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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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donsutherland1 said:
This situation brings to mind one of Publilius Syrus' Maxims from the first century B.C.: "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." There was no compelling need whatsoever for the pizzeria's owner to inject herself into a civil rights matter in the fashion she did, much less over an extremely low probability scenario. Now, at least for the time being, the pizzeria is closed, the reputation of its owner is damaged, and it has perhaps lost a number of customers regardless of whether it reopens.
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Do you know why they're closed?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Yes, I know that is what he meant. Obviously I showed that to be wrong in Post #6. Was going to do that in my first post there but wanted to lead him into outright saying it. Which is what he did in post #5. ;)
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You didn't show a damn thing.

In my experience, I was absolutely right.

Typical slanted legend-in-your-own-mind viewpoint of life for you, isn't it?
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
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What tolerance are you suggesting?

Are you suggesting peopled should let others illegally discriminate, break the law and or violate the rights of others ?

what other things would you suggest this for?
not hiring or promoting women simply because they are women?
vandalism?
assault?
rape?
theft?

should people that believe in equal rights and civility tolerate those things too?
 
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SMTA said:
You didn't show a damn thing.

In my experience, I was absolutely right.

Typical slanted legend-in-your-own-mind viewpoint of life for you, isn't it?
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So your experience is everything that happens in the world? That is what you're implying with a post such as this and your previous posts. I've shown your statement "The words 'pizza' and 'catering' are mutually exclusive." to be absolutely wrong and your experience "I have never heard of anybody having a wedding catered with pizza." to be seriously lacking. And yet you continue to double down on it. Not surprised I guess. :shrug:
 
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donsutherland1 said:
This situation brings to mind one of Publilius Syrus' Maxims from the first century B.C.: "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." There was no compelling need whatsoever for the pizzeria's owner to inject herself into a civil rights matter in the fashion she did, much less over an extremely low probability scenario. Now, at least for the time being, the pizzeria is closed, the reputation of its owner is damaged, and it has perhaps lost a number of customers regardless of whether it reopens.
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I think when they open back up they'll get a big boost in business. You're right, there was no need for this place to inject themselves into this matter, except, imo for publicity. They admitted they never even been asked to cater a wedding, and pizza isn't the choice at weddings anyway. Well they open back up they'll be famous, and busy.

I think this was a calculated move by them for publicity. And now there's $50,000 in donations for them too? They'll probably take the 50k, take a nice expensive vacation, then open back up.
 
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Today I learned people have pizza for a wedding reception. Doesn't blow my mind, but what happened to Prime Rib?
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
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Sorry, not all beliefs are deserving of tolerance. I am not tolerant of bigotry. I am not tolerant of sexism. I am not tolerant of the belief the young children should be allowed to consent to sex. I am not tolerant of plenty of beliefs. Note , I am not saying the government should outlaw BELIEFS. Hell, I even believe it should be legal for the pizzaria to refuse service for bigoted reasons. But if they want to advertise their bigotry then I believe they deserve to be put out of business by people withholding their patronage.
 
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This thread is answering a question I have had for a few days. How many businesses are we really talking about in Indiana that are now being "protected" under this law? How many business owners felt they needed the right/ability to claim they would not serve a gay couple based on their religious beliefs?

I didn't think it would be a handful and when it comes to a Pizzeria with a owner named O'Connor who won't cater gay weddings...I think we are reaching to find the culprit.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
So your experience is everything that happens in the world? That is what you're implying with a post such as this and your previous posts. I've shown your statement "The words 'pizza' and 'catering' are mutually exclusive." to be absolutely wrong and your experience "I have never heard of anybody having a wedding catered with pizza." to be seriously lacking. And yet you continue to double down on it. Not surprised I guess. :shrug:
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Again, the only thing here lacking here is what you want to believe.

You don't want to serve people whose lifestyles you detest, then don't go into business and cry about it.

If you want to only cater to people who you 'approve', then be prepared to have your business suffer for your views.

Stop crying and whining about the rules when you chose to open a business and play the game.

Your braying here sounds exactly like George Wallace complaining about having to admit black students to white schools.

There were plenty of 'good Christians' who absolutely supported his views then, and some still have not got the message yet.
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
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The people calling for tolerance aren't calling for tolerance of bigotry
 
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Kal'Stang said:
What? Do you think that gay's don't like pizza or something? Yeah, you are definitely not an expert. So why say something so lacking in knowledge?

Personally I'm all for gays having a pizza party on their wedding day. To any business that wants to cater it. But I don't believe in forcing anyone to serve anyone else either. This is not the 1200's. We don't live a serf life.
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Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

Tell me... what is it?
 
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Blue_State said:
This thread is answering a question I have had for a few days. How many businesses are we really talking about in Indiana that are now being "protected" under this law? How many business owners felt they needed the right/ability to claim they would not serve a gay couple based on their religious beliefs? I didn't think it would be a handful and when it comes to a Pizzeria with a owner named O'Connor who won't cater gay weddings...I think we are reaching to find the culprit.
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Probably not very many. These people had some sort of agenda when they announced it. I'll bet most businesses don't care.
 
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Middleground said:
Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

Tell me... what is it?
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If I go to Walmart and buy a bat and then use it to bash in someone's skull, Walmart did not participate in the violence.

