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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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So you are saying that that Muslim bakery doesn't make cakes?

Are you saying that the Muslim Deli should be able to make every known sandwich on earth?

We can do this all day long.
 
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wrong, in the free market, the price of goods at equilibrium.
are subject to the laws of supply and demand. when you artificially restrict supply or demand, it is no longer a free market.
The price of goods is reflected in the law of supply and demand. But the free market is based on mutual consent. I have a product I want to sell you, and if you want the product and you like the price you buy it. If I don't want to sell it to you and the government forces me to do so, that isn't the free market, that's tyranny despite any Orwellian doublespeak
 
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The problems here is that these people had to go through the courts to have their basic rights validated when that never should have happened. Most people cannot afford the time or money necessary to challenge these discriminatory practices and just move on.

Just further examples where "The process is the punishment".
 
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I'm confused by that last one, actually. How was the professor able to convince the judge that he was denied a promotion due to his faith? The article doesn't make that clear.
 
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Let me answer that by touching on my own career. If you want a portrait done in a certain style, you shop around by going to different websites and seeing what genres and styles are you can expect if you commission a particular artist. Now, I can always ask him to go outside his comfort zone for me, but I have to expect and be okay with the possibilities that he will not choose to do so (I've turned down a client for this reason myself). But it isn't me he's turning down, but the product I asked him to make. That's what you and everybody else here holding your position have such a terribly difficult time understanding: Discrimination doesn't refer to the product/service being requested, but the identity of the customer doing the requesting.
No it is not the customer, as the pizza owner explained, but the traditional ritual of marriage which is involved. These are two very different things.
 
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Although you and I come from across a wide aisle in our politics, even you and I can agree that there are people who's consciences are better left unfollowed.
Such as?
 
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OK for this time, and this time only, I will do your work for you.

At 2:13

Not especially cleverly edited. If the baker had said outright, "We're not serving you because you're gay," they absolutely would have included it. Therefore, the baker was telling the customer where he thought he would stand a better chance of getting the product he wanted.


...and again...


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...and again...(wait, didn't we cover this guy already?)


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All refused him a cake and sent him somewhere else.

Because of the cake he wanted from them, not because he was gay.

That last guy wouldn't even write anything on top of a cake, he just didn't want to.

Did you really not see any of that?

I saw it, and saw that a troll video doesn't support your position.
 
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Oh ffs does it really tax your imagination to think that you and I could both agree on a type of person being objectively terrible?
 
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No it is not the customer, as the pizza owner explained, but the traditional ritual of marriage which is involved. These are two very different things.

In your mind that is the important thing, perhaps, but it isn't relevant to the meaning of discrimination.
 
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The problems here is that these people had to go through the courts to have their basic rights validated when that never should have happened. Most people cannot afford the time or money necessary to challenge these discriminatory practices and just move on.

Just further examples where "The process is the punishment".

How terrible that people have to go to court to show they have been discriminated against if they want compensation or wrongs made right. I mean, nobody else has to do that. Just Christians. Yep! :lol:
 
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Not especially cleverly edited. If the baker had said outright, "We're not serving you because you're gay," they absolutely would have included it. Therefore, the baker was telling the customer where he thought he would stand a better chance of getting the product he wanted.



...and again...



...and again...



...and again...(wait, didn't we cover this guy already?)



...aaaaaand again...



Because of the cake he wanted from them, not because he was gay.



I saw it, and saw that a troll video doesn't support your position.

So what other reason would a bakery not want to sell their product to this customer?
 
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How terrible that people have to go to court to show they have been discriminated against if they want compensation or wrongs made right. I mean, nobody else has to do that. Just Christians. Yep! :lol:

Verily, Christians in the 21st century are the first human beings to experience such inconveniences.
 
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So what other reason would a bakery not want to sell their product to this customer?

I find your tactic of acting deliberately obtuse boring. Go troll someone else if that's how you want to play it.
 
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Verily, Christians in the 21st century are the first human beings to experience such inconveniences.

Crazy isn't it? That you have to take someone to court in order to prove you were discriminated against? It should just be a matter of yelling it out loud and people forking over money.
 
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Crazy isn't it? That you have to take someone to court in order to prove you were discriminated again? It should just be a matter of yelling it out loud and people forking over money.

That's how it worked out for black people in the sixties, right?
 
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That's how it worked out for black people in the sixties, right?

Obviously, going to court and getting laws passed was too inconvenient.
 
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Obviously, going to court and getting laws passed was too inconvenient.

See, that's what I always thought every time I read about that thing with Rosa Parks or watched the crowds of protesters get blasted by fire hoses and have dogs set on them: why didn't the rest of the black community just send them millions of dollars?
 
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How terrible that people have to go to court to show they have been discriminated against if they want compensation or wrongs made right. I mean, nobody else has to do that. Just Christians. Yep! :lol:

I appreciate the irony of it all. Christianity is all about martyrdom, but the extremists always complain about being made martyrs themselves through their own doing.
 
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How terrible that people have to go to court to show they have been discriminated against if they want compensation or wrongs made right. I mean, nobody else has to do that. Just Christians. Yep! :lol:
I don't know where you got that idea but many people have had to go to court to protect their right to free speech, for example, or right to protest, or right of assembly. Religion mattered in the cases you cited but rights have always involved more than just Christians.

Your focus on Christians rather misses the point.
 
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See, that's what I always thought every time I read about that thing with Rosa Parks or watched the crowds of protesters get blasted by fire hoses and have dogs set on them: why didn't the rest of the black community just send them millions of dollars?

They were too busy letting the market work it all out. :lol:
 
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I don't know where you got that idea but many people have had to go to court to protect their right to free speech, for example, or right to protest, or right of assembly. Religion mattered in the cases you cited but rights have always involved more than just Christians.

Your focus on Christians rather misses the point.

Your inability to comprehend what you're reading never ceases to amaze me. Yes Grant, people go to court to ensure that their rights aren't being violated. Lutherf believes someone who discriminates against a Christian would get off scott free. We know that the only way that happens is if a person decided to ignore the incident and "move on".
 
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In your mind that is the important thing, perhaps, but it isn't relevant to the meaning of discrimination.
In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.
 
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I appreciate the irony of it all. Christianity is all about martyrdom, but the extremists always complain about being made martyrs themselves through their own doing.

And it is an extremist indeed that adheres to the demands of her conscience and won't participate in a pagan rite.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.

Does a catering service need to believe in gay marriage in order to provide catering at a gay wedding?
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.

Yes, in your mind. If you're a caterer you're not being asked to "take part in," "approve of" or "condone" a gay marriage. You're being asked to cater food which, if it is a service you offer to other customers, then you should be able to offer them.
 
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