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US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

Gill said:
Didn't stop him from interfering in Egypt, Libya, Syria, or Yemen.
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No, unfortunately it didn't, and I've been a huge critic of that, too! See, I'm consistent.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, that is whole point of foreign aid. We provide foreign aid for 2 reasons:

1. Disaster relief.

Or.

2. To get what we want.

We fully support Israel at the U.N., provide them with all sorts of military aid, and have their back should they be attacked. Just because we are not willing to start yet another war for them and protentially expend thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for a war in Iran does not mean that all of a sudden we are treating the country like ****.
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And what do we want from Israel?
 
Montecresto said:
Because they got to vote, does not make a democracy! Are you unaware of all the things that form a democracy?
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Yep, I'm sure it takes time, but Obama scuttled any chance for that budding Democracy to take shape, didn't he ?

Your Bush obsession wont allow you to acknowledge this, but giving people who were once at the mercy of a sadistic Dictator the opportunity to participate in a Democratic process is a substantial accomplishment.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, I'm sure it takes time, but Obama scuttled any chance for that budding Democracy to take shape, didn't he ?

Your Bush obsession wont allow you to acknowledge this, but giving people who were once at the mercy of a sadistic Dictator the opportunity to participate in a Democratic process is a substantial accomplishment.
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Except that it can't be done. And **** your pretension about US benevolence. When it's in "US interests" to do so, it's had no problem overthrowing liberal democracies and replacing them with right wing dictators.
 
This has really nothing to do with Obama. Nice try though.

It's Official: The Pentagon Finally Admitted That Israel Has Nuclear Weapons, Too
While the Washington press corps obsessed over Hillary Clinton's emails at the State Department, reporters were missing a far more important story about government secrets. After five decades of pretending otherwise, the Pentagon has reluctantly confirmed that Israel does indeed possess nuclear bombs, as well as awesome weapons technology similar to America's.

Early last month the Department of Defense released a secret report done in 1987 by the Pentagon funded Institute for Defense Analysis that essentially confirms the existence of Israel's nukes. DOD was responding to a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by Grant Smith, an investigative reporter and author who heads the Institute for Research: Middle East Policy. Smith said he thinks this is the first time the US government has ever provided official recognition of the longstanding reality.
 
Fenton said:
Not really the point is it ?

This was a childish and pointless thing to do.

This is Obama....AGAIN...throwing a temper tantrum instead of acting like a adult and a Leader.

You people defend him but why is beyond me. Even if you agree with his Policies how can you defend this ?
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this was payback
no longer does israel have plausible deniability about its nuclear weapons capability
now sign the NPT israel, or shut the **** up about iran seeking its own nuclear weapons to establish military parity
 
brothern said:
That's actually kinda of interesting if you think of it. The US and Israel are really the only two countries preventing Palestine from becoming a UN member.
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make no mistake
the residents of the middle east know this
the genesis of osama bin laden's fatwas against the USA
 
Montecresto said:
Except that it can't be done. And **** your pretension about US benevolence. When it's in "US interests" to do so, it's had no problem overthrowing liberal democracies and replacing them with right wing dictators.
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You have NO idea whether or not it CAN BE DONE.

Like I said, it was scuttled by by the current Presidents STOOPID Foreign Policy decision to pull out ALL American Military assets.

I can base my opinion on the verifiable fact that Iraqi's went from a brutal dictator to being allowed to participate in their own elections

What do you base your opinion on ?

Oh I know, its based on a irrational obsession with the manufactured evils of America and the last President.

Your opinion isn't worth the bandwidth you just wasted posting it.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Right now that would be to not actively work against any negotiations we have in process with other countries.
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So they shouldn't look out for their own protection and own interests because our executive branch has started a process which they have been assured for decades would never happen.

That is crazy.
 
Apocalypse said:
Two things;

A) Iran isn't just Israel's problem. Israel has the most to lose, but Iran is also the problem of France, the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, Canada, Finland, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, etc. etc. etc. and yes of the United States of Death to America as well. So trying to present an hypothetical declaration of war on Iran as "going to war for Israel" isn't honest.

