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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Is being a teenage boy sinful? I don't know. I have 3 of them. Was I supposed to eliminate them before they got to be teenagers?

Is being fat sinful? Not sure. Ask the food police. They sure don't like obese people.

Lazy? Hell, everyone's too lazy these days. I don't even write Christmas Cards anymore. I buy them preprinted with our names on them.

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

It has always seemed odd to me that I had more free time prior to all the "labor-saving" devices I now own. I figure it's the internet's fault. It seems to make the clock hands move faster! Weird, huh? :lamo:
 
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Dont be foolish. There are more than a few that weep and wail and gnash their teeth at any and everyone that dares to not cave and capitulate

That sounds like a good description of the bigoted christians.
 
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Sure you did. You said such a govt would be illegitimate.

The word has a meaning.

It is not legitimate use of government force to use the guns of government against one's freedom and liberty. But it can be done, and it can be called for, endorsed, and implemented. We've seen it many many times throughout the history of mankind. It's just a true statement. I'm not saying you cannot desire illegitimate government force, or even have good intentions with it; but it doesn't change the nature. And you can have all the illegitimate government force you want so long as you leave me out of it. People can have any government they want, but if you make on based on illegitimate government force, it's likely not going to end in any sort of happy place.
 
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The personality of God......

A wise scholar once said to me "God created us in his own image, and we immediately returned the favor." How we limit God, make him smaller, human and "mistake" prone "why does God allow evil? He is so cruel."

We forget we are the evil, if He were to get rid of all sinners, you and I are screwed, and I'm not sure about you. God does not punish, that is a quality of man, "revenge is mine, says the Lord" means no. What bothers me most is that the Bible is taken literally in all cases as "the word of God" and somehow this is law. There are only ten handed down by God, the rest is man made, circumcision is a man made rite like Holy Communion, stuff we invent to make us feel more holy.

But Jesus forgave his disciples as he handed them his blood and his wine, said nothing about priests, and later mischievously and lovingly toyed with Peter after the latter had denied him three times. There was no "You're dead meat now Pete" in there but a mysterious "Feed my sheep".

We get God wrong a lot, all of us, in history and in the Bible, a lot of those verses calling for war are not words spoken by God, but spoken of God by a desperate people with no land of their own and enemies on all sides. It has taken a thousand years to get some of the Church out of the middle ages mind set, some still have to have priests in women's clothes and statues dripping with blood. The truth is we need none of it, and we should know that.

So it we can't agree or even get right how to love this guy, how in the world can anyone ever be sure they know what is God's plan?

We fundamentally can't know or understand God's plan. We've been given all that our understanding can contemplate - the rest we must accommodate with faith. God is available to all humankind - that no priest or minister is required.
 
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You have protections for your religion. As have in Canada.
But it stops when you are practicing discriminating while in business.
Your problem is that you believe business should be able to practice discrimination, based upon their personal religious beliefs.
The Constitution does indeed protect the exercise of religion while operating a business. Any law to the contrary is unconstitutional
 
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It is not legitimate use of government force to use the guns of government against one's freedom and liberty.

Yes, when the govt uses a power the people agreed to give them, it's against freedom and liberty

because people can make any agreement they want, unless it's an agreement to form a govt the libertarian authoritarians don't like.
 
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So, have we got a verdict yet?



DOES the pizza joint serve fat people, or lazy people, or teenage boys, etc?
According to the owners, they serve everyone
 
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Yes, when the govt uses a power the people agreed to give them, it's against freedom and liberty

because people can make any agreement they want, unless it's an agreement to form a govt the libertarian authoritarians don't like.

Sometimes, yes, tyranny of the majority, mob rule; these things do exist. Do you deny that?
 
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Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.

Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
 
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Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
That's still tyranny
 
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Yes, when the govt uses a power the people agreed to give them, it's against freedom and liberty

because people can make any agreement they want, unless it's an agreement to form a govt the libertarian authoritarians don't like.

:lamo
 
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That's still tyranny

You obviously don't know the definition of tyranny or even what it looks like.
 
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You obviously don't know the definition of tyranny or even what it looks like.

So what do you call it?
 
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Is being a teenage boy sinful? I don't know. I have 3 of them. Was I supposed to eliminate them before they got to be teenagers?
If they are at all typical, they are lustful, so yes, they are sinful, and by the measure vocally being applied by this pizza joint, and that bakery, are unworthy of service.
Is being fat sinful? Not sure. Ask the food police. They sure don't like obese people.
Food police? No. Gluttony is a deadly sin. Perhaps a better understanding of your own religion is in order...? You DO know why they were reffered to as deadly sins, right?
Lazy? Hell, everyone's too lazy these days. I don't even write Christmas Cards anymore. I buy them preprinted with our names on them.

Then I hope you don't plan on patronizing this pizza joint anytime in the future, because they, by consistency, must deny you service.
 
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So what do you call it?

I call it public accommodation. If you want to have your business open to the public, then it has to be open to everyone, not just people who you like. If you want to only serve certain people, then buy up some land and you'll have some private property in which you can discriminate until the cows come home.
 
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You obviously don't know the definition of tyranny or even what it looks like.
We're seeing it creep into our lives every day
 
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Sorry to hear you believe that lie

By the owner's own personal admission, it's not a lie.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

By the owner's own personal admission, it's not a lie.
Apparently you ignored what the owner actually said, so yes, it's a lie
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I call it public accommodation. If you want to have your business open to the public, then it has to be open to everyone, not just people who you like. If you want to only serve certain people, then buy up some land and you'll have some private property in which you can discriminate until the cows come home.

Aren't you an anarchist though? Hmmm...it seems weird an anarchist would support statist policy like public accommodations.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Apparently you ignored what the owner actually said, so yes, it's a lie

Owner said he wouldn't serve pizza at a gay wedding reception.

With the implication being he WOULD serve pizza at a non gay wedding reception.


I got that right? Do you require a cliffs notes to keep up? No shame in that, lots of people do, you know...
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Owner said he wouldn't serve pizza at a gay wedding reception.

With the implication being he WOULD serve pizza at a non gay wedding reception.


I got that right? Do you require a cliffs notes to keep up? No shame in that, lots of people do, you know...

The pizza there sucked. In many years of business, they only got two, countem two Yelp reviews.

I doubt anyone would ever buy their pizza for a wedding (who has pizza for a wedding anyhow?)

They don't cater, and they've never served weddings.
 
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Aren't you an anarchist though? Hmmm...it seems weird an anarchist would support statist policy like public accommodations.

You seem not to understand that anarchism has a social aspect and is about abolishing all oppressive social structures such as racism, homophobia, and the like. You should do yourself a favor and read up on anarchism so you can actually know what you are talking about.

We're seeing it creep into our lives every day

Yes, however public accommodation is not it.
 
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You seem not to understand that anarchism has a social aspect and is about abolishing all oppressive social structures such as racism, homophobia, and the like. You should do yourself a favor and read up on anarchism so you can actually know what you are talking about.

So what? This a law that forces people to serve others. How does the underlining workings of the law appeal to anyone opposed to the state?

You also can't abolish bigotry without coercion, so yeah.
 
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