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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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Insulting is a sign of desperation and weakness.

If you feel insulted because your posts are long and boring, may I suggest you learn how to write posts that aren't long and boring?

The "screaming" began when the left completely mis-interpreted an already stupid law, and incited an internet frenzy. For once accept responsibility for the bigoted and hateful response against these innocent people.

And yet, the law was changed and doesn't discriminate against sexual orientation.

Condoning with silence the death threats received only reveals the innate dishonesty that created the concept of "tortured language" to fool the nation. This shows no signs of that abject dishonesty fading any time soon

Condoning? Who condoned anything? Lol.
 
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The pizza place hasn't been sued, hasn't been fined, hasn't been boycotted, hasn't been threatened or picketed or anything that would actually force them to close. They're just milking this controversy for more attention and trying to play the victim. And apparently it's working. The article said that people giving these jerks money.
At Memories Pizza, New Threats Arise; Press's Determination to Ignore Them Continues (See Update)

Indiana pizza shop owners in hiding as donations pour in
 
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Sometimes, a person's conscience is no better than dog****, as in the case of people who so terribly want to discriminate against the demographic of their ire.

How true. How true.

A gay patron can sue a Christian store owner for refusing specialized services and win while a gay store owner can refuse the same services to a Christian patron and get off scott free.
 
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Sometimes, a person's conscience is no better than dog****, as in the case of people who so terribly want to discriminate against the demographic of their ire.

So what if it is? That doesn't mean their dog **** view is not their right to hold and act on.
 
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lol @ not having a response to this obvious fact.

Yes, there is no reason to respond to that nonsense. If the other party is not willing to engage in the commerce it doesn't matter how much you want to engage in it yourself. If the other party says no then you're **** out of luck.
 
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Actually, if your patronage is turned down, that is indeed the free market

wrong, in the free market, the price of goods at equilibrium.
are subject to the laws of supply and demand. when you artificially restrict supply or demand, it is no longer a free market.
 
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No. They refused to make him a specialized cake that they don't normally make. They did not refuse him service on the basis of him being gay. Find a video of a Christian being denied service by a gay vendor, just for being Christian, and you'd have a valid comparison.

Welcome to the double standard, folks!
 
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wrong, in the free market, the price of goods at equilibrium.
are subject to the laws of supply and demand. when you artificially restrict supply or demand, it is no longer a free market.

People deciding on their own free will to not trade with others is hardly artificial.

Btw, you want to look up the term free market.
 
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Bull ****, I have to deal with people of extreme faith all the time. Ayn Radian libertarians are the worst with the Jesus freaks coming in as a close second.
That appears to be a non sequitur
 
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How true. How true.

A gay patron can sue a Christian store owner for refusing specialized services and win while a gay store owner can refuse the same services to a Christian patron and get off scott free.

And this happened when?
 
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How true. How true.

A gay patron can sue a Christian store owner for refusing specialized services and win while a gay store owner can refuse the same services to a Christian patron and get off scott free.

That's only true if you ignore that religion is a protected class. So no. They REALLY wouldn't get off Scott free.
 
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Welcome to the double standard, folks!

Really. So in your mind, you can go to a Muslim deli and demand a ham sandwich even though he doesn't carry ham. Is that right?
 
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Interesting. Taking the intent of that particular message to its logical conclusion, what the free market is signaling to lgbt's is "We don't like your kind 'round here."
That's poor logic, aka a a straw man. One some merchants choose to do is not the same as what the free market signals. And when a merchant chooses not to provide a service or product for a same sex wedding, that does not indicate the free market saying, "We don't like your kind 'round here."
 
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That's only true if you ignore that religion is a protected class. So no. They REALLY wouldn't get off Scott free.

Although you're absolutely right, if every other thread on this topic anything is go by, he's probably citing a case that isn't actually discrimination.
 
