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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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prometeus said:
Can you grasp the implication of that?
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Can you? One it doesn't allow you to define what others consider their own objections. Two, it prevents the government from over defining the law.
 
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Cardinal said:
I agree. I would be forgiven by and large by the artist community for painting a KKK member. None of us would like it, but we all understand that ya gotta pay your bills.
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To be fair, that's the same reaction the pizza makers would get from the religious community. But it's not about that. It's about personal religious objection.
 
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clownboy said:
And in the same way the Muslim deli isn't making ham sandwiches the Christian pizza parlor isn't catering gay weddings. The "normal subject matter" is just a dodge. It is very much on your menu to paint portraits of people wearing what they choose to wear.
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No, it's not a dodge, it's getting at what discrimination actually is. If I want hamburger from an Indian restaurant, I'm going to get turned down because they don't have hamburger. If they do have hamburger but turn me down because I'm not a Hindu, that's discrimination.

The "Christian Pizza for Straight Weddings Only" restaurant is weaker than hell and I expect better of you than this. Simply citing the group you're discriminating against doesn't change the fact that you're discriminating.
 
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clownboy said:
To be fair, that's the same reaction the pizza makers would get from the religious community. But it's not about that. It's about personal religious objection.
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Nobody likes regulations. That the objection is religious is irrelevant. If their beliefs are that big of a deal to them, then they can make the same choices we all have to make when faced with unpleasant regulations: deal with them or don't go into business.
 
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Grim17 said:
This coming from someone who just insinuated I was a racist.
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I already explained to you the reason I brought it up. You're demonstrating phony outrage in a weak attempt to deflect my point. That's on you, not me.

Grim17 said:
Let me give you a clue then... Event vs. Individual.

Now answer your own damned question
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What question?
 
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clownboy said:
Can you? One it doesn't allow you to define what others consider their own objections. Two, it prevents the government from over defining the law.
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No, there is just one, chaos.
No safe civilized society can exist in a stare of chaos.
 
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Cardinal said:
Nobody likes regulations. That the objection is religious is irrelevant. If their beliefs are that big of a deal to them, then they can make the same choices we all have to make when faced with unpleasant regulations: deal with them or don't go into business.
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That's just it, it's NOT irrelevant, it's their right. A constitutional right that trumps regulation.
 
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prometeus said:
No, there is just one, chaos.
No safe civilized society can exist in a stare of chaos.
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Chaos in this case meaning, "I don't have the power to define and control what others object to". :mrgreen:
 
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clownboy said:
That's just it, it's NOT irrelevant, it's their right. A constitutional right that trumps regulation.
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Demonstrably incorrect in many states (and soon to be the entirety of the United States). And when that's the case they can choose to serve the customers or not do business.

Alright, off to Easter dinner. Later.
 
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prometeus said:
No, being so utterly stupid is not a sin, just most unfortunate. Maybe we can hope that they could learn from all this, though I confess I have my doubts.
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As you said that they lack the intelligence to know that it is "unfortunate" to be honest, how do you expect them to learn? You can't spout an ad hom insult about their innate inability to know that being honest is unwise, and then sneer they could learn from this.

Or might your hate of Christians gotten the best of your rational faculties?
 
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Grim17 said:
Catering food for a gay wedding, is choosing to participate in and/or contribute to that wedding ceremony.

This isn't rocket science here, just common sense stuff.
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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 .. Title II says if you have private business you can't choose your customers. The very idea that the Christian owners is being discriminated against is complete utter bull****. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nobody says they need to give up one iota of their faith, but if they are doing business they must serve all their customers.
 
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clownboy said:
Chaos in this case meaning, "I don't have the power to define and control what others object to". :mrgreen:
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No, it means that next time you are in need of emergency care some asshole can and will say that you do not meet his moronic criteria and you can die.
 
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maxparrish said:
As you said that they lack the intelligence to know that it is "unfortunate" to be honest, how do you expect them to learn?
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As they say some of the best learned lessons are the hard lessons. They again some are just condemned for eternal stupidity, I guess that too is Deus Vult.

Or might your hate of Christians gotten the best of your rational faculties?
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Who said anything about hating Christians? I do dislike bigots especially those who would use religion as an excuse. Just so you know, for me bigots are people who act on their irrational dislikes. Ever wonder why the Pope does not condone such bigotry? He must hate Christians too eh?
 
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Wiggen said:
Rush Limbaugh is a 'respected mind'? Now you're just joking with me! :lamo

Good one. He's still a repulsive excuse for a human being, a serial womanizer, a demagogue of the worst sort, and a fat tub of lard.
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Why am I wasting my time responding to this? I've heard less name calling from a third grader at recess.

You can't just look at what the man does(sit in a room, alone, for 3 hours, no guests, just his opinions) and the unbelievable success he has had. You can't even give props to him for that?
I think michael moore is the biggest load on two feet, but notice I don't name call him or say he has no talent. OBVIOUSLY he has SOME talent. My own opinions don't blind me from that. but you......you have some real problems with seeing past your own politics. If they don't agree with YOU then they MUST be morons, right? I can't think of anything more narrow minded than that. but whatever helps you sleep at night
 
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JoeTrumps said:
If they don't agree with YOU then they MUST be morons, right?
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You really believe that somehow being a moron and successful are mutually exclusive or that being a moron is monopolized by a particular political position? There are morons on every side and many more who support them, be that financially, with lip service or sexual favors, etc. Pointing out that someone does belong in that category when the indicators are as blatantly obvious as in the case of Rush is just being factual.
 
