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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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I don't believe our creator would allow someone to be born in such a way they would be forced to live a deviant lifestyle. (In his eyes)

Nature or nurture or both, there is simply no evidence that one can pray away the gay. If you don't think many gays have tried to BE straight, and would have given a great deal to be straight, you don't know many gay people very well. The idea that it's a choice just is contradicted by all the evidence.

And of course they CAN live a lie as a straight person, or celibate. Happens all the time. My brother tried it but decided it wasn't fair to him, his wife, or what would be their children to have to deceive them all, forever basically. It was also dishonest (in his view) in the most fundamental way. But I don't think that is what you meant.

I also do not recognize any analogy that involves the plight of Black with that of the homosexuals. Imo, it's beyond comparison in this country.

But that's not unlike saying, "Well, Jews in country X have/had it better than they did in Nazi Germany, so what's the problem?"
 
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The point is, you can't legislate that people to love their gay kids.

I didn't suggest that we could.

And the destruction of the traditional family is responsible for 90 percent of the ills of this country.

OK, different thread, but since you brought it up, how does focusing all the social conservative attention on SSM solve that problem. They're wanting the right TO marry. It's never been clear to me how the two guys down the street from me getting married threatens my 24 year marriage. The more the merrier IMO. Happiness, stability, monogamy, commitment - all good things no matter which couple decides to make that vow!
 
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This is just more faux outrage designed to divide...
 
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I didn't suggest that we could.



OK, different thread, but since you brought it up, how does focusing all the social conservative attention on SSM solve that problem. They're wanting the right TO marry. It's never been clear to me how the two guys down the street from me getting married threatens my 24 year marriage. The more the merrier IMO. Happiness, stability, monogamy, commitment - all good things no matter which couple decides to make that vow!

So dramatic.

Why can't two gay guys find another bakery for their wedding? Because that would waste the opportunity for prime attention whoring.

And I eat pizza all the time without discussing my sexual orientation. I'm amazing that way.
 
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Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.

That's not how it works. To the left, tolerance is a 1-way street.
 
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So dramatic.

Why can't two gay guys find another bakery for their wedding? Because that would waste the opportunity for prime attention whoring.

And I eat pizza all the time without discussing my sexual orientation. I'm amazing that way.

Where in that response did I discuss bakeries or pizza? It's like you're responding to someone else, so I don't see the point in this exchange. :peace
 
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So dramatic.

Why can't two gay guys find another bakery for their wedding? Because that would waste the opportunity for prime attention whoring.

And I eat pizza all the time without discussing my sexual orientation. I'm amazing that way.

Same reason to black guys cant find another bakery.

If being gay were visibly obvious, you'd see this sort of discrimination a lot more.
 
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Same reason to black guys cant find another bakery.

If being gay were visibly obvious, you'd see this sort of discrimination a lot more.




That doesn't make much sense, how many openly racist bakeries have you seen denying service to black people?
 
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I don't believe our creator would allow someone to be born in such a way they would be forced to live a deviant lifestyle. (In his eyes)

I also do not recognize any analogy that involves the plight of Black with that of the homosexuals. Imo, it's beyond comparison in this country.

White Women did not go through the exact same denial of rights as African American women did in this country. Is a white woman's struggle less than that of a black woman? Even though they did not face all the same denials of right...they still faced those related to they being women.

Blacks have their own path to social justice and civil rights...LGBT will have theirs. What each group goes to ultimately get social justice and civil rights...does not have to be the exactly same to be valid.
 
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That's not how it works. To the left, tolerance is a 1-way street.

No, the left just doesn't feel that intolerance needs to be tolerated. You see, that's because the left doesn't view the world in black and white like you do.

People on the right claim to uphold individual liberty, but they're more than happy to block the individual liberty to marry someone of the same gender. So, they're all hypocrites, right? They only want freedom to behave one way, their way.
 
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White Women did not go through the exact same denial of rights as African American women did in this country. Is a white woman's struggle less than that of a black woman? Even though they did not face all the same denials of right...the still faced those related to they being women.

Blacks had their own path to social justice and civil rights...LGBT will have theirs. What each group goes to ultimately get social justice and civil rights...does not have to be the exactly same to be valid.

Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)
 
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Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)



link please.
 
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That doesn't make much sense, how many openly racist bakeries have you seen denying service to black people?

Hmmmm..... Might want to catch up on the laws a bit. That particular form of discrimination has been illegal for a few decades now, so not many still do it. But it's legal in Indiana against gays!

This article was interesting. Seems a BBQ restaurant owner in SC tried to use religion to justify discrimination against blacks (in 1968):

The attorney representing the petitioners suing Piggie Park also addressed in court the “First Amendment religious privilege claim that petitioner asserted that his religion required him” to deny service to black customers. “I’m just a fair man. I want to be known as a hard-working, Christian man that loves God and wants to further (God’s) work throughout the world as I have been doing throughout the last 25 years.” (Source)

Read more at: SC Restaurant Owner Refuses To Serve Blacks, Cites Religious Beliefs

He lost 8-0 in the SC. But strike 'black' and replace with 'gay' and you've got the modern version of that argument. IMO, it deserves the same respect.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Hmmmm..... Might want to catch up on the laws a bit. That particular form of discrimination has been illegal for a few decades now, so not many still do it. But it's legal in Indiana against gays!

