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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Business DNA or state government DNA or a combination of all. See one could even make an argument that by government forcing people to sell to "X" despite thier religious objections, you are discriminating against them.

I've seen that argued by the social conservatives as recently as last night, but I consider it the same way I do the Orwellian redefinition of the word 'bigot.' Any law in some ways "discriminates" against someone. Drug laws discriminate against drug users and drug sellers! Etc.

So, no, I don't see a requirement that a business open to the public serves the public as discrimination. They're asked to comply with laws - they have hundreds to comply with, all of them "discriminatory" in some way.

I do get that there are tough cases, but that's true of most laws. They all have downsides, often significant downsides, so we weight the good and bad and make informed choices on them.

I think, yelp, are more of a reflection of "who we are", than some dumb law that actually protects racists and bigots, despite themselves. I'd rather know the racist to avoid patronizing thier business than force them to sell to everyone and me not know.

I guess I disagree. I'm not all that interested in whether someone, for example, approves of the "gay lifestyle." If they treat them fairly as human beings in the market, work place, employment, housing, etc. even if just because greed overwhelms their principles, fine with me. We really ARE all prejudiced/bigoted in some ways, so overcoming them in how we deal with people is a virtue all its own.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

So dramatic.

Why can't two gay guys find another bakery for their wedding? Because that would waste the opportunity for prime attention whoring.

And I eat pizza all the time without discussing my sexual orientation. I'm amazing that way.


For the same reason that blacks didn't just go find another lunch counter to eat at. Maybe sitting in the balcony away from the white folk that don't want to catch their "disgusting blackness" got old.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

So far, the radio interviewer that initially talked with the store owner has raised just short of 200k for them. In a few hours.

Well played.

Chik-Fil-A is asking the gay community to re-egage their outrage against them for a few weekends.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I've seen that argued by the social conservatives as recently as last night, but I consider it the same way I do the Orwellian redefinition of the word 'bigot.' Any law in some ways "discriminates" against someone. Drug laws discriminate against drug users and drug sellers! Etc.

Drug laws indeed to just that. the war on drugs is another oppressive topic for discussion. ;)


So, no, I don't see a requirement that a business open to the public serves the public as discrimination. They're asked to comply with laws - they have hundreds to comply with, all of them "discriminatory" in some way.

I do get that there are tough cases, but that's true of most laws. They all have downsides, often significant downsides, so we weight the good and bad and make informed choices on them.



I guess I disagree. I'm not all that interested in whether someone, for example, approves of the "gay lifestyle." If they treat them fairly as human beings in the market, work place, employment, housing, etc. even if just because greed overwhelms their principles, fine with me. We really ARE all prejudiced/bigoted in some ways, so overcoming them in how we deal with people is a virtue all its own.


Can I make a black bakery bake me a klan kake?

Or a jewish person bake me a "german wwII gestapo" anniversery cake?

or what about a gay baker having to make an anti-gay church bake them a cake?

where does it end? and if it ends prematurely are we being as "tolerant" as we claim?
 
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The flaw in your thinking is you assume those religious people recognize what they're doing as "bigotry." Everybody can rationalize their own particular brand of bigotry, and it's never referred to as "bigotry." Here in America, it's "religious freedom."

bigotry is an overused word by class-warfare hacks.

if I choose to only date women between the ages of 20-and 26, I'm practicing discrimination, and you could even argue I'm a bigot.

like the pizza joints discrimination, my discrimination is my right.
 
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I don't believe our creator would allow someone to be born in such a way they would be forced to live a deviant lifestyle. (In his eyes)

I also do not recognize any analogy that involves the plight of Black with that of the homosexuals. Imo, it's beyond comparison in this country.

With all due respect, WCH. When I hear people tell others what they personally believe God thinks, believes, or how God intervenes, etc...those claims are really far-fetched - pure assumption. And it especially is if it turns out that there is no God.

So I can only respond by saying: "When you get what you believe the creator believes - straight from the horses mouth. Give me a shout. Until then, I'll disagree. Homosexuality is found in many, many species." Humans are complex and to believe that every aspect of our physical, emotional, mental states of being are the same - well, they aren't. Sexuality is just another aspect of our being.

Did you "consciously" choose to be heterosexual? Or choose whatever skin color you have? Or choose your color of hair, or eyes? I'm guessing that you didn't.

My point about blacks is valid. Their skin color is immutable. Just as I believe every person's sexual orientation is. So in that respect I believe both characteristics are just what they are and one can't be changed anymore than the other.

Oddly enough a lot of homosexuals don't want science to prove that every person's sexual orientation is hardwired because they fear genetic engineering will some day alter various characteristics to meet the wants of future parents.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

So far, the radio interviewer that initially talked with the store owner has raised just short of 200k for them. In a few hours.

Well played.

Chik-Fil-A is asking the gay community to re-egage their outrage against them for a few weekends.

This is exactly what the bigot was hoping for. He played this solely to profit it off him....and the rest of the bigots fell right for it.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

"literally strung up to a tree"....


So no so "literally" I guess. lol


What difference does it make....whether you are strung up in a tree or tied to a fence post. Either way you are dead. Literally.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This is exactly what the bigot was hoping for. He played this solely to profit it off him....and the rest of the bigots fell right for it.




You give them too much credit.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What difference does it make....whether you are strung up in a tree or tied to a fence post. Either way you are dead. Literally.



how you form the english language does matter, if you meant metaphorically, you don't use literally.. jus sayin. ;)
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

So far, the radio interviewer that initially talked with the store owner has raised just short of 200k for them. In a few hours.

Well played.

Chik-Fil-A is asking the gay community to re-egage their outrage against them for a few weekends.