B) The American foreign aid to Israel, which makes ~1% of Israel's GDP, does not somehow remove Israel's sovereignty as a state. America supports Israel militarily and diplomatically because the two nations share both values and geopolitical interests. The relations are clearly asymmetrical as one nation is the biggest empire on the planet while the other is a tiny nation of 8 million souls, but that doesn't mean that the US "doesn't get anything" from it as you've previously falsely claimed. Just to name one field, the Israeli-American cooperation in military research had seen a lot of successes and many of the systems that American soldiers use on the battlefield are the product of Israeli scientists, or have Israeli-added features in them. To conclude it's false to portray the Israeli-American relationship as something that isn't benefiting America, and if it was true there wouldn't be any relationship to begin with.
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We work closely and are ailed closely with all sorts of developed nations that we don't give a cent of foreign aid to. I don't recall Canada, the UK, France, Germany or countless other nations that we have a close relationship with and get a lot more out of economically than we do Israel, having a huge lobby in the United States trying to get foreign aid out of us.

I don't have anything against Israel, I wish the country all the best, but if you are going to be the world's largest recipient of foreign aid, then don't insult our president and don't undermine negotiations we have with other countries.

Finally, if we go to war with Iran it most certainly will primarily be for the benefit of Israel. Iran poses no substantial threat to the United States nuclear or not. It is a country whose military budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of ours, whose per-capita GDP is a tiny, tiny fraction of ours, and who has neither the navy nor any real means of ever striking the United States. Israel is an ally of the United States and the United States will defend the country if necessary, but don't pretend its primarily for our benefit, it would be to help Israel.
 
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justabubba said:
this was payback
no longer does israel have plausible deniability about its nuclear weapons capability
now sign the NPT israel, or shut the **** up about iran seeking its own nuclear weapons to establish military parity
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Lol !!

Yes, it was the type of " payback " thats usually meted out by third world tin hat Dictators.

It was so very amatuer, so very un- Presidential and so very childish.

Obama throws a Temper tantrum because he's not as influential as he thinks he is and targets ALL ISRAELIES.

He's taken upon himself to punish the entire Country, even the Liberals and Arabs that live there for not bending to his will and you people support it.

Liberals have no shame.

Hey Obama, thanks for vindicating the Conservative criticism that exposed you as the narcissist that you are back in 2009.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
We work closely and are ailed closely with all sorts of developed nations that we don't give a cent of foreign aid to. I don't recall Canada, the UK, France, Germany or countless other nations that we have a close relationship with and get a lot more out of economically than we do Israel, having a huge lobby in the United States trying to get foreign aid out of us.

I don't have anything against Israel, I wish the country all the best, but if you are going to be the world's largest recipient of foreign aid, then don't insult our president and don't undermine negotiations we have with other countries.

Finally, if we go to war with Iran it most certainly will primarily be for the benefit of Israel. Iran poses no substantial threat to the United States nuclear or not. It is a country whose military budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of ours, whose per-capita GDP is a tiny, tiny fraction of ours, and who has neither the navy nor any real means of ever striking the United States. Israel is an ally of the United States and the United States will defend the country if necessary, but don't pretend its primarily for our benefit, it would be to help Israel.
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Iran is the leading State sponsor of Terrorism and can be linked to Terrorsist attacks that took American lives going all the way back to the Beirut Bombing

Their IEDs took the lives of young American service men and now, we're actually allied with them in a attempt to fight off ISIL in Iraq.

The world's turned upside down.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

Yes, it was the type of " payback " thats usually meted out by third world tin hat Dictators.

It was so very amatuer, so very un- Presidential and so very childish.

Obama throws a Temper tantrum because he's not as influential as he thinks he is and targets ALL ISRAELIES.

He's taken upon himself to punish the entire Country, even the Liberals and Arabs that live there for not bending to his will and you people support it.

Liberals have no shame.

Hey Obama, thanks for vindicating the Conservative criticism that exposed you as the narcissist that you are back in 2009.
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Exactly what did Obama have to do with the lawsuit and court order that forced the release of these documents over a month ago? I realize that he must have done it or your narrative is a lie but I don't see his name anywhere on court documents.

