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Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

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Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

I find this interesting as her diary had a huge impact on me when I was a kid.

It uses archives from the Red Cross, the International Tracing Service and the Bergen-Belsen Memorial, together with "as many eyewitness testimonies and survivors as possible."
Four survivors reported that Anne and Margot showed symptoms of typhus by late January 1945.
"Most deaths of typhus occur around 12 days after the first symptoms appeared," the new study said, quoting the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment.
"It is therefore unlikely that they survived until the end of March," the Anne Frank House said.
 
Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

I find this interesting as her diary had a huge impact on me when I was a kid.

Interesting! Glad you shared this. I've always been fascinated with her story and the diary also had a big impact on me. I think I read it first when I was 12 or so.

You know, it would actually have been a good thing for her if she did die sooner than believed. Typhus is an absolutely horrific disease, and the separation from everyone except for Margot, the trauma of the years before the capture as well as the capture itself, all of it...it wasn't worth living. The story always was that Margot died first and she was alone, albeit briefly. I actually hope they died within a very short time of each other.
 
Yeah I know I will criticized for this post, but I never really liked The Dairy of Anne Frank nor really cared that much for her story. I have never gotten how revered that whole scene is.
 
Yeah I know I will criticized for this post, but I never really liked The Dairy of Anne Frank nor really cared that much for her story. I have never gotten how revered that whole scene is.

I was never too impressed by it either. I tend to always be weak on emotional responses, though.
 
Yeah I know I will criticized for this post, but I never really liked The Dairy of Anne Frank nor really cared that much for her story. I have never gotten how revered that whole scene is.

Didn't Meyer Levin write it and sue Otto Frank over it winning $50,000.00. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
 
Yeah I know I will criticized for this post, but I never really liked The Dairy of Anne Frank nor really cared that much for her story. I have never gotten how revered that whole scene is.



A major part of its importance was that it put a human face on the unfathomably vast horror that was the Holocaust; in particular, the face of an innocent and harmless young girl who would end up dead at 15 for no other reason that being born Jewish.

For that reason alone it's importance in history cannot be understated.
 
You're right, Goshin. Anne Frank was a young girl like so many others with the same hopes and dreams we most have, and that's why millions and millions of readers have identified with her. She was just transitioning from childhood into young womanhood and feeling the stirrings of her sexuality, and she had not yet learned how to hate.
 
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Going to say this one time: Don't Be A Jerk in this thread. I've got no patience for it tonight. If nothing else show a little gorram respect for the dead.
 
A major part of its importance was that it put a human face on the unfathomably vast horror that was the Holocaust; in particular, the face of an innocent and harmless young girl who would end up dead at 15 for no other reason that being born Jewish.

For that reason alone it's importance in history cannot be understated.

It wasn't published until 2 years after the war ended and there were far more interesting stories of Holocaust victims and survivors, but some people are just more into toeing the line with politically correct interpretations of propaganda pieces than others. It is a boring story even as far the Holocaust goes.
 
I saw the movie when I was younger and I put it right up there with schindlers list.

both very detailed stories of life under Nazi Germany and what people went through and the horror that was brought on them and their families.
for absolutely no reason at all other than a persons delusional rant.

it is an atrocity that should never ever be repeated.
 
It wasn't published until 2 years after the war ended and there were far more interesting stories of Holocaust victims and survivors, but some people are just more into toeing the line with politically correct interpretations of propaganda pieces than others. It is a boring story even as far the Holocaust goes.



I'll grant you that the diary of a young girl hidden in an attic for two years isn't the most compelling reading. In the diary itself there isn't a lot that happens that could be termed "exciting" or even too very dramatic. When I read it myself I thought a good bit of it was rather tedious.

But even so, the overall impact of getting to know a young girl as a real person (through her diary) and realizing that her young life was cut short by that atrocity has had an impact on possibly hundreds of millions of people. I remember in class when we were reading the book, and someone asked "Well what happened to Anne Frank anyway? Did she get away?" and the teacher shook her head and said "No. Her family was caught and taken to a Nazi death camp, and Anne Frank died there at the age of 15."

For a long moment, it was quiet enough you could hear a pin drop, as that sank in.
 
I'll grant you that the diary of a young girl hidden in an attic for two years isn't the most compelling reading. In the diary itself there isn't a lot that happens that could be termed "exciting" or even too very dramatic. When I read it myself I thought a good bit of it was rather tedious.

But even so, the overall impact of getting to know a young girl as a real person (through her diary) and realizing that her young life was cut short by that atrocity has had an impact on possibly hundreds of millions of people. I remember in class when we were reading the book, and someone asked "Well what happened to Anne Frank anyway? Did she get away?" and the teacher shook her head and said "No. Her family was caught and taken to a Nazi death camp, and Anne Frank died there at the age of 15."

For a long moment, it was quiet enough you could hear a pin drop, as that sank in.

