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‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

So does Obama.
This isn't about Obama or his academic achievement as it certainly wasn't about her academic achievement either.

It was about her work experience prior to a possible run, of which Obama's prior experience before running does not even compare.
 
:doh
No she didn't.

Again.
I gave you the wiki link. You should have availed yourself of it.

Far more success.

AT&T and Lucent

She joined AT&T in 1980 as a management trainee and rose to become a senior vice president overseeing the company's hardware and systems division. In 1995, Fiorina led corporate operations for the spinoff from AT&T of Lucent, reporting to Lucent chief executive Henry B. Schacht;[11] she played a key role in planning and implementing the 1996 initial public offering of stock and company launch strategy.[12][13] Later in 1996, Fiorina was appointed president of Lucent's consumer products business, reporting to Rich McGinn, president and chief operating officer.[13] In 1997, she was appointed chair of Lucent's consumer communications joint venture with Philips consumer communications.[14] Later that year, she was named group president for the global service provider business at Lucent, overseeing marketing and sales for the company's largest customer segment.[15][16]

In 1998, Fortune magazine named her the "most powerful woman in business" in its inaugural listing, and she was included in the Time 100 in 2004 and remained in the Fortune listing throughout her tenure at HP. Fiorina was #10 on the Forbes list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women for 2004.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23] She became regarded by many as being the first woman to head up a Fortune 20 company, and to have overcome the metaphorical "glass ceiling".[24][25][26]




The fact that you don't understand the history of Bell Labs and its value to this country, is shocking.
:doh
Your wildly inaccurate assumptions of other people are what is shocking.


The irony that you are communicating that ignorance via a computer(or smartphone/tablet) , is beyond description.
No, the irony is you are the one communicating ignorance.
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Your wildly inaccurate assumptions of other people are what is shocking.


I don't have to assume anything about you; you showed it. You haven't shown 1 clue about understanding the history, present, and (lack of) future for basic research (which she killed)- the hallmark of Bell Labs, and the reason you have solid state transistors, and computer chips today. I linked to a nature article about it, you pasted a puff piece from wikipedia.

It's clear who is more informed on the topic.
 
‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina said Sunday that she is almost certain she will run for the GOP nomination for president.

Fiorina told “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace that there is a “very high” chance she will run, and followed it up by specifying that the probability is “higher than 90 percent.”

If she decides to run, Fiorina wants to wait until late April or early May to announce, she said.[COLOR="#0000oo"]

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‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president


Really?
:doh

How did Hewlett Packard fare on her watch?
 
How did Hewlett Packard fare on her watch?
Why are you asking me? I provided a link, why don't you read it.
I would say most folks already know, so again, why are you asking me?
 
Why are you asking me? I provided a link, why don't you read it.
I would say most folks already know, so again, why are you asking me?

It was a rhetorical question.
 
I don't have to assume anything about you; you showed it.
Wrong. Your biased imagination is getting the best of you and leads you to make false claims.

You said "several" and only produced one, one that we all know of.

And you continually ignore her clear success.
As previously provided.

I gave you the wiki link. You should have availed yourself of it.

Far more success.

AT&T and Lucent

She joined AT&T in 1980 as a management trainee and rose to become a senior vice president overseeing the company's hardware and systems division. In 1995, Fiorina led corporate operations for the spinoff from AT&T of Lucent, reporting to Lucent chief executive Henry B. Schacht;[11] she played a key role in planning and implementing the 1996 initial public offering of stock and company launch strategy.[12][13] Later in 1996, Fiorina was appointed president of Lucent's consumer products business, reporting to Rich McGinn, president and chief operating officer.[13] In 1997, she was appointed chair of Lucent's consumer communications joint venture with Philips consumer communications.[14] Later that year, she was named group president for the global service provider business at Lucent, overseeing marketing and sales for the company's largest customer segment.[15][16]

In 1998, Fortune magazine named her the "most powerful woman in business" in its inaugural listing, and she was included in the Time 100 in 2004 and remained in the Fortune listing throughout her tenure at HP. Fiorina was #10 on the Forbes list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women for 2004.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23] She became regarded by many as being the first woman to head up a Fortune 20 company, and to have overcome the metaphorical "glass ceiling".[24][25][26]


It's clear who is more informed on the topic.
Yes that would be you making irrelevant and false arguments.


