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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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And you know why that is? Because the koran doesn't forbid sex changes.

Actually, what the Qur'an doesn't forbid is the use of science. It's seen as something that comes from god to them. As such, Islam ironically embraces sex changes.

Seriously. The 7th century book doesn't forbid sex changes, which didn't exist back then. It's like giving credit to the culprit

It is still monstrous to force homosexuals into sex changes on threat of death

Yes, I've read the reports from the "New Civil Rights Movement" too. However, it's based on nothing but allegations of there being a report. The actual issue however is far more complex than your one liners and silly allegations.
 
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No doubt. And surely you realize that with a few changes in particular words above, it would be an equally apt description of issues on the political left and a lack of tolerance there, as well, as this particular episode highlights. It just could be that both are wrong, but I wouldn't want to be the fellow that points such a thing out. I have better things to do.

Asking that your business not discriminate while taking advantage of every perk offered to it by a society is not bigotry. You're welcome to do as you wish in your home. :shrug:
 
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Memories Pizza may have closed temporarily but supporter's donations to them now total over $132K through the 'gofundme.com Memories Pizza' website.

You just gotta love it.

We also know that at the end, there's the final Judgment, and the pro-gay crowd won't have to like it.
 
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Catholicism, Orthodox churches, and Protestant denominations.

So every Christian on the earth is opposed to gay marriage in your opinion?

There is ONE voice and you know what it is....?


figures
 
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Statistically, though (and depending on the region you live in, of course), if you're a white hetero Christian you've probably never encountered discrimination from a minority. Okay fine, yes, a lot of us might have encountered that one taco vendor who had a bug up his ass one day and refused to sell us a taco, but it's not an endemic problem for the majority.

careful, to him 99% likelihood is considered a bigoted conclusion
 
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Basically by providing their services for something that is supposed to be (in their eyes) just be between a man and a woman it is showing that they are accepting sin. That they are promoting sin by "helping" it along. By providing a means to contribute to it.

Really??? You believe that???

So if they serve pizza to a woman who's had an abortion, then they've committed a sin? WOW.
 
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Actually, what the Qur'an doesn't forbid is the use of science. It's seen as something that comes from god to them. As such, Islam ironically embraces sex changes.



Yes, I've read the reports from the "New Civil Rights Movement" too. However, it's based on nothing but allegations of there being a report. The actual issue however is far more complex than your one liners and silly allegations.

That is not where i got this notion. I saw a documentary filmed in iran in which an actual iranian teenager was warned that homosexuality is illegal and was steered into a sex change, "because the koran doesn't forbid it." I then looked into it further and i see nothing that contradicts that example.

If the koran wasn't anti science, it and its adherents wouldn't be anti gay
 
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So every Christian on the earth is opposed to gay marriage in your opinion?

This is the 3rd time where you've proven yourself to be completely unable to understand a simple sentence.

No one claimed the Christian world was obsessed with it. However, there is very little doubt that there is a sizeable Christian population in the US that is obsessed with regulating morality and whitewashing their hatred of homosexuals.

What part of that says anything about every Christian being opposed to gay marriage? Please, embarrass yourself for all of DP to see.
 
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The whole "protected class" thing has to do with Affirmative Action laws. Laws are not Rights and they do not confer any Rights. And the 14th Amendment talks about equal protection under the law. It does not state or even imply that private businesses or even private individuals are not able to discriminate. If it did then you would not have the Right to boycott any business that held a view opposite of yours. You would HAVE to give them your money.

Right. Almost nothing in the Constitution, aside from the Thirteenth Amendment, restricts what private persons may do. That's why Congress had to use the Commerce Clause, that catchall source of authority so much beloved by statists, as the basis for public accommodations provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The argument behind cases like Katzenbach v. McClung, which upheld this public accommodations law, was that because blacks could not be sure of getting rooms, meals, etc. on the road, they were less likely to travel between states than they otherwise would be.

The proponents of the homosexual agenda have had to turn to state public accommodations laws to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual preference. They have also tried to expand "public accommodation" far beyond its traditional meaning. This has brought these state laws into conflict was various parts of First Amendment. But there is no reason to think a concern about being forced to serve homosexuals has prompted the twenty-plus state RFRA's, including Indiana's. What prompted them was City of Bourne v. Flores, a 1997 decision in which the Supreme Court held that a part of the federal RFRA intended to apply it to states exceeded Congress authority under the fifth section of the Fourteenth Amendment.
 
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That is not where i got this notion. I saw a documentary filmed in iran in which an actual iranian teenager was warned that homosexuality is illegal and was steered into a sex change, "because the koran doesn't forbid it." I then looked into it further and i see nothing that contradicts that example.

That's great, I've been to Iran and have spoken to homosexuals in the country. The situation is far more complex than being forced to do something.
 
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tol·er·ance
/ˈtäl(ə)rəns/
noun
noun: tolerance

1. the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with

please see the bolded part. you evidently don't know the definition of tolerance either.
you don't get to pick and choose which part of the word you like.
you don't get to re-write the definition of a word to justify your argument.

what does their spiritual life matter? sounds like a strawman to me.

the fact is people that say they are tolerant really aren't but it makes a good sound bite.