In the midst of controversy over the Israeli prime minister's plans to address Congress next month, a researcher has won the release of a decades-old Defense Department report detailing the U.S. government's extensive help to Israel in that nation's development of a nuclear bomb.
"I am struck by the degree of cooperation on specialized war making devices between Israel and the US," said Roger Mattson, a former memer of the Atomic Energy Commission technical staff.
The 1987 report, "Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations," compares the key Israeli facilities developing nuclear weapons to Los Alamos and Oak Ridge National Laboratories, the principal U.S. laboratories that developed the bomb for the United States.
The tightly held report notes that the Israelis are "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level."
The release comes after Grant Smith, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy filed filed a FOIA request last year and followed with a lawsuit in September seeking to compel release of the report.
The government fought to delay release of the 386-page report in hearings before Judge Tanya Chutkan in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who expressed skepticism with the government's reasons for refusing to provide a single unclassified document.[
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Courthouse News Service
 
Fenton said:
Iran is the leading State sponsor of Terrorism and can be linked to Terrorsist attacks that took American lives going all the way back to the Beirut Bombing

Their IEDs took the lives of young American service men and now, we're actually allied with them in a attempt to fight off ISIL in Iraq.

The world's turned upside down.
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Well blame the Bush Administration for that. They are the one that removed their mortal enemy in Iraq whom we had contained (Saddam) and thus paved the way for an Iranian puppet government to take its place. We will be dealing with the repercussions of that decision for decades to come. Mind you, the same bunch that was advocating for the disastrous decision to go into Iraq back in 2003 are the same bunch that wants us to go to war with Iran today.
 
Fenton said:
Iran is the leading State sponsor of Terrorism and can be linked to Terrorsist attacks that took American lives going all the way back to the Beirut Bombing
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this is going to piss you off:
An annual security assessment presented to the U.S. Senate by James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, has excluded Iran and the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah from its list of terror threats to U.S. interests, despite both being consistently included as threats in previous years. ...
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http://www.newsweek.com/iran-and-hezbollah-omitted-us-terror-threat-list-amid-nuclear-talks-314073

Their IEDs took the lives of young American service men and now, we're actually allied with them in a attempt to fight off ISIL in Iraq.
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yes, and we deposed their elected leader in the early 50's when it appeared he was about to nationalize his nation's oil for iran's own benefit

The world's turned upside down.
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yep
we fight beside iran in iraq and against them in syria
and they are fighting against ISIS in syria ... so who are we fighting beside there?
 
iguanaman said:
Exactly what did Obama have to do with the lawsuit and court order that forced the release of these documents over a month ago? I realize that he must have done it or your narrative is a lie but I don't see his name anywhere on court documents.


Courthouse News Service
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LOL !! " The most transparent administration " eva " !!

You have to be joking.

He and Hillary are so forthcoming with FOIA requests its no wonder these documents were released, after IsraelI's humiliated him and rre-elected his nemesis.

Lol !!

I'm not a Liberal which MEANS Im not going to fall for this BS attempt to blame this on a FOIA request.
 
Fenton said:
LOL !! " The most transparent administration " eva " !!

You have to be joking.

He and Hillary are so forthcoming with FOIA requests its no wonder these documents were released, after IsraelI's humiliated him and rre-elected his nemesis.

Lol !!

I'm not a Liberal which MEANS Im not going to fall for this BS attempt to blame this on a FOIA request.
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So in other words you have nothing but your partisanship to back up your claim. Thanks for playing.
 
Fenton said:
US Declassifies Document on Israel's Nuclear Power - News from America - News - Arutz Sheva

" In a development that has largely been missed by mainstream media, the Pentagon early last month quietly declassified a Department of Defense top-secret document detailing Israel's nuclear program, a highly covert topic that Israel has never formally announced to avoid a regional nuclear arms race, and which the US until now has respected by remaining silent.

But by publishing the declassified document from 1987, the US reportedly breached the silent agreement to keep quiet on Israel's nuclear powers for the first time ever, detailing the nuclear program in great depth."

Obama acting like a insolent child again and or showing his true colors....unreal. Americans elected a man child.
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That's an awesome move. What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

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Way to go Obama!
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well blame the Bush Administration for that. They are the one that removed their mortal enemy in Iraq whom we had contained (Saddam) and thus paved the way for an Iranian puppet government to take its place. We will be dealing with the repercussions of that decision for decades to come. Mind you, the same bunch that was advocating for the disastrous decision to go into Iraq back in 2003 are the same bunch that wants us to go to war with Iran today.
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Bull.

