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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.

Apparently freedom of religion now includes the right to decline to serve pizzas to people you don't like. Bet Jefferson never thought of that one.
 
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Yeah, liberals can't think for themselves. They're a dumb bunch. It's really difficult to figure out that a business, any business might look for a way to get little free publicity. :roll:

sure.. sure.. it must be a simple coincidence that so many lefties came up with the same talking point in such a short time... yup... coincidence.

:lol:
 
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What emotional response do you hold for people that have threatened them?



I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now it looks like not selling pizzas to gay weddings is working out pretty good for them.

$200 thousand from GoFundMe is nothing to sneeze at, eh?
 
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I must be an idiot (I know I am from time to time but no need to agree with me, I know some people see me in that manner :2razz:) but why on earth would someone not want to sell a pizza to a gay person just because they got married?

Just because the religious right have claimed sole custody to the process of marriage is wrong. Just split it up to a civil union that is the "real marriage" and a seperate religious one that is open only to members of that religion and for which that religion has the sole right to decide who they marry and who not.

That would make it be possible for gays to marry and for religious organizations to decide who they marry and who not. Problem solved IMHO.

What gives someone a religious right to not sell food to someone? They are not approving of the life style of others just because they sell pizza's to a gay wedding ceremony IMHO. Sorry, but I do not see the problem in selling a pizza to someone who is gay, black, white, muslim, jewish, christian or whatever. Because if you have a pizzeria what is the problem with selling them to anyone who needs one and wants to pay? What does a person have to do in order to order a pizza? Do they ask

I would sell pizza to everyone who needed one, even if that person was a mormon or for crying out loud a scientologist. Pizza sales do not make you approve of someone's life style, religion or points of view. You are doing your job (but I still reserve the right never to watch/pay for a movie starring Tom Cruise but if he came to order a pizza I would even sell him one) when you are a pizza owning kind of a person you do what is necessary for the prosperity of you, your staff and your loved ones.

Sorry, but I am intolerant of intolerance when it comes to discrimination. I would hever discriminate someone religious and that is how it should be, why would religious people be allowed to then to that to other? Respect and love other like you love yourself is what religious should be about.
 
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Apparently freedom of religion now includes the right to decline to serve pizzas to people you don't like. Bet Jefferson never thought of that one.
I bet Jefferson would have supported a baker's right to decline to make a cake for a smae sex wedding
 
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Apparently freedom of religion now includes the right to decline to serve pizzas to people you don't like. Bet Jefferson never thought of that one.

It's not about the people. They said they would never and have never refused to serve anyone who is gay or of a different religion. It's when they were asked to participate in what they believe is a sinful act. They cannot participate in good conscience. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't discriminating against people --- it's the act of participating in an event that goes against their beliefs that bothers them.
 
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It's not about the people. They said they would never and have never refused to serve anyone who is gay or of a different religion. It's when they were asked to participate in what they believe is a sinful act. They cannot participate in good conscience. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't discriminating against people --- it's the act of participating in an event that goes against their beliefs that bothers them.

Screw them. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
 
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I bet Jefferson would have supported a baker's right to decline to make a cake for a smae sex wedding

Yeah, but then again Jefferson had a black slave girl he took to bed every night.
 
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I must be an idiot (I know I am from time to time but no need to agree with me, I know some people see me in that manner :2razz:) but why on earth would someone not want to sell a pizza to a gay person just because they got married?

Just because the religious right have claimed sole custody to the process of marriage is wrong. Just split it up to a civil union that is the "real marriage" and a seperate religious one that is open only to members of that religion and for which that religion has the sole right to decide who they marry and who not.

That would make it be possible for gays to marry and for religious organizations to decide who they marry and who not. Problem solved IMHO.

What gives someone a religious right to not sell food to someone? They are not approving of the life style of others just because they sell pizza's to a gay wedding ceremony IMHO. Sorry, but I do not see the problem in selling a pizza to someone who is gay, black, white, muslim, jewish, christian or whatever. Because if you have a pizzeria what is the problem with selling them to anyone who needs one and wants to pay? What does a person have to do in order to order a pizza? Do they ask

I would sell pizza to everyone who needed one, even if that person was a mormon or for crying out loud a scientologist. Pizza sales do not make you approve of someone's life style, religion or points of view. You are doing your job (but I still reserve the right never to watch/pay for a movie starring Tom Cruise but if he came to order a pizza I would even sell him one) when you are a pizza owning kind of a person you do what is necessary for the prosperity of you, your staff and your loved ones.

Sorry, but I am intolerant of intolerance when it comes to discrimination. I would hever discriminate someone religious and that is how it should be, why would religious people be allowed to then to that to other? Respect and love other like you love yourself is what religious should be about.