Right wing christians are so morally depraved that they will use their own religion to disguise their hatred as a "religious belief"
 
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Middleground said:
Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

Tell me... what is it?
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It is typical Christian judgement and hypocrisy is exactly what it is.

I personally don't agree with the same sex lifestyle, but it is not my place to judge, but God's.

I find it intriguing that some Christians think that their beliefs came from God's mouth to their ears.

I find it very hard to believe that Jesus Christ will hold a marginal Christian to a higher level than a marginal gay/lesbian who also did their best.

There are very few Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to the letter.

It sure doesn't keep some of those Christians from quickly passing judgement upon all other folks.
 
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SMTA said:
Again, the only thing here lacking here is what you want to believe.

You don't want to serve people whose lifestyles you detest, then don't go into business and cry about it.

If you want to only cater to people who you 'approve', then be prepared to have your business suffer for your views.

Stop crying and whining about the rules when you chose to open a business and play the game.

Your braying here sounds exactly like George Wallace complaining about having to admit black students to white schools.

There were plenty of 'good Christians' who absolutely supported his views then, and some still have not got the message yet.
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Sorry but just because someone opens up a business does not mean that their rights to religion or free association goes away. I know that you wish it were otherwise but that is just not the case.

As for the business suffering, that's the owner of the businesses choice isn't it? I know this might be a foreign concept to some people but not everyone opens up a business just to make money.

As for my "braying" I'm sure that you're well aware that I personally support SSM...right? I've got the posting history to prove it both here and in other forums. For instance, ask Hicup (who is against SSM) how much we debated SSM in the past via a PM.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE. And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.
 
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So a pizza shop, that's never catered a wedding makes this announcement, a flak ensues, place closes....


I smell a setup.... whether it was to make some news, or perhaps garner sympathy in a bankruptcy hearing. who knows. but something is fishy here.
 
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here's the biggest tragedy, some dude discovered the domain was available yet failed to set up his click farm correctly!!!!!


Repeal RFRA
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
So a pizza shop, that's never catered a wedding makes this announcement, a flak ensues, place closes....


I smell a setup.... whether it was to make some news, or perhaps garner sympathy in a bankruptcy hearing. who knows. but something is fishy here.
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Yep. This was too convenient. I said they had an agenda when they went down this path. I guess we'll find out sooner or later.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Yep. This was too convenient. I said they had an agenda when they went down this path. I guess we'll find out sooner or later.
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probably not, when the truth comes out, it will be far too unsexy to be news.
 
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Middleground said:
Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

Tell me... what is it?
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According to what I have heard of the Bible and how some Christians have explained it to me? Your closest choices there would be #1. But even that is wrong. According to Christians marriage is between a man and a woman. They get this from Adam and Eve and God marrying them. Combine that with the Bible being against homosexuality. Now combine that with such passages as the one about consorting with witches and medians (if done then you go to hell). Now...what do you have when all combined?

Basically by providing their services for something that is supposed to be (in their eyes) just be between a man and a woman it is showing that they are accepting sin. That they are promoting sin by "helping" it along. By providing a means to contribute to it.
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
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that isn't how tolerance works or did you not know that:roll:
these people that spout tolerance don't even know the definition of tolerance.
they have distorted the definition into something else.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
So you wouldn't say the same exact things if that pizzeria were in say....New York? Come now, we both know darn well that you would be saying the same thing. Whether or not this pizzeria actually does do weddings or not, or what size the town is doesn't matter in the slightest to you. So you can stop trying to make this about this one single company in order to backtrack.
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Look, you dunno the diff between actual discrimination and *criticism*

Why would i, how could i, bother to boycott a shanty town pizza joint that refuses to serve me anyway and is 500 miles away?

But the one thing i can do is condemn them for their *hateful attitude*, and you aren't going to stop me
 
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Which is worse, suggesting that your pizza is not for teh geigh weddings, or threatening to burn someones place down?

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sangha said:
If I go to Walmart and buy a bat and then use it to bash in someone's skull, Walmart did not participate in the violence.

Right wing christians are so morally depraved that they will use their own religion to disguise their hatred as a "religious belief"
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I have been a Catholic all of my life - in spite of the Catholic Church.

At a sermon several months ago, our priest, who I know very well, gave a homily trashing the gay lifestyle (in spite of the Church's mantra of being open and accepting of the lifestyle, while not agreeing with it).

He claimed that the children of same sex parents were at a severe disadvantage when compared to children raised by one parent.

Given the vast difference in the numbers existing of those two family types, his assertion was total bull****.

My daughter leaned over and asked me if I believed his comments, and I told her that I did not, and there was no point in trying to argue the point with him, as I know him well.

In spite of the Church's official of tempered acceptance, they just can't get over the fact that it just pisses them off.

Given the pathetic history of the Church accepting the child abuse of priests by ignoring it, the hypocrisy is absolutely stunning.

I find Christian hypocrisy ridiculous.
 
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“We said we would serve anyone that came in that door, even gays,” Crystal told The Blaze. “But we would not condone a wedding. We would not cater to that.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/donors-raise-cash-indiana-pizza-shop-gay-marriage-slap-article-1.2170564





KILL HER!!!!!
 
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