Hmmm. My I-phone has a camera and I want to hereby announce to the world that I refuse to photograph any gay weddings.

Now, Ill just sit back and wait for the cash to roll in...
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

bigotry is an overused word by class-warfare hacks.

if I choose to only date women between the ages of 20-and 26, I'm practicing discrimination, and you could even argue I'm a bigot.

like the pizza joints discrimination, my discrimination is my right.

As I said, bigots don't recognize what they do as bigotry. It's always referred to by a euphemism. The euphemism in this case just happens to be "religious freedom."
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This is exactly what the bigot was hoping for. He played this solely to profit it off him....and the rest of the bigots fell right for it.
SHE was asked a question on a radio interview. Initially I thought it was pretty foolish of her to rush out there make such a claim. Then the facts came out. She was asked a question...she responded.

I suppose you are right. She probably COULD have figured all the bitter angry hate filled little intolerant assholes would rain down on her establishment and she could close shop for a month and take a vacation off of the voluntary largess. OR it could be that people are tired of the incessant bull**** people like you spew on an every day basis and arent willing to shy away from their positions and beliefs any longer. And lord knows how THAT pisses people like you off. Its supposed to WORK, isnt it? You are supposed to be able to throw out a few empty headed insults and people are supposed to just hush up and be silent.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Mathew Sheppard? really?

:lamo

Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claims In New Book

Of course...the HuPO IS a conservative rag ranking right up there w/ Fox News (they wish)...so take it for what it is worth...

Really? You are going to rely on a book based solely on an "anonymous letter" the author "allegedly just stumbled upon".....Jimenez has been widely discredited. Do some research next time. Doh!
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

As I said, bigots don't recognize what they do as bigotry. It's always referred to by a euphemism. The euphemism in this case just happens to be "religious freedom."

refusing to buy pizza from someone because of their views about things not related to pizza is an act of bigotry
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

SHE was asked a question on a radio interview. Initially I thought it was pretty foolish of her to rush out there make such a claim. Then the facts came out. She was asked a question...she responded.

I suppose you are right. She probably COULD have figured all the bitter angry hate filled little intolerant assholes would rain down on her establishment and she could close shop for a month and take a vacation off of the voluntary largess. OR it could be that people are tired of the incessant bull**** people like you spew on an every day basis and arent willing to shy away from their positions and beliefs any longer. And lord knows how THAT pisses people like you off. Its supposed to WORK, isnt it? You are supposed to be able to throw out a few empty headed insults and people are supposed to just hush up and be silent.

Face it....they played you and the rest of the bigots like a fool. There was no reason that they had to close. They did it to play the Martyr card and profit off it. It worked to a T
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

bigotry is an overused word by class-warfare hacks.

if I choose to only date women between the ages of 20-and 26, I'm practicing discrimination, and you could even argue I'm a bigot.

like the pizza joints discrimination, my discrimination is my right.

Unless your penis is a public accommodation, the two are not comparable in the slightest, and you demean our intelligence by uttering such nonsense.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Hmmm. My I-phone has a camera and I want to hereby announce to the world that I refuse to photograph any gay weddings.

Now, Ill just sit back and wait for the cash to roll in...
It could work. First you have to film a few people losing their **** about you, making a steady catalogue of bitter angry hate filled rants on twitter and the like.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

how you form the english language does matter, if you meant metaphorically, you don't use literally.. jus sayin. ;)

No I meant "literally" as in...whether by a tree or a fence post you are literally dead.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Face it....they played you and the rest of the bigots like a fool. There was no reason that they had to close. They did it to play the Martyr card and profit off it. It worked to a T
Perhaps. And perhaps it just makes your cause look as tired as the CHik Fil A protests did.
 
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Unless your penis is a public accommodation, the two are not comparable in the slightest, and you demean our intelligence by uttering such nonsense.

blablabla.

slave holders hid under a cloud of legality too.

my moral compass is better then yours.
 
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This has nothing to do with right wing or left wing (well left wing it does). that is a dictionary definition. I am sorry if you don't like what the DICTIONARY has to say about it.
it has nothing to do with me or the right wing, but people like you attempting to change the definition of a word because you don't like it.

I'm not really inclined to argue this much more. NO ONE would write that the civil rights workers murdered in Alabama were "bigots." Just isn't how the word is used in the English language. Sorry.

It makes perfect sense if you adhere to grammar. if you say that you are tolerant yet spew hate and vile at those that have a different opinion than you then you are not the tolerant person you claim to be. please see the definition.

It makes perfect sense if you are not fluent in the language and/or therefore ignore the accepted usage of a word.

What you're arguing could apply to the term 'faggot.' It does have a meaning other than the slur, but in 2015 it has an accepted, common usage, and if you want to use it to describe something other than as a slur (e.g. a unit of measure of a bundle of sticks), then additional context is required.

So if you're arguing it's possible to use "bigot" to refer to civil rights workers in Alabama, fine. But to use it in that context, you are obligated to provide that additional context - they were bigots because they were intolerant of stone cold racists in the South.

I am sorry you don't like the definition of tolerance but that is what tolerance means according to the dictionary and you don't get to change the narrative because you don't like the fact you are not as tolerant as you claim to be.

OK, so now someone who accepts people of all races, religions, sexual orientation and rejects white supremacy, racism, and homophobia isn't tolerant, we have to describe them as intolerant of intolerance. That's great. Yep, that's how the language is commonly used. Much better ... :roll:

Orwell is smiling!
 
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blablabla.

slave holders hid under a cloud of legality too.

It would help if you made a coherent argument once in a while.

my moral compass is better then yours.

I highly doubt that.
 
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