It's mostly about revenge because the social conservatives and religious right lost the gay marriage war. So this is their little temper tantrum.
 
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Screw them. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
That bed is now lined with more than $420,000 as conservatives are putting their money where their mouths are
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I must be an idiot (I know I am from time to time but no need to agree with me, I know some people see me in that manner :2razz:) but why on earth would someone not want to sell a pizza to a gay person just because they got married?

Just because the religious right have claimed sole custody to the process of marriage is wrong. Just split it up to a civil union that is the "real marriage" and a seperate religious one that is open only to members of that religion and for which that religion has the sole right to decide who they marry and who not.

That would make it be possible for gays to marry and for religious organizations to decide who they marry and who not. Problem solved IMHO.

What gives someone a religious right to not sell food to someone? They are not approving of the life style of others just because they sell pizza's to a gay wedding ceremony IMHO. Sorry, but I do not see the problem in selling a pizza to someone who is gay, black, white, muslim, jewish, christian or whatever. Because if you have a pizzeria what is the problem with selling them to anyone who needs one and wants to pay? What does a person have to do in order to order a pizza? Do they ask

I would sell pizza to everyone who needed one, even if that person was a mormon or for crying out loud a scientologist. Pizza sales do not make you approve of someone's life style, religion or points of view. You are doing your job (but I still reserve the right never to watch/pay for a movie starring Tom Cruise but if he came to order a pizza I would even sell him one) when you are a pizza owning kind of a person you do what is necessary for the prosperity of you, your staff and your loved ones.

Sorry, but I am intolerant of intolerance when it comes to discrimination. I would hever discriminate someone religious and that is how it should be, why would religious people be allowed to then to that to other? Respect and love other like you love yourself is what religious should be about.

Again, it's not about selling pizzas.... it's about catering (and therefore, participating) in the wedding. Why should anyone be forced to participate in an event?
 
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Screw them. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Well, the bed is made with lots of money now... so....
 
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Yeah, but then again Jefferson had a black slave girl he took to bed every night.
That's what we call a non sequitur
 
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Apparently freedom of religion now includes the right to decline to serve pizzas to people you don't like. Bet Jefferson never thought of that one.

I highly doubt he would have a problem with it.... he was a massive proponent for property rights.
 
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I highly doubt he would have a problem with it.... he was a massive proponent for property rights.

Especially Sally Hemmings.
 
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Well, the bed is made with lots of money now... so....

Good for them. Good to know that the right wing is always ready to support bigotry, even if it involves pizzas.
 
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Good for them. Good to know that the right wing is always ready to support bigotry, even if it involves pizzas.

You misspelled freedom of speech and religion.

Why do you think people should be forced to participate in an event they aren't comfortable with?
 
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Again, it's not about selling pizzas.... it's about catering (and therefore, participating) in the wedding. Why should anyone be forced to participate in an event?

Participating? With pizzas? No. They would deliver them and leave. If they actually catered a dinner, and had to stay to serve the food, then that would be a whole different story. I would still think they would be wrong not to cater it just because the couple was gay, BUT I would understand their argument more. But with pizzas? This is just a scam and BS. There's no participation. It's no different if they sold the pizzas to a gays at their store, which they said they have no problems with.
 
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It's not about the people. They said they would never and have never refused to serve anyone who is gay or of a different religion. It's when they were asked to participate in what they believe is a sinful act. They cannot participate in good conscience. They aren't hurting anyone, they aren't discriminating against people --- it's the act of participating in an event that goes against their beliefs that bothers them.

personally, I disagree with their take on the matter .... but i don't disagree with your point.
 
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Except that no one is implying or saying that gays are subhuman. :shrug: Sooooo.....yeaaah.....Still not sure what the point was in saying that. :shrug:

The pizza shop owners are

Every anti gay marriage argument is paraphrased "i'm better than you"
 
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You misspelled freedom of speech and religion.

Why do you think people should be forced to participate in an event they aren't comfortable with?

Nobody forces them to do anything. Especially not open pizza places and then decide not to serve certain customers. It's called bigotry. Frankly the 'comfort' of right wing religious nuts doesn't concern me much.
 
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personally, I disagree with their take on the matter .... but i don't disagree with your point.

I understand their take on the matter, but it's not a decision I would choose if I were them.

I support freedom of religion -- if you're uncomfortable with it, if it's morally wrong to you - don't do it. And no one should be able to force you to violate your beliefs through threats OR laws.
 
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The pizza shop owners are

Every anti gay marriage argument is paraphrased "i'm better than you"
That's kind of ironic coming from the side of the aisle that pushes to close down businesses that don't comply with their ideology
 
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Well, the bed is made with lots of money now... so....

Yeah, $427,000 and counting. I'm sure they are very sorry they expressed their religious beliefs. ;)
 
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