When Bush left office Iraqi's were participating for the very first time in elections.

Iraq went from a Country run by a brutal dictator to a Country where their citizens could participate in a Democratic process.

Obama's decision to remove all remnants of American militarily assets enabled this murderous band of thugs to tear across that Country killing Women Children and Men.

Blame Bush ? Lol !!

Funny, Obama's decision to leave the American Military in Afghanistan sure looks like proof he's learned his lesson.

Too bad it came at the cost of so many innocent lives
 
Fenton said:
Bull.

When Bush left office Iraqi's were participating for the very first time in elections.

Iraq went from a Country run by a brutal dictator to a Country where their citizens could participate in a Democratic process.

Obama's decision to remove all remnants of American militarily assets enabled this murderous band of thugs to tear across that Country killing Women Children and Men.

Blame Bush ? Lol !!

Funny, Obama's decision to leave the American Military in Afghanistan sure looks like proof he's learned his lesson.

Too bad it came at the cost of so many innocent lives
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And an entirely destabilized region.
 
Fenton said:
Bull.

When Bush left office Iraqi's were participating for the very first time in elections.
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Yes, electing a Shia Iranian Puppet government.

Iraq went from a Country run by a brutal dictator to a Country where their citizens could participate in a Democratic process.
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And their citizens chose to elect a corrupt and ineffectual Shia government that is a puppet of Iran.

Obama's decision to remove all remnants of American militarily assets enabled this murderous band of thugs to tear across that Country killing Women Children and Men.
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Had we never gone into Iraq, there would be no ISIS today. Moreover, the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people did not want us there any longer and had we stayed they made it a condition that our troops there be subject to their courts. Thus had we continued to stay it would have been an occupation, not at their invitation. This was all heavily reported on a the time despite the right wing mythology circulating today.

Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com
 
justabubba said:
this is going to piss you off:

http://www.newsweek.com/iran-and-hezbollah-omitted-us-terror-threat-list-amid-nuclear-talks-314073


yes, and we deposed their elected leader in the early 50's when it appeared he was about to nationalize his nation's oil for iran's own benefit


yep
we fight beside iran in iraq and against them in syria
and they are fighting against ISIS in syria ... so who are we fighting beside there?
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Pissed ?

I'm elated ! Again, thanks Obama for the vindication.

Thanks for showing the world that your little more than a narrcisitic mam child.

Thanks for being a Great dead Albatross around the neck of the Democrat party and thanks for all of the new GOP seats won in the 2014 midterms.

Thanks for making sure Texas stays RED, and thanks for re-bre-branding the Democrat party as a desperate bunch of dishonest twisted ideologues who have to resort to manufacturing division where there is none because they have nothing substantial to run on.

Thanks for your greasy underlings from Josh Earnest to Susan Rice who've shown the world that his administration is not above bald face lies and obstruction.

So no, I'm not pissed.

The best weapon against the Democrat party is to keep one of their supporters or their Politicians talking.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, electing a Shia Iranian Puppet government.



And their citizens chose to elect a corrupt and ineffectual Shia government that is a puppet of Iran.



Had we never gone into Iraq, there would be no ISIS today. Moreover, the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people did not want us there any longer and had we stayed they made it a condition that our troops there be subject to their courts. Thus had we continued to stay it would have been an occupation, not at their invitation. This was all heavily reported on a the time despite the right wing mythology circulating today.

Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com
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Too bad there's this thing called the internet where someone who's so inclined could spend a whole 3 minutes and completely debunk that ridiculous Time article.

For example, one could use the internet to pull up the 2012 Presidential debate between Obama and Romney where Obama pledged that there would be no SOFA or troops left at all in Iraq.

Blaming it on the Iraqi's is a desperate attempt to shift blame from where it belongs.

And to think Obama was bullied by the Iraqi's ? The guy that just out of spite released a information on Israel's Nuclear capabilities isn't going to let Iraqi's tell him what to do.

No, his decision was planned and executed based on much Political capital it would earn him.
 
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