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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Your assertion that no law forces businesses to serve anyone is nonsense.

You are being dishonest.

prometeus never made such an assertion. What he said was
BS. No law has ever forced anyone to serve anyone else. People take it on themselves to serve others when they open a business that is open to the public. It they want to exercise bigotry they are free to do so and there are ways to do it, just not in a business open to the public.
 
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I am curious. Say if you worked for company ABC Inc. as on of their executives and all of a sudden ABC Inc. declared support for gay marriage and gave large donations to make it legal everywhere. Would you quit your job?

Why would I do that? I don't have a problem with gay marriage.
 
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Why are you splitting hairs with this. She said she wouldn't bake a pizza for gay people. What's the difference if its in house, or her catering service, hmm?
The wedding! She feels marriage is between a man and a woman, just as all Presidents have declared.

This is basic to the whole debate and you still don't get it?
 
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I'm talking about bigoted christians in general. They do have much more in common with the taliban who hatez the gheys.

As far as the people who protested - that's what the right wingers who hate PA laws *say* should happen, let the free market decide when people discriminate.

The few idiots who made threats should be dealt with and prosecuted if they broke the law with their tweets.

There are always a few assholes in every group, by far and wide the people protesting the bigotry and calling for boycotts were lawfully and reasonably doing just what we are told is the rightful reaction to people who discriminate on the basis of race, sex, creed, ethnicity, etc...absent PA laws.

Embrace the free market, Blemmy. It werks.

Do you really not know how to spell simple words or are you doing that on purpose for some reason?
 
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What if there were a radical religious group that said their beliefs required them to ritually sacrifice christian children on a nightly basis. Would you be so adamant to defend their views and so forth? Where do you draw the line ?
More hypothetical nonsense. One Gay spokesman compared this young woman to the KKK, despite many others, including American Presidents, believing marriage was between a man and a woman. Now to voice that opinion means public harassment and your livelihood gone.

This also happened to the CEO of Mozilla in California when his voting history was exposed. This is Gestapo like tactics and it's great to see people responding against this mob mentality.
 
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Storm troops and agendas? Refusing to cater an event because some of the people have a sexual orientation that is cross with your beliefs, not facts mind you, leaves us all vulnerable. I don't want anybody doing anything for me, or refusing to do anything for me because the flying spaghetti god told them to. Discrimination is ugly, and we've been fighting and dying to overcome it at least since the civil war here in America, and we're not going to stop. In the end, no business is going to deny anybody service based on their race, their gender or their sexual orientation, neither of which are choices, and reason will prevail over this ugliness, you'll see.

If discrimination is ugly, then stop supporting it. The cataclysmic hypocrisy should be blinding. Why isn't it? Why do troops lie about the facts?

Why not close down the Muslim Bakeries? Why not threaten the livelihood of other people of faith by forcing them to violate their beliefs?

It's obvious what is going on.

So far, it seems people are willing to donate almost a $1 million to prove how much they are sickened by the actions of these terribly misguided people.
 
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The wedding! She feels marriage is between a man and a woman, just as all Presidents have declared.

This is basic to the whole debate and you still don't get it?
What difference does it make.

If the gay couple walks into the pizza shop and orders 50 pizzas "to go" is that ok?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall"? Does that violate their religion?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall" for their gay wedding?

Why is it ok for their "religion" on one hand and not on the other if the underlying reason for the 50 pizzas are the same?

Either way...they are supplying pizza.
 
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If discrimination is ugly, then stop supporting it. The cataclysmic hypocrisy should be blinding. Why isn't it? Why do troops lie about the facts?

Why not close down the Muslim Bakeries? Why not threaten the livelihood of other people of faith by forcing them to violate their beliefs?


It's obvious what is going on.

So far, it seems people are willing to donate almost a $1 million to prove how much they are sickened by the actions of these terribly misguided people.


A million dollars is a small price to pay to ensure that all people are treated fairly and without discrimination.
 
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What difference does it make.

If the gay couple walks into the pizza shop and orders 50 pizzas "to go" is that ok?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall"? Does that violate their religion?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall" for their gay wedding?

Why is it ok for their "religion" on one hand and not on the other if the underlying reason for the 50 pizzas are the same?

Either way...they are supplying pizza.

Man, you mob mentality people just have to stick with hypotheticals because anything relating to actual events or facts just goes right over your addled little heads.
 
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So, in your world, not baking a cake for a gay wedding is equivalent to murder?

And what should be done to the owners of these bakeries?



Where are the gay activists protesting in front of those bakeries?

Why haven't any of those been shut down?
 
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Where are the gay activists protesting in front of those bakeries?

Why haven't any of those been shut down?

If gay activists aren't protesting that bakery, it's because that's a troll video made by religious conservatives for the entertainment of other religious conservatives. It deliberately misrepresents the issue.
 
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What difference does it make.

If the gay couple walks into the pizza shop and orders 50 pizzas "to go" is that ok?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall"? Does that violate their religion?

What if they call in and say they need 50 pizzas delivered to "Happiness Wedding Hall" for their gay wedding?

Why is it ok for their "religion" on one hand and not on the other if the underlying reason for the 50 pizzas are the same?

Either way...they are supplying pizza.

