But if there was a wedding and someone felt uncomfortable doing the catering I would find another caterer. I can understand why some people may feel uncomfortable and can respect their feelings while the dogmatic Leftists can't. There will be constant clashes between all these groups and there will never be a winner, or peace, if we remove common sense, discretion, and the rights of others from the equation.

The Leftists seem to believe that this is a victory for a freer and more open society, as though only laws can ensure that, when in fact society will become more restrictive and the right to 'live and let live' will be less common.
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Well stated. I share your view and conclusions. Slippery slope, and unintended consequences are concepts that appear to be vacant from the current ideologically driven agenda of the Left.
 
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Montecresto said:
Where's the hypocrisy, it was a straight conservative comedian that conducted that little charade, not a gay couple denied service.
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It was a hypothetical just as the case with Memories pizza was a hypothetical. In the Memories case the leftists went wild, in the second they remained silent. You really don't see the hypocrisy?
 
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Grant said:
No, in fact they are being forced out of business and into hiding because of a hypothetical question. Isn't that what this is all about?
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So in other words they face the same exact freedoms and limitations the rest of us deal with. I thought you guys were against special rights?

Ignoring your histrionics.
 
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Travis007 said:
Your posts prove that you have no basis for your comment.. the Pizza place is closing because the Liberal Gays are calling the place 24/7 and they cant figure out whats a legit call in order ..they are being "harassed"...

as always your posts are garbage to me
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Aren't you just cute when you try and be mean and nasty.
 
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Cardinal said:
So in other words they face the same exact freedoms and limitations the rest of us deal with. I thought you guys were against special rights? Ignoring your histrionics.
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You are being forced to do something which goes against your personal beliefs? What is that?

Don't bother with the 'in other words' business either. You are a 'liberal' remember.
 
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ocean515 said:
Your words mean nothing. A miniscule number of same sex couples might, in the farthest stretch of reality, have thought of the pizzeria to cater their wedding. So by your standards, it shouldn't matter that they answered a hypothetical question based on their beliefs, the way they did.

The name calling and attacks are just par for the massive hypocritical course by the left.

Again, it's a shame the left can't seem to offer the same level of tolerance and respect they demand others show them. History has documented how far and dark that kind of thinking can go.
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It doesn't change the bottom line or your bogus claim. You tried to claim that a large number of gay people were threatening the pizza owner. That simply isn't true. It was a miniscule number and not widely supported by anyone. Sorry...but facts do mean something.

While I don't condone threats of violence against anyone....it doesn't change the fact that the owners of the pizza have bigoted beliefs. Sorry...again....that is simply a fact.

They are entitled to their bigoted beliefs however....what they don't, however, have the right to do....thankfully as a result of the change in the Indiana law...is use those bigoted beliefs to discriminate.
 
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Grant said:
You are being forced to do something which goes against your personal beliefs? What is that?

Don't bother with the 'in other words' business either. You are a 'liberal' remember.
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They CHOSE to go into business. No one is forcing them to open the business. But opening a business does not entitle anyone to write their own rules.
 
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disneydude said:
It doesn't change the bottom line or your bogus claim. You tried to claim that a large number of gay people were threatening the pizza owner. That simply isn't true. It was a miniscule number and not widely supported by anyone. Sorry...but facts do mean something.

While I don't condone threats of violence against anyone....it doesn't change the fact that the owners of the pizza have bigoted beliefs. Sorry...again....that is simply a fact.

They are entitled to their bigoted beliefs however....what they don't, however, have the right to do....thankfully as a result of the change in the Indiana law...is use those bigoted beliefs to discriminate.
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BS. Prove the numbers were miniscule. No credibility Dude, you're words are lost on the wind.
 
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disneydude said:
They CHOSE to go into business. No one is forcing them to open the business. But opening a business does not entitle anyone to write their own rules.
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In fact many businesses can write their own rules. You've probably been turned away many times by the "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" rule.
 
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Grant said:
You are being forced to do something which goes against your personal beliefs? What is that?

Don't bother with the 'in other words' business either. You are a 'liberal' remember.
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Yes, I don't want to follow EPA standards or file my 1099's by February 2nd. They go against my personal beliefs.
 
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ocean515 said:
I completely agree FL.

This trumped up hate fest should be embarrassing to all who have supported it. Persecution of people for their religious convictions has no place in the US, or elsewhere. That it is applauded and encouraged should be a sign for all.

