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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Yep. People engage in all forms of discrimination. I think the group has talked about that in the past.

Sorry but I don't know who 'people' or 'the group' is in that comment.

I'm not quite sure what your point is. If it's that if we accept "discrimination" in some cases then banning any "discrimination" is illegitimate, I don't buy it. The law reflects our amazing ability as human beings to deal with concepts that aren't black and white and so attempts to find an acceptable compromise between competing goals and rights.

And I don't see how gay cruises/gay resorts fit into this unless you have some examples to talk about.
 
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And I've explained how discriminating against letting a business discriminate can also affect commerce. Its a 6 to 1 and half a dozen to the other type situation.

And I explained that the govt doesn't have to exercise a power it has, and how that decision is made through the political process.

I also invited you to start of movement to have a law passed that prohibits shoppers from discriminating or participating in boycotts. I'll even wish you luck.
 
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I did everything but cook.

Caterers don't do anything of religious significance nor anything that is significantly different than serving someone at a restaurant.

But I'll repeat that you're free to explain the religious significance of catering, complete with biblical quotations.

Willingly catering a gay wedding which goes against God precepts of a marriage being only between a man and a woman is the same as endorsing that wedding. Just like a school that allows people not affiliated with the school or works at the school to hand out Bibles or Korans or <insert religious text here> for free on school property is considered as the government endorsing religion.

And by the by...last I knew caterers also provide wedding cakes. To a religious person that is one of the main symbols of a religious ceremony.
 
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And I explained that the govt doesn't have to exercise a power it has, and how that decision is made through the political process.

I also invited you to start of movement to have a law passed that prohibits shoppers from discriminating or participating in boycotts. I'll even wish you luck.

The government does not have the power to force people into servicing other people. Even with the commerce clause being misinterpreted the way it has been.
 
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Willingly catering a gay wedding which goes against God precepts of a marriage being only between a man and a woman is the same as endorsing that wedding.

NO, it's not an endorsement. Restaurants and caterers serve all sorts of people. It is not an endorsement of anything they do just as the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in.

Just like a school that allows people not affiliated with the school or works at the school to hand out Bibles or Korans or <insert religious text here> for free on school property is considered as the government endorsing religion.

A public school is not a commercial enterprise, and we're talking about adults getting married, not schoolchildren in school.

And by the by...last I knew caterers also provide wedding cakes. To a religious person that is one of the main symbols of a religious ceremony.

No, the cake is of no religious significance.
 
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"regularly sanctioned discrimination"??? You say that as if it's A Bad Thing.

"regularly sanctioned discrimination" happens all the time. Today, I discriminated against chocolate ice by buying some strawberry ice cream. Sorry, chocolate!!

But those sorts of choices do not harm commerce. The type of discrimination these christian bigots want to practice does.
Really? Please...do tell how it 'harms commerce'...
 
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The government does not have the power to force people into servicing other people. Even with the commerce clause being misinterpreted the way it has been.

The govt most certainly does. This has been affirmed in a multitude of lawsuits.

It it weren't true, then this law would never have been proposed, let alone passed.
 
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I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now it looks like not selling pizzas to gay weddings is working out pretty good for them.

$200 thousand from GoFundMe is nothing to sneeze at, eh?
Really? You have great disdain for people that say 'I'll serve anyone that walks in our store but I wont cater a gay wedding" but you havent got the balls to condemn threatened violence?

Thats so...well...expected.
 
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Once the ships is 12 miles off the coast of the US, US laws do not apply. The casinos open up. On some cruise lines 18 YO can drink. Etc.
So no harm, no foul, as long as it is 'legal'?
 
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With 30 years experience in the food services industry, I'm pretty sure I do.

But feel free to explain whatever it is you think I don'tk know.

Niiiiiiice. Congrats!

 
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I've already posted the answer to your question.
Alrighty then.
 
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that's probably not a bad guess.... the haters around here traditionally hate on Christianity/Christians exclusively and are pretty tolerant of whatever Muslims do.

Doesn't take Columbo to figure that out. It's well funded and vocal "Christian" groups in the political arena lobbing the incendiary bombs at the gay community, so that's who gets the return fire.
 
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Really? You have great disdain for people that say 'I'll serve anyone that walks in our store but I wont cater a gay wedding"
but you havent got the balls to condemn threatened violence?

Thats so...well...expected.



All of that is going on several thousand miles from me,so I believe that I'll just let the people there handle this kerfuffle. :roll:
 
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Catering is about more than just selling food.

lol i think this is broaching into the whole "fag enabler" territory

the wedding is gonna happen whether the diarrhea inducing pizza caters to them or not
 
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Willingly catering a gay wedding which goes against God precepts of a marriage being only between a man and a woman is the same as endorsing that wedding. Just like a school that allows people not affiliated with the school or works at the school to hand out Bibles or Korans or <insert religious text here> for free on school property is considered as the government endorsing religion.