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Sometimes, a person's conscience is no better than dog****, as in the case of people who so terribly want to discriminate against the demographic of their ire.
Despite the error in that sentiment, freedom allows people have consciences that might be offensive to others
 
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If the customer said "I'd like to order 50 pizzas for my gay wedding?"

The lady said in store orders they will fulfill, but they will not cater a gay wedding. That means go there with the food.

She was very specific about all in store orders being fulfilled.
 
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Despite the error in that sentiment, freedom allows people have consciences that might be offensive to others

Although you and I come from across a wide aisle in our politics, even you and I can agree that there are people who's consciences are better left unfollowed.
 
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Really. So in your mind, you can go to a Muslim deli and demand a ham sandwich even though he doesn't carry ham. Is that right?

So you are saying that you can't order a cake from those bakeries? The bakers sure seemed ready to take his cake order until he explained what he wanted on it.
 
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So you are saying that you can't contract a cake from those bakeries?

So based on your question, you would say that the Muslim deli should make you a ham sandwich because their product is "sandwiches," correct?
 
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Really. So in your mind, you can go to a Muslim deli and demand a ham sandwich even though he doesn't carry ham. Is that right?
If you wanted the Muslims deli to send messages with his product with which he doesn't agree he would have every right to say no, and would gain wide public support. If you insisted a Muslim bakery decorate a cake with Gay men holding hands and explained it was for their marriage celebration, they would likely say no as well.

Would you accept their decision and find another bakery or would you want them shut down and hounded out of business, as happened to the Christian family?
 
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So based on your question, you would say that the Muslim deli should make you a ham sandwich because their product is "sandwiches," correct?

So you are saying that that Muslim bakery doesn't make cakes?
 
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I watched the video and no one was denied business for being a homosexual.

OK for this time, and this time only, I will do your work for you.

At 2:13, 2:21, 2:36, 2:50, and 3:19

All refused him a cake and sent him somewhere else.

That last guy wouldn't even write anything on top of a cake, he just didn't want to.

Did you really not see any of that?
 
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Although you're absolutely right, if every other thread on this topic anything is go by, he's probably citing a case that isn't actually discrimination.

I hope it's not this one:

Fmr. FedEx Worker Wins Faith Discrimination Case - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

A federal judge has ruled in favor of a former FedEx employee in a religious discrimination lawsuit.

Eric Weathers sued the shipping company after they banned him from discussing his faith and Bible-based degree at work.

Or this one:

Christian student wins appeal in discrimination case against university | Deseret News

A university that expelled a Christian graduate student from its counseling program because she refused to affirm homosexual relationships may have violated her Constitutional rights, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today.

Or this one:

Christian Prof. Wins Lawsuit Against NC University Over Free Speech Rights

A North Carolina jury has decided in favor of a conservative professor of criminology who claimed that his academic institution denied him a promotion for ideological reasons.

The jury ruled Thursday in favor of Mike Adams, who back in 2006 was denied a promotion to a full professorship by the University of North Carolina – Wilmington.

Saying that anybody who discriminates against Christians would get off scott free is absolutely absurd.
 
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If you wanted the Muslims deli to send messages with his product with which he doesn't agree he would have every right to say no, and would gain wide public support. If you insisted a Muslim bakery decorate a cake with Gay men holding hands and explained it was for their marriage celebration, they would likely say no as well.

Would you accept their decision and find another bakery or would you want them shut down and hounded out of business, as happened to the Christian family?

Let me answer that by touching on my own career. If you want a portrait done in a certain style, you shop around by going to different websites and seeing what genres and styles you can expect if you commission a particular artist. Now, I can always ask him to go outside his comfort zone for me, but I have to expect and be okay with the possibilities that he will not choose to do so (I've turned down a client for this reason myself). But it isn't me he's turning down, but the product I asked him to make. That's what you and everybody else here holding your position have such a terribly difficult time understanding: Discrimination doesn't refer to the product/service being requested, but the identity of the customer doing the requesting.
 
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