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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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These guys have to stop listening to that bulbous toad Limbaugh!. Don't they know that he's called 'Oxycontin Rush' for a reason?

yeah, and Socrates diddled little boys. Should I throw away The Republic genius?
 
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Liberal's main argument: gay marriage doesn't effect you.

go tell it to this pizza guy who has been physically threatened and had to shut his business down. THAT'S how gay marriage effected him.
and what if next week a jewish kosher deli refuses to cater a gay wedding and THEY are run out of town. Aren't THEY effected by gay marriage.

just proves my point about liberal arguments: they are all disposable after they get what they want
 
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The Apostle, Paul said to man, "You can't live a life of celibacy it's better that you marry." So, even he knew that not all men can live a life alone without intimacy. Of course, in his day he was referring to men marrying women not man marrying man or woman marrying woman. Still from a moral standpoint we can ask all gays and lesbians to abstain (repent) from this immoral (sinful) behavior, but it's highly doubtful those who live such a lifestyle will "keep it in the closet" throughout their lives. And you really can't expect them to.

Man is a social creature. We need to be around others. We need intimacy. It's just how we're built. The hope is that "man will leave his father and his mother's house, cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh," but sometimes that just doesn't happen...well, at least not in the way it was intended.

I appreciate the response. I think that's a good basis for understanding if not acceptance, which is really all we should expect of each other on matters involving religion.

In that spirit, what is relevant to a discussion on DP (as opposed to a Christianity forum) is the public policy response, and on that basis it seems to be unreasonable to ask that gays abstain from intimacy. First of all, any policy that expects that or demands it will fail because as you say, we are social creatures and loving and being loved would rank right behind water, food and shelter as the basics of a decent existence. So public policy should recognize that as a starting point, and when we do I don't see a downside to encouraging committed, monogamous, relationships. It costs my marriage nothing - it's a freebie, win-win, more happiness for those allowed to marry, no loss of happiness for anyone else. Bob and Frank marrying has the same effect on me as Newt's third marriage, and second to a mistress - nothing at all.
 
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Actually, in all nations. It doesn't mean that government cannot act outside those interests, it's just that government force that does not uphold the rights and liberties of its people is illegitimate.

It's a concept authoritarians cannot understand.

It's a concept they are pretty able to understand, but unwilling to accept.
 
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Except the right of the people to form a govt of their own choosing.

How is your libertarians are totalitarian premise coming along? That was fun.
 
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The only authoritarian concept you've raised is the notion that the people are not allowed to form the govt they choose to form.

Libertarianism = the freedom to do what libertarians say you can do

That is the dumbest premise ever.
 
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An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday...
After making more tax-free money in a week than their taxed income for the year would have been [emoji38]
 
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yeah, and Socrates diddled little boys. Should I throw away The Republic genius?

Comparing Socrates to the fat, disgusting lump of lard Limbaugh.:lamo

Best laugh I've had on this forum in a while.
 
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Liberal's main argument: gay marriage doesn't effect you.

go tell it to this pizza guy who has been physically threatened and had to shut his business down. THAT'S how gay marriage effected him.
and what if next week a jewish kosher deli refuses to cater a gay wedding and THEY are run out of town. Aren't THEY effected by gay marriage.

just proves my point about liberal arguments: they are all disposable after they get what they want

I really feel for that poor Pizza guy. Maybe next time he'll keep his bigotry to himself. You can say whatever you want - just don't start whining when you suffer the consequences.

And you just proved my point about almost every conservative in the world. Nothing trumps property rights.
 
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Comparing Socrates to the fat, disgusting lump of lard Limbaugh.:lamo

Best laugh I've had on this forum in a while.

respected minds are also fallible human beings was my point. but keep name calling till you're blue in the face if it somehow validates your bs ideals
 
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I really feel for that poor Pizza guy. Maybe next time he'll keep his bigotry to himself. You can say whatever you want - just don't start whining when you suffer the consequences.

wow. in 10 years we went from a passive gay rights community to the Gay Gestapo. listen to yourself.
 
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wow. in 10 years we went from a passive gay rights community to the Gay Gestapo. listen to yourself.

Especially all those CEOs who donate heavily to GOP candidates.

While the odds on Gov. Kasich have dropped from 75/1 to 50/1 since this started and he's the only one not to step on his tongue--and then etch-a-sketch .
 
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What is "old news", as prescribed by the White House that would mean anything more than a hour old and is detrimental to the reputation of the rock star occupant.

Agreed, and it includes any who's reputation could suffer thereby implicating Obama by association. So Harry Reid gets a pass for lying directly out of his ass.

You have a point, but so do the other side, to a degree. You and I are alike, I am Christian and my best friend tells me to mind my own business and make sure I am right with him, what is right with others is no concern of mine. If gays are sinners, he's sitting there with them and me, because Lord, I am a sinner....and will likely never not be in this world.

Waaaay too many Christians lose sight of the above truth.

Having said that, the Bible thumping scam artists on TV and radio, the fat cat preachers with their own universities who claim to know God's specific role in every political issue, are pretty close to what you refer. How many of these turds have railed at homosexuality, calling it a "curse" and a "disease" only to be arrested in a men's washroom? That does not help this Christian at all.

Agreed. We, as humans, know next to nothing and much of what we do know is worthless. Pretending to know that which we cannot does not advance Christianity. In fact, it does untold harm. Attributing every violent act of nature to God's punishment just drives me crazy, as does the spiritual condemnation of sinners.

We have no right to condemn anyone, Jesus forgives, he gets to chose who is forgiven for what, and we need to always remember that...

We are cautioned against such judgement.

