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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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Kal'Stang said:
And I spoke out against the state governments banning SSM. And yes, I'm now defending these religious folks. Why? Because Rights are there to protect those things that everyone else finds distasteful. Rights are not there to protect things that everyone agrees with.

And no. You are either being oppressed or you are not. One of the few things in which there is no grey area.
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Well let me clarify with an example then. There was a big deal made when the funeral of a gay guy had to be moved *on the same day* from a church that seated 400, to a building with about 100. The other mourners who had gathered were screwed. This is because some in the church decided to blackmail the priest at the last minute.

Now, i'm sure you can see the extreme inconvenience this caused, even though the funeral did take place in the end. This is still oppression - "the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control."

Let's say a gay couple actually wanted this **** pizza place to cater their wedding and were refused. That is unjust treatment, regardless what else happens with the wedding
 
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chromium said:
Well let me clarify with an example then. There was a big deal made when the funeral of a gay guy had to be moved *on the same day* from a church that seated 400, to a building with about 100. The other mourners who had gathered were screwed. This is because some in the church decided to blackmail the priest at the last minute.

Now, i'm sure you can see the extreme inconvenience this caused, even though the funeral did take place in the end. This is still oppression - "the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control."
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I'd need to know more to decide if it was actually unjust or not. Why did the church "blackmail" (if that's truly what happened) the priest? What was the reason for moving the funeral?

chromium said:
Let's say a gay couple actually wanted this **** pizza place to cater their wedding and were refused. That is unjust treatment, regardless what else happens with the wedding
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What is more unjust? Forcing people who own a business (which is their right) into servitude or a slight inconvenience of having to find another caterer that would probably give better service than someone that is being forced?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I'd need to know more to decide if it was actually unjust or not. Why did the church "blackmail" (if that's truly what happened) the priest? What was the reason for moving the funeral?
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dude you have to be kidding. If you think it's somehow debatable that cancelling a funeral at the last minute is unjust...we really are never going to see eye to eye on this
 
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chromium said:
dude you have to be kidding. If you think it's somehow debatable that cancelling a funeral at the last minute is unjust...we really are never going to see eye to eye on this
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There are many reasons to cancel and move a funeral. For ex: Gas leak. or scheduling conflict accidentally made. Valid reasons.
 
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JasperL said:
Doesn't take Columbo to figure that out. It's well funded and vocal "Christian" groups in the political arena lobbing the incendiary bombs at the gay community, so that's who gets the return fire.
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Thats quite simply a lie. You dont see Christian groups going on crusades against homosexuals.You DO see Christian groups responding to the incessant attacks by bitter angry hate filled intolerant small little people.

Gay marriage has not been legal since this country was formed. Most people have believed and still do believe homosexuality is 'wrong' (including the current occupant of the WH). Most people arent running around venting hatred against homosexuals. Most arent launching diatribes and personal attacks. The same cant be said of a large number of people in the gay community.

We see it here on this site.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
There are many reasons to cancel and move a funeral. For ex: Gas leak. or scheduling conflict accidentally made. Valid reasons.
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lol that is not what happened and they couldn't even pretend so. The parishioners saw the funeral notice in the paper and objected, and the priest cancelled it on the day before the funeral. Some mourners didn't know until they got there and found it closed.

oh and here, this should sound familiar to you, kinda like the bigot pizza owners: ""I don't hate gay people," Pastor T.W. Jenkins of New Hope Missionary Baptist Church told Tampa TV station


no doesn't hate them, just ****s them over at every opportunity and deprives them of basic dignity:

"Atwood said getting the call about the cancellation was "devastating. I did feel like he was being denied the dignity of death."

Pastor Who Canceled Gay Man's Funeral Regrets Nothing | Advocate.com
 
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VanceMack said:
Thats quite simply a lie. You dont see Christian groups going on crusades against homosexuals..
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LMAO Defend marriage, reparative therapy works ohhhh rah!
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Catering is about more than just selling food.
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Maybe if it is a high end catering service, but we are talking about a pizzeria, not a catering company. I doubt they will make a specialized meal to be prepared onsite. Because for that people do not hire pizza places but actual catering services.
 
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chromium said:
lol that is not what happened and they couldn't even pretend so. The parishioners saw the funeral notice in the paper and objected, and the priest cancelled it on the day before the funeral. Some mourners didn't know until they got there and found it closed.

oh and here, this should sound familiar to you, kinda like the bigot pizza owners: ""I don't hate gay people," Pastor T.W. Jenkins of New Hope Missionary Baptist Church told Tampa TV station


no doesn't hate them, just ****s them over at every opportunity and deprives them of basic dignity:

"Atwood said getting the call about the cancellation was "devastating. I did feel like he was being denied the dignity of death."

