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US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

Kal'Stang said:
I'm not a part of the police force, yet I have the right to help enforce the laws in appropriate situations. This is no different.
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Your absurd comparison doesn't work in global politics. Does South Africa have a right to enforce NAFTA? It doesn't. Does Egypt have a right to enforce NATO? It doesn't. At this point, even the US would have a hard time demonstrating why it has a right to enforce the NTP given that its turned a blind eye to Israel's activities on the matter. What this document proves is what countries like India have been saying for a long time on the NTP. That it's subjective and can't clearly demonstrate why some countries get to have nuclear power and others don't.
 
Hatuey said:
How would you know anything about a Code Pink and Bill Ayers lecture? Been to any recently? Or have you been studying them like you've studied the jihad?
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Your lame personal attacks on me are well...lame

but continue... and yes Ive studied these subjects for many years.. your posts reflect someone who has not

"the jihad " is real
 
Fenton said:
All I've done throughout this thread is reported the facts.
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Except for the fact that I've defended Obama on this in any capacity. I have at no point done that. If anything, I've blamed him AND everyone else involved in this little bull**** secret we kept for nothing other than ****s and giggles. Keep trying. How do you feel about the US compromising its ethics to ensure that Israel has nuclear weapons?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Israel isn't a part of the NPT. It doesn't have to follow those guidelines. However it has every right to make sure that others that ARE signatory to the NPT DO follow it.
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wrong

israel, by refusing to be a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation agreement, has relinquished any right to assure signatories adhere to that agreement

if israel wants a seat at that table, it will have to sign the NPT and subject itself to the terms of said agreement
until it does that, it forfeits any right to be heard about the (in)actions of NPT signatories
 
Travis007 said:
Your lame personal attacks on me are well...lame

but continue... and yes Ive studied these subjects for many years.. your posts reflect someone who has not

"the jihad " is real
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Lol - so you can't tell us how you know what goes on at a Bill Ayers & Code Pink lecture? Wait... nvm, you said you're part of the 47%. I don't think you know what that means.
 
Hatuey said:
How would you know anything about a Code Pink and Bill Ayers lecture? Been to any recently? Or have you been studying them like you've studied the jihad?
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In time maybe these subject you will have better understanding of.. your posts reflect that you do not really understand this complex subject
 
justabubba said:
wrong

israel, by refusing to be a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation agreement, has relinquished any right to assure signatories adhere to that agreement

if israel wants a seat at that table, it will have to sign the NPT and subject itself to the terms of said agreement
until it does that, it forfeits any right to be heard about the (in)actions of NPT signatories
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Bingo. Why the US even listened to Israel for the last 15 years is beyond me.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol - so you can't tell us how you know what goes on at a Bill Ayers & Code Pink lecture? Wait... nvm, you said you're part of the 47%. I don't think you know what that means.
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do you not know what Code Pink and Ayers political goals are?.. we can discuss that .. but not in this thread as it will take it off the base topic
 
Fenton said:
He's not acting Presidential.

Kind of the point of the thread.
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The thread has deceptively accused Obama when in fact an investigative journalist sued for FOIA release of this information.
 
Travis007 said:
do you not know what Code Pink and Ayers political goals are?.. we can discuss that .. but not in this thread as it will take it off the base topic
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Travis, you already said you're part of the 47%. I already know how you know all of these things. :lol:
 
Hatuey said:
Bingo. Why the US even listened to Israel for the last 15 years is beyond me.
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you may want to bone up on the special relationship between the USA and Israel..
Rubio had a great speech on it.. its a good watch and may help you to understand..

why the Obama USA is listening to Iran for 15 minutes is beyond me.

whats next ISIS as special guests of Obama in the Rose Garden?
 
Hatuey said:
Travis, you already said you're part of the 47%. I already know how you know all of these things. :lol:
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I do.. what you think is moot to me....
 
Montecresto said:
The thread has deceptively accused Obama when in fact an investigative journalist sued for FOIA release of this information.
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took Obama a year to produce his birth certificate.. funny how Obama works..
 
Travis007 said:
you may want to bone up on the special relationship between the USA and Israel..
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What is that about entangling alliances? Yeah, after this, I'm starting to believe it's the best course of action. At least with Israel. We avoid looking like hypocrites.
 
Travis007 said:
I do.. what you think is moot to me....
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Lmao.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-47-percent-americans-pay-no-income-tax/

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.
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You've finally admitted you're an Obama voter. Glad to hear.
 