The darkest days of mankind have been fueled by the puppet masters who have convinced the gullible that such actions are warranted for the "good of country". Nothing but shame should felt by those who are attempting to revive this kind of thinking.
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"Mercy is the highest attribute of man", Clarence Darrow said in argument against the death penalty.

If mercy is an attribute at all, where has it been displayed here?

Deaths threats are not to be justified in any situation, and apologizing or excusing this behavior is equal of the crime itself
 
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Grant said:
You're quite the rebel.
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So you agree then that not following EPA codes or filing 1099's by Feb 2 is acceptable because they go against my personal beliefs?
 
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Cardinal said:
So you agree then that not following EPA codes or filing 1099's by Feb 2 is acceptable because they go against my personal beliefs?
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Follow your bliss.
 
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Grant said:
Follow your bliss.
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So you agree I shouldn't be compelled by the state then to do those things...that I shouldn't be punished?
 
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Grant said:
They can't understand that compelling people to work in areas in which they feel uncomfortable will mean less personal discretion and, as we see daily, an over-regulated society where anyone, any time, will be breaking some rule or other. The courts, media and protesters will be used to apply public pressure to whoever dares exercise personal discretion . Some groups will be more likely forced to abide with these restrictive laws than others, and the law will be more rigorously enforced with some groups, or in some areas, more than others.

I happen to have a Gay son and, though it doesn't matter in this case, am in favor of Gay marriage. But if there was a wedding and someone felt uncomfortable doing the catering I would find another caterer. I can understand why some people may feel uncomfortable and can respect their feelings while the dogmatic Leftists can't. There will be constant clashes between all these groups and there will never be a winner, or peace, if we remove common sense, discretion, and the rights of others from the equation.

The Leftists seem to believe that this is a victory for a freer and more open society, as though only laws can ensure that, when in fact society will become more restrictive and the right to 'live and let live' will be less common.
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I don't think people should be compelled to spread the love, and homophobes that feel "uncomfortable" around gays, shouldn't be pushed into their discomfort. I would advocate pulling a business liscense from a company practicing such discrimination, Muslim, Christian or otherwise. If not that, at least signage on your establishment of the things you won't cater your services to. We reserve the right to refuse our catering services to the annual skin heads convention, quarterly meetings of the KKK, same sex weddings, and the monthly anarchist parties. Let the market place decide.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
"Mercy is the highest attribute of man", Clarence Darrow said in argument against the death penalty.

If mercy is an attribute at all, where has it been displayed here?

Deaths threats are not to be justified in any situation, and apologizing or excusing this behavior is equal of the crime itself
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A teacher tweets, “Who's going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me? Agree with #FreedomofReligion bill? “That's a lifestyle they CHOOSE” Ignorant”

So how many young people has this "teacher" filled with hate and intolerance before her warped thinking was exposed?

Where is compassion for others, reverence for the comfort another person gains from their beliefs, humility in knowing there are more truths than your own, and willingness to allow another their convictions, without demanding they only accept your own?
 
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Montecresto said:
I don't think people should be compelled to spread the love, and homophobes that feel "uncomfortable" around gays, shouldn't be pushed into their discomfort. I would advocate pulling a business liscense from a company practicing such discrimination, Muslim, Christian or otherwise. If not that, at least signage on your establishment of the things you won't cater your services to. We reserve the right to refuse our catering services to the annual skin heads convention, quarterly meetings of the KKK, same sex weddings, and the monthly anarchist parties. Let the market place decide.
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Or rather than 'pulling licenses' why not just get another caterer?
 
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prometeus said:
What happened to the penis cake? Now you want your cake and eat it too?
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Nothing. For someone who wants one, it's still there, just like the penis stromboli at Tony Baloney's (Not Workplace Safe) in Hoboken. So far, I see a few trollish comments but no serious responses that argue why refusing to bake a specific type of cake is discriminatory. I guess the Gay Army would rather just cry in their stromboli about how they're being discriminated against and picked on by bigoted Christians even while they can't articulate a serious argument refuting my point.
 
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ocean515 said:
No, I'm wondering why liberal/progressives don't have a problem with their religious discrimination, but do have a problem when they perceive members of another specific religious faith appear to.
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I'm not a liberal progressive, and I'm not sure whether or not any who self identify as such are accepting of Muslim bakery discrimination against LGBT. But, I'm an advocate of LGBT rights, and as such, I'LL CONDEMN Muslim bakeries discriminating the LGBT!!!
 
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