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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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I believe i already accused them of lying on that, just like their attention whoring by going out of their way to bash gay weddings. I don't see anything of value in their antics.

christian persecution complex depends on making oneself the victim. Easiest way to do that is claim to "love the sinner, hate the sin," or claim to serve the non existent gay couples and just stop short at supporting the wedding. Reality is they hate sinner, or would not have opened their fat mouths to begin with. There's literally no purpose to what they did, other than to be pricks

You claiming that they are lying =/= that they are lying.
 
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Huh. How about that. So nothing has happened. I wonder if Muslim restaurant would cater a SSM.

What food does a "Muslim" restaurant sell?
 
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I'm pretty sure I gave worldwide examples to back up my statement. Hell, I'm convinced I even MENTIONED the East Coast as part of my post. If you want to look at some of the terrible activities of some Christians to make your point, go for it. Just don't pretend that religion doesn't have any value today. That's patently false even to someone who has a long history of taking a whip to fundies.

Yeah, religion really isn't the problem, or at least it need not be. Most of the best people I know are Christians, and there is no requirement for Christians to be bigots. A charity I work for was founded by a very religious person. Anyone is welcome, black, white, gay, straight, Christian, Muslim, etc. Anyone who doesn't buy into that doesn't stay there as a resident or work there. So in the newspeak era, he's an anti-bigot bigot, and a very religious person, who's spent more than two decades taking people off the street, getting them clean and sober, and working frequent 60-70 hour weeks teaching them how to live a productive life.
 
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How would they know a customer was gay or lesbian? Should they be wearing rainbow pins or pink stars? I'll bet the pizza place has never encountered a bunch of Bears "

Don't know if they have or not. But its pretty easy to see two guys or gals kissing each other. :shrug: And who knows, for all we know they might even have some regular customers that they know is gay.
 
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Huh. How about that. So nothing has happened. I wonder if Muslim restaurant would cater a SSM.

Actually, after looking around, I think I'm wrong about the tweet. I may be confusing it with another business that tweeted their intent to discriminate.
 
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Sorry, I don't subscribe to your posts or follow your newsletter. And based on your expressed views, I think I'll pass.

I wasn't trying to be mean when I said that. It was just a statement, that's all.

Actually, it does. Thank you. One thing's for sure, your ideal society would be the most segregated society on the planet. Without government intervention to protect gays and minorities from wanton discrimination, such people would be forced out of backwater conservative towns, even if they were born there. There would literally be 'No-Go Zones' sprinkled across the country for many people.

I would ask why you overwhelmingly favor the rights of businesses over the rights of people, but I frankly don't care.

People do not have a right to not be discriminated against. So yeah, I'm going to support Rights over wants.

And in case you didn't notice, we already have segregated areas. Self imposed segregation but segregation none the less. Don't believe me? Go take a walk around China Town or The Hood etc etc etc.
 
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I can't believe I should have to give the equivalent of the "not all Muslims are terrorists" speech. Look at a map of where the most states that oppose ssm are clustered and you'll see it's highly regional. I know many religious people and most of them don't oppose gay people in the slightest, and in fact do a lot of aide and charity work. Often they make me feel like an objectively terrible human by comparison. And the few religious people I know who do oppose gays are originally from that cluster I just mentioned. It's easy to forget in these topics that the majority of Liberals/Democrats are in fact religious. The ongoing culture war is defined by culture and region. Religion is only one part of it.

I dunno what you're arguing. Dems were as worthless to gay rights for the longest time as repubs were. Religion is entirely it. Just look at any poll on the reason for opposing gay rights, it's always religion.

Yeah, about half of christians, after finding out they have gay friends/relatives, have managed to extricate themselves from the pulpit's clutches. Doesn't change the fact that without religion, this wouldn't have been a problem to begin with.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Huh. How about that. So nothing has happened. I wonder if Muslim restaurant would cater a SSM.

Well, considering all of the transgendered weddings in Iran, the recent gay weddings in Malaysia, and the gay wedding that took place during the OWS protest, one can only assume that "Muslim" food was had and they employed at least 1 "Muslim restaurant". Don't believe me? Well,

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The Muslim world isn't as obsessed with homosexuality as some people may think.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I wasn't trying to be mean when I said that. It was just a statement, that's all.



People do not have a right to not be discriminated against. So yeah, I'm going to support Rights over wants.

And in case you didn't notice, we already have segregated areas. Self imposed segregation but segregation none the less. Don't believe me? Go take a walk around China Town or The Hood etc etc etc.