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prometeus said:
You really believe that somehow being a moron and successful are mutually exclusive or that being a moron is monopolized by a particular political position? There are morons on every side and many more who support them, be that financially, with lip service or sexual favors, etc. Pointing out that someone does belong in that category when the indicators are as blatantly obvious as in the case of Rush is just being factual.
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yeah but there is difference in saying "I don't agree with your politics" and saying hateful crap like that about someone. At some point it becomes counterproductive to vilify your opponents to the extent that most liberals do. There are still people who think GW should be in jail for war crimes for christs sake. You call that reasonable? I don't. Its just someone trying to rationalize their own views by making demons of everyone NOT on their side. simple as that
 
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prometeus said:
maxparrish said:
As you said that they lack the intelligence to know that it is "unfortunate" to be honest, how do you expect them to learn? You can't spout an ad hom insult about their innate inability to know that being honest is unwise, and then sneer they could learn from this.
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Or might your hate of Christians gotten the best of your rational faculties?

As they say some of the best learned lessons are the hard lessons. They again some are just condemned for eternal stupidity, I guess that too is Deus Vult.

Who said anything about hating Christians? I do dislike bigots especially those who would use religion as an excuse. Just so you know, for me bigots are people who act on their irrational dislikes. Ever wonder why the Pope does not condone such bigotry? He must hate Christians too eh?
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Either you are not paying attention, or you having difficulty with vocabulary. You did not say they made the mistake of being honest because they were ignorant, but because they were unintelligent. Ability (intelligence) provides the learning skills and knowledge. You can't spout an ad hom insult about their innate inability to know that being honest is unwise, and then sneer they should have known better and/or that they could learn from this.

Either they were intelligent but did not have the skills or knowledge to know that honesty is the worst policy, or they were unintelligent and cannot be blamed for their ignorance.

And no, the Pope is not anti-christian but should he go over the cliff and issue your kind of comments, I shall reconsider.
 
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disneydude said:
I don't condone threats or violence. That was a miniscule minority involved in that behavior. The bottom line to all of this though is that America stood up and said that in 2015 we will no longer accept bigotry and discrimination against our citizens. The American people forced a change in the law and freedom, honor and dignity won out. Any time one of these attempts raises its head again....America will stand up again.
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It's astonishing anyone could possibly think a miniscule number of people were involved in the threats of violence and other actions that were thrown at the owners of the pizzeria. Perhaps there will come a day when respect for all beliefs will be the order of the day. We are clearly not at that point in time.
 
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prometeus said:
Try a gay bakery and they may ask you for specifics, but unless you are attempting to score a meaningless point for some vagina worshiping cult, I fail to see the relevance.
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So maybe if I ever have a desire for a penis cake I'll search out a gay baker and leave the other ones alone? :shrug: Anyway, the relevance is if baking a cake were just about making food there would be no reason for the baker to deny the request.
 
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Ahlevah said:
So maybe if I ever have a desire for a penis cake I'll search out a gay baker and leave the other ones alone? :shrug: Anyway, the relevance is if baking a cake were just about making food there would be no reason for the baker to deny the request.
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Unless he does not due to lacking artistic skills to make statues...
 
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JoeTrumps said:
yeah but there is difference in saying "I don't agree with your politics" and saying hateful crap like that about someone.
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We are all human and fall victim to our emotions or prejudices at times. All sides do it. One can only hope that it is only occasional.
 
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prometeus said:
You really believe that somehow being a moron and successful are mutually exclusive or that being a moron is monopolized by a particular political position? There are morons on every side and many more who support them, be that financially, with lip service or sexual favors, etc. Pointing out that someone does belong in that category when the indicators are as blatantly obvious as in the case of Rush is just being factual.
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It seems that the morons, or The Stupids" as they are also known, do tend towards a particular political position.Gruber Reflects the Undemocratic Left
 
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Grant said:
No. She said she was happy to serve Gay people but would nt serve at a Gay wedding ceremony. And that was only a hypothetical.

It seems leftists don't need facts or understanding to involve themselves in a baying mob, seeking out anyone who doesn't subscribe to their recently gained opinions
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Refusing to bake pizzas for a gay wedding, is refusing to bake pizza for gay people, what's wrong with you. And advocating the same rights for gay people as everyone else isn't a new opinion, nor is your support for discriminating against gay people new to you.
 
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ocean515 said:
If discrimination is ugly, then stop supporting it. The cataclysmic hypocrisy should be blinding. Why isn't it? Why do troops lie about the facts?

Why not close down the Muslim Bakeries? Why not threaten the livelihood of other people of faith by forcing them to violate their beliefs?

It's obvious what is going on.

So far, it seems people are willing to donate almost a $1 million to prove how much they are sickened by the actions of these terribly misguided people.
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Why do muslim bakeries, what ever that is, need to be closed down?
 
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