And that is what makes it a propaganda piece. Children are forced to read it in school before they really have to read any other stories dealing with deaths of a major character. The person whose story I followed through the Holocaust Museum in those little books they give you to track a person as you move through the exhibit was far more interesting a story, and they lived. In the end, it is part of an effort that does a disservice to the true story of the Holocaust by trying to paint Jews as the only victims people think about when people think about the Holocaust.
 
I never read her diary but what interests me about the Anne Frank story is that they never found out who betrayed the family to the Nazis- its a mystery that will probably never be solved- like Jack The Ripper.
 
And that is what makes it a propaganda piece. Children are forced to read it in school before they really have to read any other stories dealing with deaths of a major character. The person whose story I followed through the Holocaust Museum in those little books they give you to track a person as you move through the exhibit was far more interesting a story, and they lived. In the end, it is part of an effort that does a disservice to the true story of the Holocaust by trying to paint Jews as the only victims people think about when people think about the Holocaust.
Since when is the truth 'propaganda'? All those who were victims of Germany's National Socialists may have had a story to tell and the world is grateful that a young girl had the brief opportunity to explain her life.

Although you have probably never heard of Viktor Frankl, he had another fascinating take on the National Socialist death camps and created an entirely new school of psychotherapy based on his experiences and insights developed there.

It seems, in your case, that propaganda is something you just don't want to hear.
 
Since when is the truth 'propaganda'? All those who were victims of Germany's National Socialists may have had a story to tell and the world is grateful that a young girl had the brief opportunity to explain her life.

Although you have probably never heard of Viktor Frankl, he had another fascinating take on the National Socialist death camps and created an entirely new school of psychotherapy based on his experiences and insights developed there.

It seems, in your case, that propaganda is something you just don't want to hear.

Propaganda is what other people want you to hear, and you are a willing participant. Wonder why we don't hear much about the Russian victims. Did they deserve it because they were Russians? How about the gays? How about the Poles? Even the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is all about Jewish victims and scant on the other demographics. That is propaganda.
 
Propaganda is what other people want you to hear, and you are a willing participant.
Why would I want to hear of a young girl's diary? In fact I've never read the book or seen the movie but understand it as another example of how inhumane people can be. We see similar events taking place in the Middle East and Africa today.

Wonder why we don't hear much about the Russian victims.
In fact there are many books based on Russians suffering and dying under Communism, as well as Russian treatment of Poles, Jews, Germans, and so on.. Are you familiar with any of them?

Did they deserve it because they were Russians? How about the gays? How about the Poles? Even the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is all about Jewish victims and scant on the other demographics. That is propaganda.
How is it propaganda? It seems you are unclear on the meaning of the word.

It seems you know as little of the Holocaust Museum as you do about 'propaganda'. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
 
After watching the movie The Fault in Our Stars I became interested in the Ann Frank Story again.
( there was a part in the movie where they toured the secret annex )

I found this Short ( less than 5 minutes ) you tube video of a tour of the annex.
I found it quite interesting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=0SJgudCq540
 
After watching the movie The Fault in Our Stars I became interested in the Ann Frank Story again.
( there was a part in the movie where they toured the secret annex )

I found this Short ( less than 5 minutes ) you tube video of a tour of the annex.
I found it quite interesting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1&v=0SJgudCq540

Excellent thanks so much for sharing that Minnie. Very interesting!

I've never been to the Annex. Unfortunately last time I was in Amsterdam I was in my early 20s and more interested in other things. I want to go there.
 
I never read her diary but what interests me about the Anne Frank story is that they never found out who betrayed the family to the Nazis- its a mystery that will probably never be solved- like Jack The Ripper.

They always assumed it was one of the office workers but they were there for so long, it really could have been any number of people. It's probably too late for a deathbed confession at this point.
 
Excellent thanks so much for sharing that Minnie. Very interesting!

I've never been to the Annex. Unfortunately last time I was in Amsterdam I was in my early 20s and more interested in other things. I want to go there.
Was going to go, stayed nearby, but the line-ups were too long. Another regret.
 
They always assumed it was one of the office workers but they were there for so long, it really could have been any number of people. It's probably too late for a deathbed confession at this point.

Here is a short ( one page ) article that lists a few of the workers who may have turned them in.
And as this paragraph tells , it could have just been a person in the neighborhood who became aware that it looked like people might be living in the " warehouse".

As the period of hiding went on for longer, the hiders became less careful. Curtains were opened beyond just a crack, rooftop windows inadvertently stayed open, accidental noises became more frequent, and so on. All in all, the visible evidence mounted for the world outside that there were people in the building after office hours. People in the outside world may quite innocently have mentioned this in conversation, which could have been overheard by the wrong persons. In this scenario, the name of the night watchman Martin Sleegers plays a prominent role. Following the report of a burglary in the premises in April 1944, he and a police officer went to investigate. They actually fumbled with the bookcase that hid the entrance to the Secret Annex. Anne describes this burglary in her diary entry of April 11, 1944. There is no concrete evidence that Sleegers betrayed the hiders. While it is a fact Sleegers knew the NSB member Gringhuis (who was present at the arrest), this in itself does not constitute proof.

Read more :

Miep Gies :: The betrayal
 
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