You haven't shown 1 clue about understanding the history, present, and (lack of) future for basic research (which she killed)- the hallmark of Bell Labs, and the reason you have solid state transistors, and computer chips today. I linked to a nature article about it, you pasted a puff piece from wikipedia.
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Which she didn't kill.
Again your biased imagination is getting the best of you.

Puff piece? :doh iLOL Not.
They clearly state what happened at HP. A puff piece wouldn't do that.

Just stop with your exaggerated biased bs.
 
why is bell labs now owned by Alcatel, and why are they no longer doing basic research?
in what time frame did their financial decline begin, and when did they axe their basic research budget?


comeon, YOU know these things (so you claim). This shouldn't be hard to answer.
 
why is bell labs now owned by Alcatel, and why are they no longer doing basic research?
in what time frame did their financial decline begin, and when did they axe their basic research budget?


comeon, YOU know these things (so you claim). This shouldn't be hard to answer.
Oh gawd.
Here you are armchair quarterbacking and making another false claim :doh

She was not responsible for the split which changed the whole dynamics.

You are exaggerating because of your own biases.
Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.

Or do you not realize that that success was the reason she got the HP gig?
 
Oh gawd.
Here you are armchair quarterbacking and making another false claim :doh

She was not responsible for the split which changed the whole dynamics.

You are exaggerating because of your own biases.
Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.

Or do you not realize that that success was the reason she got the HP gig?


I didn't say she caused the split. If you are going to lie about what I said, we're done here.
 
I didn't say she caused the split. If you are going to lie about what I said, we're done here.
:doh
See, there is your bias getting in the way and causing an inability to comprehend what another has said, leading you again to make another false statement. Double d'oh! :doh :doh

And btw, false statements are technically lies, though I don't go as far as saying you are. So you should really watch yourself with that nonsense.
 
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See, there is your bias getting in the way and causing an inability to comprehend what another has said, leading you again to make another false statement. Double d'oh! :doh :doh

" She was not responsible for the split which changed the whole dynamics."

how else is this to be interpreted? obfuscate away
 
" She was not responsible for the split which changed the whole dynamics."

how else is this to be interpreted? obfuscate away
:doh
As a statement of fact.
The whole dynamics, especially in regards to funding was changed.

Again; Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.
 
:doh
As a statement of fact.
The whole dynamics, especially in regards to funding was changed.

Again; Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.


then why is Lucent owned by another company now? and why is Bell Labs not doing fundamental research anymore?
 
then why is Lucent owned by another company now? and why is Bell Labs not doing fundamental research anymore?
Pay attention to what was already said.

The whole dynamics, especially in regards to funding was changed.

Again; Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.

Do you or do you not realize that she got the HP gig because of her success with AT&T and Lucent?
If you can't recognize that, something is wrong.
Do you or do you not realize that she was repeatedly promoted during her tenure with AT&T and Lucent.
That doesn't happen at that level without success.
To say she wasn't successful when they recognize her success is just dumb.
 
Pay attention to what was already said.

The whole dynamics, especially in regards to funding was changed.

Again; Her career with AT&T and Lucent was successful as shown and the information you provided doesn't say otherwise.

Do you or do you not realize that she got the HP gig because of her success with AT&T and Lucent?
If you can't recognize that, something is wrong.
Do you or do you not realize that she was repeatedly promoted during her tenure with AT&T and Lucent.
That doesn't happen at that level without success.
To say she wasn't successful when they recognize her success is just dumb.


smh, I know YOU won't read this, since you insist on perma-ostriching,
but maybe someone else who is interested to learn, will

Carly Fiorina
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB981685594426264892

cue the "fortune/wsj liberal media wharrgarbl"...
 
smh, I know YOU won't read this, since you insist on perma-ostriching,
No I am shaking my head at your continued false claims,
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slapping my forehead, :slapme:

and sighing.
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There is nothing really to learn in either one.
The fortune opinion piece just supports the known information that she was successful at Lucent.

But it is funny how you decry factual and sourced information from Wiki as a puff piece, but are more than willing to accept "Whatever the exact extent of Fiorina’s role," as gospel to fuel your biased filled opinion of her. D'oh!

A "whatever" means absolutely nothing.



The wsj piece?
Nothing.

It clearly states the following.

The probe focuses on whether Lucent improperly booked $679 million in revenue during its 2000 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, according to people familiar with the investigation.

[...]