But the point is exacting. The left, because it is now popular under Obama, can forgive atrocities but not a young woman who gets led into a verbal trap by a predatory TV personality wannabe

It looks to me like an Inquisition whereby we must remove your entrails in order to determine your innocence or guilt. I understand a large amount of money has been donated to the restaurant, and I sincerely hope that the would be arsonists and the other militants understand they don't control what they think they do.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Liberal's main argument: gay marriage doesn't effect you.

go tell it to this pizza guy who has been physically threatened and had to shut his business down. THAT'S how gay marriage effected him.
and what if next week a jewish kosher deli refuses to cater a gay wedding and THEY are run out of town. Aren't THEY effected by gay marriage.

just proves my point about liberal arguments: they are all disposable after they get what they want
That is one of the most stupid lines of reasoning I saw in quite some time on this board.
 
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You may want to familiarize yourself with Plato, genius...

yes, socrates never wrote anything down so plato wrote it for him. what does that make him other than the worlds best secretary....genius
 
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That is one of the most stupid lines of reasoning I saw in quite some time on this board.

so your argument against it should be simple. what is it exactly? this is a debate forum, not an "I'm so smart I don't have to debate" forum....genius
 
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Indentured servitude isn't slavery.

Indentured servants or slavery...neither is good.


"Treatment of indentured servants differed greatly from one master to another. In some areas, slaves were treated more humanely because they were regarded as lifetime investments, while the servant would be gone in a few years. The length of servitude could legally be lengthened in cases of bad behavior, especially for those workers who ran away or became pregnant.

~~Snip~~

One variant of this labor system was the use of "enforced servitude." Vagrants, war prisoners, and minor criminals were shipped to America by English authorities, then sold into bondage.

~~Snip~~

The servants of this era were often uneducated and could be cheated by unscrupulous masters, who could forge new contracts with terms more favorable to themselves."

Indentured Servitude

There's a lot of history where indentured servants were treated less than slaves. Slaves were cash cows over the span of their lives. "SUPPOSEDLY" indentured servants were only for 5 to 7 years. Consequently, slaves were more valuable over the long haul.

And a lot of people exploited Indentured Servants by changing their agreements and the servants could never pay off their debts - so essentially they were slaves.
 
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Agreed, and it includes any who's reputation could suffer thereby implicating Obama by association. So Harry Reid gets a pass for lying directly out of his ass.



Waaaay too many Christians lose sight of the above truth.



Agreed. We, as humans, know next to nothing and much of what we do know is worthless. Pretending to know that which we cannot does not advance Christianity. In fact, it does untold harm. Attributing every violent act of nature to God's punishment just drives me crazy, as does the spiritual condemnation of sinners.



We are cautioned against such judgement.



It looks to me like an Inquisition whereby we must remove your entrails in order to determine your innocence or guilt. I understand a large amount of money has been donated to the restaurant, and I sincerely hope that the would be arsonists and the other militants understand they don't control what they think they do.


The personality of God......

A wise scholar once said to me "God created us in his own image, and we immediately returned the favor." How we limit God, make him smaller, human and "mistake" prone "why does God allow evil? He is so cruel."

We forget we are the evil, if He were to get rid of all sinners, you and I are screwed, and I'm not sure about you. God does not punish, that is a quality of man, "revenge is mine, says the Lord" means no. What bothers me most is that the Bible is taken literally in all cases as "the word of God" and somehow this is law. There are only ten handed down by God, the rest is man made, circumcision is a man made rite like Holy Communion, stuff we invent to make us feel more holy.

But Jesus forgave his disciples as he handed them his blood and his wine, said nothing about priests, and later mischievously and lovingly toyed with Peter after the latter had denied him three times. There was no "You're dead meat now Pete" in there but a mysterious "Feed my sheep".

We get God wrong a lot, all of us, in history and in the Bible, a lot of those verses calling for war are not words spoken by God, but spoken of God by a desperate people with no land of their own and enemies on all sides. It has taken a thousand years to get some of the Church out of the middle ages mind set, some still have to have priests in women's clothes and statues dripping with blood. The truth is we need none of it, and we should know that.

So it we can't agree or even get right how to love this guy, how in the world can anyone ever be sure they know what is God's plan?
 
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The Apostle, Paul said to man, "You can't live a life of celibacy it's better that you marry." So, even he knew that not all men can live a life alone without intimacy. Of course, in his day he was referring to men marrying women not man marrying man or woman marrying woman. Still from a moral standpoint we can ask all gays and lesbians to abstain (repent) from this immoral (sinful) behavior, but it's highly doubtful those who live such a lifestyle will "keep it in the closet" throughout their lives. And you really can't expect them to.

Man is a social creature. We need to be around others. We need intimacy. It's just how we're built. The hope is that "man will leave his father and his mother's house, cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh," but sometimes that just doesn't happen...well, at least not in the way it was intended.



I have posed this question to Paulean moralists....

Which is worse in the eyes of God, a man and a woman living together as man and wife and not married, adultery, or gay a gay marriage, where two people have made a spiritual commitment to God?

Most smart theologians will say both are equally ugly under God.

So, then my question is "what happens then to all those priests in the middle ages who had "housekeepers" and fathered bastard children? Surnames like "Church", "Priest", "Priestly" are said to originate from that practice which went on from the fall of Rome to the enlightenment.
 
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Idiotic analogy

Assault is illegal. SSM is not.

Not anymore
It isn't about the legality, it's about the morality. The pizza shop owner never said he wouldn't cater a same sex wedding because same sex marriages are illegal
 
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Really? I'd say not giving a **** about it was weird.


yeah.. really... it's 2015, not 1865.... you can care about it without being obsessed and bringing it up in every topic.
 
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