We have all been to catered events. The food is not just dropped off. In a catered event the staff of the restaurant stays and serves the food and that is what these people said they would not want to be a part of.

If, as you say, somebody came in and ordered 50 pizzas, she would make them, just as she said.
 
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If gay activists aren't protesting that bakery, it's because that's a troll video made by religious conservatives for the entertainment of other religious conservatives. It deliberately misrepresents the issue.

They didn't misrepresent anything.

Those owners on the video refused to make him a cake because he was gay.

Why no outrage about that, real or not.

With this pizza place, the place was **** down for a couple of words, not for any service being refused.
 
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A million dollars is a small price to pay to ensure that all people are treated fairly and without discrimination.

$1 million dollars sends a message there are many who respect a people have a right to their faith against those who would destroy them for it.

History has recorded this type of attack over and over again. It's good to see there are many who recognize it for what it is and are doing something about it.
 
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They didn't misrepresent anything.

Those owners on the video refused to make him a cake because he was gay.

Why no outrage about that, real or not.

With this pizza place, the place was **** down for a couple of words, not for any service being refused.

No. They refused to make him a specialized cake that they don't normally make. They did not refuse him service on the basis of him being gay. Find a video of a Christian being denied service by a gay vendor, just for being Christian, and you'd have a valid comparison.
 
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If gay activists aren't protesting that bakery, it's because that's a troll video made by religious conservatives for the entertainment of other religious conservatives. It deliberately misrepresents the issue.
A troll video??? It speaks to the heart of the matter, and very well. If you have any issues with what was said why not point them out?

I happen to be open to Gay marriage but that would never override my concern for the freedom of the individual to follow their own conscience. That's what the Islamic bakers are doing, and that is their right.
 
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$1 million dollars sends a message there are many who respect a people have a right to their faith against those who would destroy them for it.

History has recorded this type of attack over and over again. It's good to see there are many who recognize it for what it is and are doing something about it.

And the Indiana's legislatures passage of a revision that, for the first time in the states history, protects LGBT's from discrimination sends the message that the people of Indiana reject the perverted and morality of the bigoted right wing and their reprehensible notion of "freedom"
 
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Where are the gay activists protesting in front of those bakeries?

Why haven't any of those been shut down?
It doesn't fit in with their anti Christian agenda.
 
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A troll video??? It speaks to the heart of the matter, and very well. If you have any issues with what was said why not point them out?

I happen to be open to Gay marriage but that would never override my concern for the freedom of the individual to follow their own conscience. That's what the Islamic bakers are doing, and that is their right.

Yes, I already explained why it was a troll video.
 
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It doesn't fit in with their anti Christian agenda.

We (secularists) are perfectly fine with you being Christian. In fact, we even don't make a fuss about you essentially having your own America in the form of churches, where you get to not pay taxes and you get to discriminate all you want. We don't even make a big deal of the fact that nobody can be President if they're not Christian. You've got it pretty good.
 
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And the Indiana's legislatures passage of a revision that, for the first time in the states history, protects LGBT's from discrimination sends the message that the people of Indiana reject the perverted and morality of the bigoted right wing and their reprehensible notion of "freedom"

So says those who would seek to destroy anyone who refuses to kiss the ring of hypocrisy and intolerance.

To the tune of $847 thousand dollars, strangers appear to have assigned these people to their proper position alongside similar groups in mans history who's vile atrocities have been well documented.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

And the Indiana's legislatures passage of a revision that, for the first time in the states history, protects LGBT's from discrimination sends the message that the people of Indiana reject the perverted and morality of the bigoted right wing and their reprehensible notion of "freedom"

Wasn't it you who said this?
Posted by Sangha: Some people hate the niggers more than they distrust the govt.
And you actually, without evidence, speak to the "morality of the bigoted right wing and their reprehensible notion of "freedom"???
 
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Dont be foolish. There are more than a few that weep and wail and gnash their teeth at any and everyone that dares to not cave and capitulate and if you think there arent a large number assigning their hatred to ALL Christians...you arent reading threads on this site very closely.

OK, there are more than a few Christians that weep and wail and gnash their teeth at the thought of SSM or gay rights, or having to...GASP!!!!.... serve at their weddings. There is a large audience for anti-homosexual Bryan Fisher who has said we ought to treat homosexuality like drug addiction - forced treatment and if that doesn't work incarceration or more forced treatment. Conservative political candidates routinely kiss his ring and appeal to that audience by appearing in friendly chats on his show. Etc.

And if you think there aren't a large number assigning their hatred to ALL gays, you've not been paying attention.

Etc.
 
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Here is a clue in order to avoid making stupid comparisons. Introducing an illegal activity as a comparison is always a failure.

I didn't realize that having a party was against the law. Because I said nothing about anything illegal going on at that party.

But I understand why you insinuated that there was, because whenever morality is introduced into the discussion, it makes it very difficult for your position to sound rational.
 
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So says those who would seek to destroy anyone who refuses to kiss the ring of hypocrisy and intolerance.

To the tune of $847 thousand dollars, strangers appear to have assigned these people to their proper position alongside similar groups in mans history who's vile atrocities have been well documented.

Your side won one family a lot of money. Our side won legislation that, for the first time in Indiana's history, protects LGBT's from discrimination.

You're not the first person to mistakenly think they're winning
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