And by the by...last I knew caterers also provide wedding cakes. To a religious person that is one of the main symbols of a religious ceremony.

no that is just cultural symbol. They weren't doing wedding cakes in 1st century jerusalem and they weren't delivering crappy pizza either

handing out bibles to unwitting minors trying to indoctrinate them is a lot more a direct endorsement of religion than what you're whining about is an endorsement of gay weddings. Now if the pizza bigots were forced to preside over the vows or consummate the marriage themselves, that would be a more accurate analogy.
 
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Doesn't take Columbo to figure that out. It's well funded and vocal "Christian" groups in the political arena lobbing the incendiary bombs at the gay community, so that's who gets the return fire.

mmmm.. militant rhetoric... this just gets better and better.

y'all are real heroes... condoning death threads, rationalizing terrorizing people, justifying and advocating for running innocent people out of business.

yeah...real Americans....:roll:
 
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NO, it's not an endorsement. Restaurants and caterers serve all sorts of people. It is not an endorsement of anything they do just as the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in.

Only from your point of view.

A public school is not a commercial enterprise, and we're talking about adults getting married, not schoolchildren in school.

This does nothing to address what I stated.

No, the cake is of no religious significance.

Christian Wedding Customs and Traditions

Cutting and Feeding of the Cake
The cutting of the cake is another picture of the cutting of the covenant. When the bride and groom take pieces of the cake and feed it to each other, once again, they are showing how they have given their all to one another, and will care for the other as one flesh. At a Christian wedding, the cutting and feeding of the cake can be done joyfully, but should also be done lovingly and reverently, in a way that honors the covenant relationship.

You were saying?
 
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The govt most certainly does. This has been affirmed in a multitude of lawsuits.

It it weren't true, then this law would never have been proposed, let alone passed.

BS. The government constantly tries to pass laws that violate the Constitution and SCOTUS has upheld many as Constitutional yet later on held them unconstitutional. It amazes me that someone could make the kind of statement that you did here and still keep a straight face.
 
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lol i think this is broaching into the whole "fag enabler" territory

the wedding is gonna happen whether the diarrhea inducing pizza caters to them or not

Thank you for admitting that no one is being oppressed by a business refusing to cater to a wedding event that they do not approve of. After all, how can it be oppressed when its "gonna happen whether the diarrhea inducing pizza caters to them or not"?
 
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no that is just cultural symbol. They weren't doing wedding cakes in 1st century jerusalem and they weren't delivering crappy pizza either

Actually wedding cakes have been a part of weddings since at least the Roman Empire.

handing out bibles to unwitting minors trying to indoctrinate them is a lot more a direct endorsement of religion than what you're whining about is an endorsement of gay weddings. Now if the pizza bigots were forced to preside over the vows or consummate the marriage themselves, that would be a more accurate analogy.

What is it that sangha says? "the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in." You can't have it both ways.
 
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Thank you for admitting that no one is being oppressed by a business refusing to cater to a wedding event that they do not approve of. After all, how can it be oppressed when its "gonna happen whether the diarrhea inducing pizza caters to them or not"?

The fact they may be able marry despite the efforts of the religious right to prevent it (thus 'enabling' is not even in the equation) does not mean there is not also oppression/attempts to oppress too

I mean hell, if up to indiana and these pizza ****s, gay weddings would be completely illegal. In fact it was until the courts intervened. Remember that is who you're defending here
 
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Actually wedding cakes have been a part of weddings since at least the Roman Empire.



What is it that sangha says? "the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in." You can't have it both ways.

yeah the roman pagans, i'm sure that's what most christians think of when they slice the cake

when it comes to indoctrinating children i can. Give a bat to a 5 year old without supervision and he attacks the neighbor's dog, we blame the kid? I wouldn't. Give a bat to a 25 year old and he attacks the dog and it's a diff matter.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

The fact they may be able marry despite the efforts of the religious right to prevent it (thus 'enabling' is not even in the equation) does not mean there is not also oppression/attempts to oppress too

I mean hell, if up to indiana and these pizza ****s, gay weddings would be completely illegal. In fact it was until the courts intervened. Remember that is who you're defending here

And I spoke out against the state governments banning SSM. And yes, I'm now defending these religious folks. Why? Because Rights are there to protect those things that everyone else finds distasteful. Rights are not there to protect things that everyone agrees with.

And no. You are either being oppressed or you are not. One of the few things in which there is no grey area.
 
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yeah the roman pagans, i'm sure that's what most christians think of when they slice the cake

First, your claim had to do with how long the wedding cake had been around. Not the symbolism of the wedding cake. As for the symbolism read post #618.

when it comes to indoctrinating children i can. Give a bat to a 5 year old without supervision and he attacks the neighbor's dog, we blame the kid? I wouldn't. Give a bat to a 25 year old and he attacks the dog and it's a diff matter.

Either your not very good with analogies or you are purposely taking it literal when you want and ignoring what the analogy is meant to represent. I doubt I have to actually wonder which one it is.....
 
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