Carly Fiorina, now CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co., and formerly head of Lucent's global-services business and in charge of world-wide sales, left Lucent in July 1999, shortly before the beginning of the fiscal year that is involved in the continuing investigations."

That booking does not fall under her purview. D'oh!


For the bs you provided, you deserve another double D'oh! :doh :doh
 
She was a bad CEO. She ran HP into a ditch. Not qualified.
 
Fiorina isn't going to get anywhere near where she wants to with this and it's a waste of money. She hasn't been able to punch through the political system. Since her political experience is non-existent, she has to run on her business experience. However, her tenure at HP is lacking in inspiration at best, and at worst, was absolutely dreadful.

What's wrong with business experience versus political experience?
 
Yes. How many people won their party nomination the first time? I suspect, with the massive amounts of money in these campaigns any more, that it will become even more common to run the first time not to win, but to establish the campaign infrastructure that will be needed for later runs, to learn the process, to start building name recognition and establish a brand.

Most don't win it the first time.
 
Interviews with close to a dozen current and former HP employees reveal that nearly 10 years after being forced out of the firm, Fiorina remains a deeply polarizing figure. Her tenure, which coincided with the bursting of the dot-com bubble, was fraught with layoffs, leadership transitions and a controversial merger with Compaq that pitted Fiorina against members of the Hewlett and Packard families in an ugly public feud.

Now, Fiorina's public flirtation with a presidential campaign is reopening those old wounds and inviting new scrutiny of her management skills, which she is selling as one of her top assets.

Jason Burnett, the grandson of the late HP co-founder David Packard and a member of the board of trustees at the Packard Foundation, once HP's largest shareholder, said in an interview that Fiorina shouldn't work at any level of government.

Carly Fiorina's HP legacy looms over her 2016 ambitions - CNN.com
 
Interviews with close to a dozen current and former HP employees reveal that nearly 10 years after being forced out of the firm, Fiorina remains a deeply polarizing figure. Her tenure, which coincided with the bursting of the dot-com bubble, was fraught with layoffs, leadership transitions and a controversial merger with Compaq that pitted Fiorina against members of the Hewlett and Packard families in an ugly public feud.

Now, Fiorina's public flirtation with a presidential campaign is reopening those old wounds and inviting new scrutiny of her management skills, which she is selling as one of her top assets.

Jason Burnett, the grandson of the late HP co-founder David Packard and a member of the board of trustees at the Packard Foundation, once HP's largest shareholder, said in an interview that Fiorina shouldn't work at any level of government.

Carly Fiorina's HP legacy looms over her 2016 ambitions - CNN.com

Jason Burnett, who resigned from his job with the EPA to support Barack Obama for President. Jason Burnett, whose number one agenda as mayor of Carmel is making it green, reducing carbon emissions, etc. Jason Burnett, who was the darling of the left in 2008 for being a whistle blower on the Bush administration because of his job in the EPA. Jason Burnett, uber wealthy recipient of money inherited from his family connections. Jason Burnett, who according to an NY Times article on him in 2008 applauding him sharing secrets on the Bush administration, had contributed over $100,000 at 31 years old to Democratic politicians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/22enviro.html?_r=0

Yes, that guy isn't the least bit biased against a Republican politician, and we should take his word for it. Good enough for me!
 
Jason Burnett, who resigned from his job with the EPA to support Barack Obama for President. Jason Burnett, whose number one agenda as mayor of Carmel is making it green, reducing carbon emissions, etc. Jason Burnett, who was the darling of the left in 2008 for being a whistle blower on the Bush administration because of his job in the EPA. Jason Burnett, uber wealthy recipient of money inherited from his family connections. Jason Burnett, who according to an NY Times article on him in 2008 applauding him sharing secrets on the Bush administration, had contributed over $100,000 at 31 years old to Democratic politicians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/22enviro.html?_r=0

Yes, that guy isn't the least bit biased against a Republican politician, and we should take his word for it. Good enough for me!

Interviews with close to a dozen current and former HP employees reveal that nearly 10 years after being forced out of the firm, Fiorina remains a deeply polarizing figure. Her tenure, which coincided with the bursting of the dot-com bubble, was fraught with layoffs, leadership transitions and a controversial merger with Compaq that pitted Fiorina against members of the Hewlett and Packard families in an ugly public feud.

Well, it's not just Jason.
 
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