Yes, they do have those rights. There are anti discrimination ordinances, "protected class," the 14th amendment, roper v evans

This is never going to change, so get over it. The only question is how you can justify lgbt discrimination, while religion, gender, veterans, national origin etc are all immune.
 
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Don't know if they have or not. But its pretty easy to see two guys or gals kissing each other. :shrug: And who knows, for all we know they might even have some regular customers that they know is gay.

Have you ever traveled outside the US? A kiss on the cheek(s) by people of the same sex is rather common in much of the world, including some places where homosexual behaviour is subject to severe punishment. Then there is the fact that your first comment only mentioned one person coming in to buy a pizza. That's why I asked about identifying marks or badges for the "queers and faggots" (not your words, but commonly used in some groups)
 
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I love the "you say you're tolerant, but yet you aren't tolerant to people who don't believe what you think" argument. While there might be some intolerant people who aim there animosity towards these owners because of their intolerant views, but the reality is, they took a chance, and now the market for their pizza is drastically reduced. If I don't want pizza from a place that doesn't serve gays, then that's not me being intolerant towards them, that's me advocating the rights of a group of people that in my view have been wronged.
 
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Actually, after looking around, I think I'm wrong about the tweet. I may be confusing it with another business that tweeted their intent to discriminate.

The death threats against the restaurant owner might be evidence of criminal intent as well.
 
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IIRC, the whole issue began because the owner tweeted a message that he would not cater a SSM

When will people understand that the written word on Twitter is easily shared documentation, not just idle chatter.

Given today's society, they should not have been surprised by the flashback.

If they were surprised, they are fools.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Well, considering all of the transgendered weddings in Iran, the recent gay weddings in Malaysia, and the gay wedding that took place during the OWS protest, one can only assume that "Muslim" food was had and they employed at least 1 "Muslim restaurant". Don't believe me? Well,

gay-muslim.jpg


The Muslim world isn't as obsessed with homosexuality as some people may think.

lol the same iran where "we do not have homosexuals like in your country" and gay people are forced into sex changes and if they refuse, are sometimes executed? I mean i even remember a couple minors were hung.

Or how about saudi arabia, where it's still a death penalty? Just look at the abhorrent laws on homosexuality in the muslim world
 
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I dunno what you're arguing. Dems were as worthless to gay rights for the longest time as repubs were. Religion is entirely it. Just look at any poll on the reason for opposing gay rights, it's always religion.

Yeah, about half of christians, after finding out they have gay friends/relatives, have managed to extricate themselves from the pulpit's clutches. Doesn't change the fact that without religion, this wouldn't have been a problem to begin with.

77% of Americans identify as Christian. If it was solely (or even just mostly) religious you'd see the problem as spread out rather than clustered. I see this issue as regional and cultural.
 
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77% of Americans identify as Christian. If it was solely (or even just mostly) religious you'd see the problem as spread out rather than clustered. I see this issue as regional and cultural.

Wise words.
 
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Shrug. And somewhere a pizza place is still in business because its owner doesn't publicly announce he's an objectively terrible human being.

At least some of us are able to see it whether he announces it or not
 
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77% of Americans identify as Christian. If it was solely (or even just mostly) religious you'd see the problem as spread out rather than clustered. I see this issue as regional and cultural.

Actually, it is almost entirely exposure. Those who know or are related to someone gay are several times more likely to support same-sex marriage regardless of where they live or their religion. Of cpuse, where they live and their religion do play some part in whether they are likely to meet and get to know gay people.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Well, considering all of the transgendered weddings in Iran, the recent gay weddings in Malaysia, and the gay wedding that took place during the OWS protest, one can only assume that "Muslim" food was had and they employed at least 1 "Muslim restaurant". Don't believe me? Well,

gay-muslim.jpg


The Muslim world isn't as obsessed with homosexuality as some people may think.

Neither is the Christian world. There are always exceptions both within Islam and Christianity. There are, for example, entire Muslim nations which have codified the refusal to accept the validity of SSM or homosexuality, and the punishments are rather severe. I see no such correlative example within Christian or generally secular nations.
 
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Eh it's probably easy to support discrimination when you've probably never really had to deal with it. Must be nice!
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

77% of Americans identify as Christian. If it was solely (or even just mostly) religious you'd see the problem as spread out rather than clustered. I see this issue as regional and cultural.

It's both, although i stress that the regional diff is largely steeped in religiosity (bible belt), but the fact remains that without religion, we would never have had anti gay laws in this country. It wouldna been the puritans who came, you know, those freaks intolerable to even the monarchs who passed a sodomy death penalty law.

We would've inherited a lot more of the greek/roman indifference towards same sex behavior
 
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