I just want to make one more point about that. Quite a few of our founders were religious men, and being religious were pretty sure their belief system was THE right one. Yet they wrote the 1st Amendment which demands that the government TOLERATE people of all or no religion at all. So to describe that to normal adults conversant in the English language, all I'd need to do is state that the U.S. is a religiously tolerant country. Saudi Arabia/ISIS/AQ are, conversely, religiously intolerant.

But according to your interpretation, as stated those statements are meaningless unless we qualify what our government will tolerate (and what ISIS doesn't) - could be the Constitution tolerates establishing a theocracy and the death penalty for non-believers, or, equally plausible, the Constitution requires government to tolerate people of any religion or no religion.

Again, that's insane.
 
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This is the 3rd time where you've proven yourself to be completely unable to understand a simple sentence.



What part of that says anything about every Christian being opposed to gay marriage? Please, embarrass yourself for all of DP to see.



Not the quote thanks.

Be honest at least.

You as usual posted a generalized statement about the "Christian world" and then said to you it meant every major religion.

And then presumed to speak for it.

And save the personal; insults...it may make you feel smarter, but it's boring..
 
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Not the quote thanks.

Ah, not the quote, so what made you think I thought that? I can wait. Hell, I explicitly stated that most of Christianity isn't obsessed with homosexuality. You don't know what explicit means don't you?

Be honest at least.

You as usual posted a generalized statement about the "Christian world" and then said to you it meant every major religion.

A generalized statement? LOL. POST IT. Hell, I'll make a donation to DP if you can show where I discussed all Christians. :) You down?

And then presumed to speak for it.

And save the personal; insults...it may make you feel smarter, but it's boring..

Personal insults? You have demonstrated you have a reading comprehension problem. That is evident in this thread. Continue to make yourself look foolish though. It's fun to watch you dig yourself out of your lack of reading comprehension.
 
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I'm not particularly crying for them even though I found the antics childish.

I dont think they are under actual danger, but are milking the victim status afforded to them now.
 
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Could be worse though. Plenty families still totally reject them upon finding out.

Yep, a good friend of my brother's - a very good human being by any account other than he's homosexual - was so completely disowned/rejected he didn't find out about his mother's illness (cancer) or death until 2 months after her funeral, so dad, and two siblings, couldn't bother to make a phone call, send an email. They'd send b'day or Christmas presents from him back, unopened. Would hang up if he called. Etc. Pretty sad.

Sometimes I hope that many of those who seem unconcerned about discrimination against gays just don't have a clue what kind of actual discrimination still takes place in this country. It's far better than it used to be, but the kind of hostility that motivates an entire family to disown their son/brother/sister still exists, and so suggestions that we "tolerate" or especially respect these kinds of opinions is pretty absurd from where I sit.

You want to argue that they should be allowed to discriminate and refuse service? Fine. I disagree and the laws are quickly coming around to a view to make it illegal. But don't tell they're just faithful to their religion. BS. It's a kind of hate reserved for homosexuals (and maybe child rapists) that has nothing to do with religion.
 
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Should businesses be able to refuse Christians?

Absolutely, if they're trying to conduct a Bible study in their business.
 
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Obviously your opinion is that being gay IS NOT an immutable characteristic. Being a skinhead, neo-nazi is assuredly not an immutable characteristic. They like to wear their blatant bigotry on their skin - and usually in a place to be seen in plain sight.

Now if a person was born with a swastika birth mark...that would be an immutable characteristic. While it's still a symbol people might find offensive, the birth mark wasn't by choice.

So in my opinion, your objections to gays is like telling blacks that they can't go the grocery store until they take off their dark skin.

I don't believe our creator would allow someone to be born in such a way they would be forced to live a deviant lifestyle. (In his eyes)

I also do not recognize any analogy that involves the plight of Black with that of the homosexuals. Imo, it's beyond comparison in this country.
 
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Yep, a good friend of my brother's - a very good human being by any account other than he's homosexual - was so completely disowned/rejected he didn't find out about his mother's illness (cancer) or death until 2 months after her funeral, so dad, and two siblings, couldn't bother to make a phone call, send an email. They'd send b'day or Christmas presents from him back, unopened. Would hang up if he called. Etc. Pretty sad.

This is not unique to gay people. A lot of families do a lot of awful things to each other.

That is, when there used to be a lot of families. Those days are gone.
 
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An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.

Other than the illegal and immoral acts used to harass the pizza joint, I would say this is a perfect example of libertarianism in action. Dont like a business, cause them to change through speech or boycott. We dont have to force them to change through police action.
 
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This is not unique to gay people. A lot of families do a lot of awful things to each other.

I'm not sure what the point is - because some other families are equally cruel, it's OK or something?

That is, when there used to be a lot of families. Those days are gone.

Well, that's not true. Every child has a family, just not a 'traditional' family.
 
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I'm not sure what the point is - because some other families are equally cruel, it's OK or something?



Well, that's not true. Every child has a family, just not a 'traditional' family.

The point is, you can't legislate that people to love their gay kids.

And the destruction of the traditional family is responsible for 90 percent of the ills of this country.
 
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How did this place close when they just got 50k from Gofundme?

They aren't closed due to lack of business, but due to threats from outside agitators. They actually should sue Yelp for creating the threat conditions. They have allowed folks who have never frequented the business to give false reviews and create an environment of threats.
 
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