This article was interesting. Seems a BBQ restaurant owner in SC tried to use religion to justify discrimination against blacks (in 1968):



He lost 8-0 in the SC. But strike 'black' and replace with 'gay' and you've got the modern version of that argument. IMO, it deserves the same respect.




Speaking on catching up, that was in 1968, we live in a different world. Businesses should be able to sell to whom and how they want. I'd prefer it that way so I know which racists have businesses so I don't give them my money.

And as you can see, being a racist, or even hint that you might have religious objection to catering to a gay wedding these days, gets you a lot of negative attention.
 
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Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)

Lots of people have been strung up and worse. How does that mean that an entire group gets control over the labor and property of others?
 
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Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?
 
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Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?


Granted there is far too much hold over to middle ages interpretations of the Bible but this is not Christianity.

Not even close, a young woman was trapped in a hypothetical interview from which erupted a hate fest....
 
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Speaking on catching up, that was in 1968, we live in a different world. Businesses should be able to sell to whom and how they want. I'd prefer it that way so I know which racists have businesses so I don't give them my money.

And as you can see, being a racist, or even hint that you might have religious objection to catering to a gay wedding these days, gets you a lot of negative attention.

It's different now to be sure, but pointing out that a law worked to change the business DNA in this country isn't a good reason to repeal the law that worked so well.

Also, as I've said elsewhere, IMO, anti-discrimination laws are a reflection of who we are. Repealing them says something bad IMO, and a good statement of who we are is to extend them to sexual orientation.
 
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Lots of people have been strung up and worse. How does that mean that an entire group gets control over the labor and property of others?

I think the difference is most of us don't see that a person opening a business to serve the public being 'forced' to serve the public, for a fair and competitive exchange on the same terms as others, is "getting control over the labor and property of others." Sort of like zoning laws or health codes or safety requirements on the job.
 
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It's different now to be sure, but pointing out that a law worked to change the business DNA in this country isn't a good reason to repeal the law that worked so well.


Business DNA or state government DNA or a combination of all. See one could even make an argument that by government forcing people to sell to "X" despite thier religious objections, you are discriminating against them.


Also, as I've said elsewhere, IMO, anti-discrimination laws are a reflection of who we are. Repealing them says something bad IMO, and a good statement of who we are is to extend them to sexual orientation.


I think, yelp, are more of a reflection of "who we are", than some dumb law that actually protects racists and bigots, despite themselves. I'd rather know the racist to avoid patronizing thier business than force them to sell to everyone and me not know.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?

The flaw in your thinking is you assume those religious people recognize what they're doing as "bigotry." Everybody can rationalize their own particular brand of bigotry, and it's never referred to as "bigotry." Here in America, it's "religious freedom."
 
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Orwell would be proud of how the right wing has redefined "tolerance" and "bigotry." In this era of newspeak, George Wallace was an intolerant bigot, and so were those on the ground working for civil rights for blacks in the South. The murdered civil rights workers were intolerant of white supremacists and enforced second class status for blacks, and so bigots same as their murderers. Etc.

This has nothing to do with right wing or left wing (well left wing it does). that is a dictionary definition. I am sorry if you don't like what the DICTIONARY has to say about it.
it has nothing to do with me or the right wing, but people like you attempting to change the definition of a word because you don't like it.

Of course, that's insane. In this Orwellian era, this sentence would in fact have no meaning - "My boss is a bigot" and this would be a perfectly normal sentence - "I just love my boss because he's such a kind, understanding, intolerant, bigoted man." In reality, of course, intolerant and bigot have accepted meanings, and any literate person reading the first sentence KNOWS what kind of person it describes (in short, an a$$hole who does NOT preside over a rainbow workforce or welcome anyone who doesn't believe as he does), and would be scratching their head over the second because it makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense if you adhere to grammar. if you say that you are tolerant yet spew hate and vile at those that have a different opinion than you then you are not the tolerant person you claim to be. please see the definition.

Such as me. I am not a tolerant person on certain things. I don't accept every opinion I hear.
I am willing to hear or listen but unlike tolerant people I have the ability to reject and or refute things and not accept their opinion as fact.

I am sorry you don't like the definition of tolerance but that is what tolerance means according to the dictionary and you don't get to change the narrative because you don't like the fact you are not as tolerant as you claim to be.
 
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The flaw in your thinking is you assume those religious people recognize what they're doing as "bigotry." Everybody can rationalize their own particular brand of bigotry, and it's never referred to as "bigotry." Here in America, it's "religious freedom."

and people that don't like religious view points are just as bigoted. interesting.
yet they don't seem to realize it.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

The flaw in your thinking is you assume those religious people recognize what they're doing as "bigotry." Everybody can rationalize their own particular brand of bigotry, and it's never referred to as "bigotry." Here in America, it's "religious freedom."

Maybe you're right - I'm no longer a religious person and haven't been for decades, partly because organized religion is often crazy.
 
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