Pastor Who Canceled Gay Man's Funeral Regrets Nothing | Advocate.com
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Yeah, had a feeling that there was more to this than you were letting on. Which is why I played dumb. ;) No, what this pastor did was not unjust. It was wrong, but not unjust. He has a base which he must pander to and keep happy. Just like any other business that fires someone over comments made in order to save their own base.
 
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SMTA said:
Not a damn thing about gays at all.

I have never heard of anybody having a wedding catered with pizza.

The words 'pizza' and 'catering' are mutually exclusive.

It was a pathetic attempt by moronic pizza shop owners to pander to Christians to increase their business, which blew up in their face.

I'll bet that they even set up their own GoFundMe page, or had a friend do it.

Lying, hypocritical morons.
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They were asked the hypothetical by a reporter. They said they wouldn't cater a gay wedding, that's all it was. Never said they wouldn't serve them pizza in their store. For that they were running out of business.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Yeah, had a feeling that there was more to this than you were letting on. Which is why I played dumb. ;) No, what this pastor did was not unjust. It was wrong, but not unjust. He has a base which he must pander to and keep happy. Just like any other business that fires someone over comments made in order to save their own base.
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ridiculous, $ justifies anything

change your lean to "libertarian" at least so i'll know to not bother in the future
 
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chromium said:
ridiculous, $ justifies anything

change your lean to "libertarian" at least so i'll know to not bother in the future
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It usually best for people like us to not comment on the declared lean of others.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I won't call you crazy - perhaps, misguided - but I respect people of faith and their belief system - I just don't believe it should adversely impact the lives of others.

And are you so sure in your beliefs that you're totally confident that you know your God's will and plan?
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Asks the Devil....;)
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Only from your point of view.
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Wrong. It's not an endorsement. Never has been.

A business selling a product it stocks to a customer has never been considered an endorsement of what the customer does with the product after it is purchased.

This does nothing to address what I stated.
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You were the one who brought up irrelevant schools.

You were saying?
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Did I stutter?

Your link talks about the newlyweds cutting the cake and feeding it to each other. I must have missed the part where the talk about catering.

And the baker doesn't cut it and feed it to the newlyweds. And it's a cake, not a pizza.

You've gone from pizza, to catering, to caterers, to caterers sometimes supply cakes to "that means the pizza is religiously significant"

Do you really believe this somehow means catering a pizza makes it a religious practice?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
BS. The government constantly tries to pass laws that violate the Constitution and SCOTUS has upheld many as Constitutional yet later on held them unconstitutional. It amazes me that someone could make the kind of statement that you did here and still keep a straight face.
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I have trouble believing you actually believe they don't. It's been more than 50 years since the govt has been banning discrimination.

You have not presented any argument that shows the govt can't ban discrimination other than "They can't do that" while I have referred to the numerous laws which have withstood court challenges. Even the wingnut christians who want to discriminate aren't claiming that the govt doesn't have the power to ban discrimination against gays - they're only arguing that they should have a religious exemption from that ban.

If they believed as you do, they wouldn't have a passed a law granting an exemption for the religious; They would have filed a court case.
 
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Wiggen said:
Apparently freedom of religion now includes the right to decline to serve pizzas to people you don't like. Bet Jefferson never thought of that one.
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They said they'd serve anyone. just didn't want to participate in catering an event.


Jefferson was about individual liberty so he probably disagrees with you on just about...... everything.
 
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Thrilla said:
It's a possibility, I suppose... but there's been no evidence of such collusion.

it's a bit odd that so many lefties started bringing up this theory .. nearly in unison.
that's usually indicative of talking points being thrown out by some ideologically bent outlet.
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I came up with it. it was kinda funny, now all these liberals are running with it.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Actually wedding cakes have been a part of weddings since at least the Roman Empire.



What is it that sangha says? "the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in." You can't have it both ways.
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He is not me, and the govt handing out bibles at a public school to children is an entirely different thing than selling a pizza.

The lengths you are going to find something analogous to support the claim that catering is an endorsement goes to show just how tenous a grip on reality that argument has.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
What is more unjust? Forcing people who own a business (which is their right) into servitude or a slight inconvenience of having to find another caterer that would probably give better service than someone that is being forced?
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Last time I checked, slaves weren't allowed to open their own business, nor were they free to quit if they didn't like what the job required.

There is no servitude.
 
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Deuce said:
Uhh, what? Are you suggesting public accommodation laws mean gay people and black people control the universe?
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It means that some people assume ownership of others' labor and property. Duh.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I knew it would come to this...You give they gay community a foot and they want a mile.
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You are absolutely right NP - How dare those blacks demand to sit next to us and eat at our white lunch counters. You think they would be happy sitting in the back with their own kind. You give them a foot and they want a mile. Disgusting.
 
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