Hatuey said:
Your absurd comparison doesn't work in global politics. Does South Africa have a right to enforce NAFTA? It doesn't. Does Egypt have a right to enforce NATO? It doesn't. At this point, even the US would have a hard time demonstrating why it has a right to enforce the NTP given that its turned a blind eye to Israel's activities on the matter. What this document proves is what countries like India have been saying for a long time on the NTP. That it's subjective and can't clearly demonstrate why some countries get to have nuclear power and others don't.
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Bad comparisons. NATO is an organization. Not a treaty. NAFTA has to do with North America. No where near Israel and doesn't affect them in the slightest. However the NPT does affect Israel as far as the ME goes. They don't have a right to rule on anything regarding the NPT. But they most certainly do have a right to voice and pressure for enforcement of it in their area. Just as you and I have a right to voice and pressure our representatives on laws.
 
justabubba said:
wrong

israel, by refusing to be a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation agreement, has relinquished any right to assure signatories adhere to that agreement

if israel wants a seat at that table, it will have to sign the NPT and subject itself to the terms of said agreement
until it does that, it forfeits any right to be heard about the (in)actions of NPT signatories
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do we allow UN inspections here in the USA?
 
Hatuey said:
Except for the fact that I've defended Obama on this in any capacity. I have at no point done that. If anything, I've blamed him AND everyone else involved in this little bull**** secret we kept for nothing other than ****s and giggles. Keep trying. How do you feel about the US compromising its ethics to ensure that Israel has nuclear weapons?
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Yes you have.

Making light of this is defending Obama and thats all you've done in this thread.
 
justabubba said:
wrong

israel, by refusing to be a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation agreement, has relinquished any right to assure signatories adhere to that agreement

if israel wants a seat at that table, it will have to sign the NPT and subject itself to the terms of said agreement
until it does that, it forfeits any right to be heard about the (in)actions of NPT signatories
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You can say that I'm wrong all that you want. Doesn't mean that you are actually right. Israel has a Right to its own self defense. Making sure that the NPT is enforced is a part of that defense.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Bad comparisons. NATO is an organization. Not a treaty.
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NATO is based on a ****ing treaty. It is enforced THROUGH that treaty. Your splitting of hairs really is absurd.

NATO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO /ˈneɪtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique Nord; OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance based on the North Atlantic Treaty which was signed on 4 April 1949. The organization constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. NATO's headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium, one of the 28 member states across North America and Europe, the newest of which, Albania and Croatia, joined in April 2009. An additional 22 countries participate in NATO's Partnership for Peace program, with 15 other countries involved in institutionalized dialogue programmes. The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70 percent of the global total.[4] Members' defense spending is supposed to amount to 2 percent of GDP.[5]
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NAFTA has to do with North America.
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Yes and the NTP concerns PARTIES who signed it, not non-signatories. So what Iran does with its nuclear program is of no concern to Israel. That this point went so far over your head is incredible.

No where near Israel and doesn't affect them in the slightest. However the NPT does affect Israel as far as the ME goes. They don't have a right to rule on anything regarding the NPT. But they most certainly do have a right to voice and pressure for enforcement of it in their area.
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As has been stated already, if you don't sign the treaty, you don't get a seat at the table to pressure anyone about anything if you didn't sign the treaty.

Just as you and I have a right to voice and pressure our representatives on laws.
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You and I get to voice and pressure our representatives on laws BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE DAMN COUNTRY AND PAY TAXES. Israel is a non-signatory to the treaty and has had no role in its draft or for that matter anything even remotely concerned with upholding it for itself.
 
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Fenton said:
Yes you have.

Making light of this is defending Obama and thats all you've done in this thread.
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Show the post where I've made "light of this" and defended Obama. I can wait.
 
Montecresto said:
The thread has deceptively accused Obama when in fact an investigative journalist sued for FOIA release of this information.
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1: Last I knew not all FOIA requests have to be complied with. Particularly when national security is at stake. And ensuring that our allies are able to trust us is a pretty compelling national security reasoning.

2: Didn't the Obama admin just recently essentially state that they will no longer comply with the FOIA? And that the court backs them up in this ability? Answer: Yep ~ White House office to delete its FOIA regulations Funny how it decided to adhere to it on this particular subject and yet........
 
Hatuey said:
That would be fine if Israeli opposition wasn't against a nuclear Iran period. Pretending that it isn't makes you look detached from reality at this point.
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What are you talking about?

There is hypocrisy in trying to get it to abide by treaties that you aren't even a member of.
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Not really, there would be hypocrisy if Israel was signed on the NPT and was in violation of it, as it is your argument for hypocrisy is holding no water.

Your hyperbole is absurd. The entire Arab world has had ample time to blow Israel out of the sky and it hasn't.
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Again, no idea what you're talking about.
 
Hatuey said:
What is that about entangling alliances? Yeah, after this, I'm starting to believe it's the best course of action. At least with Israel. We avoid looking like hypocrites.
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by giving Iran the bomb?.... well played Obama.. well played
 
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