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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

Greetings, Disneydude. :2wave:

The Governor did not pass the law. The legislature did. All he did was sign it. Pence is taking the heat, because that's what a true leader does, and what Truman meant when he said "the buck stops here." Clinton signed the original years ago, and took credit for it, and other States have also adopted the original. Why the ruckus in Indiana at this time? It does look like a deliberate diversion from other problems to many people, since this law was meant to include everyone, and not to exclude anyone, as it was portrayed to be in Indiana by a group with an agenda. Will adding a line specifically mentioning certain groups make everyone happy now? Sheesh!

The Indiana law is not the same as the federal one. Take a look. That is exactly what the outrage is about.
 
There's a whole bunch of non-collegiate grads who will get to heaven when the pro-gay intellectuals wind up elsewhere. Revelation 21:8

I'm sure. Keep going logicman, your posts promote "pro-gay intellectuals" better than I ever could.
 
That's good. Did you spend a lot of time coming up with that question? Obama voted for nearly identical legislation while a state senator in Illinois. What, exactly, is the difference? Go look at the legislation before you answer.

Actually it is not nearly identical. Once Pence and the legislature make the changes it will be similar to the federal. This is what the outrage was about and why Pence couldn't answer the questions posed to him or refused to answer them. The fact is. Pence is the liar. He was caught in his lies and now is trying to do damage control
 
Dude....why don't you stop. Take a second...and stand back and look at what you are saying. Let's assume for a second that you are correct...that the "liars have won". What have they won? If the law didn't do what they claimed it did (their lies)...then a change in the law gets them nothing. They have won nothing. Right?

On the otherhand...if you are wrong about their lies.....then your statement "They have won" would have more meaning. Because they will have won something. If their attacks were truthful....then what they have won is a change in the law changing the law from being discriminatory.


So what is it? Why are you concerned about them "winning" if you really believe that what they have won is nothing? Its all about logic.

Their objectives had little to do with LGBT rights. Objectives were to damage Pence and to delegitimize the religious objection to SSM. It's just political warfare.
 
Clarification.

You don't have to change the law to clarify it. Sorry but fail. There is a reason why Pence refused to answer the question whether the law allowed private businesses to refuse to serve gays.....not once.....but six times. He knew the answer and tried to avoid it. He didn't expect to be called out on it and now he is forced to do damage control because he was caught.
 
Their objectives had little to do with LGBT rights. Objectives were to damage Pence and to delegitimize the religious objection to SSM. It's just political warfare.

How does it damage Pence if he was telling the truth? Any change in the law won't change anything if he was telling the truth....so how has he been damaged?
 
Their objectives had little to do with LGBT rights. Objectives were to damage Pence and to delegitimize the religious objection to SSM. It's just political warfare.

Religious belief has never been a valid excuse for discrimination. There was nothing to "delegitimize".
 
Religious belief has never been a valid excuse for discrimination. There was nothing to "delegitimize".
Why is being pro-homosexual a valid excuse for discrimination?
 
Religious belief has never been a valid excuse for discrimination. There was nothing to "delegitimize".

yes, but 19 other states besides Indiana have the same law(with a few MINOR exceptions). so are you going to wet your drawers over those states and boycott them as well? you would have to for your opinion to make any sense, right?
 
I'm sure. Keep going logicman, your posts promote "pro-gay intellectuals" better than I ever could.

That's what you think. And there's a big, big difference between intelligence and Godly wisdom, the latter of which is obviously lost on the pro-gay left.
 
yes, but 19 other states besides Indiana have the same law(with a few MINOR exceptions). so are you going to wet your drawers over those states and boycott them as well? you would have to for your opinion to make any sense, right?
Major exceptions.

This has been repeated about 100 times now. No, they are not the same.

And if you don't believe me, have a Foxer Foxsplain it to you:

Watch A Fox News Anchor Debunk His Network's Defense Of Indiana's "Religious Freedom" Law
 
Major exceptions.

This has been repeated about 100 times now. No, they are not the same.

And if you don't believe me, have a Foxer Foxsplain it to you:

why don't you just explain to me the BIG difference. I'm to dumb to click the link. plus, we debate here; we don't post video links to debate for us
 
why don't you just explain to me the BIG difference. I'm to dumb to click the link. plus, we debate here; we don't post video links to debate for us

Maybe I'm just tired of retypiing it....(besides, I figured you'd believe one of your own more than a liberal..)

But if you're too lazy --

Here's a starter...

No. It is not the same. No, it does not have identical language.

Nor is it the same as the the other RFRA in most of the other states.

For example, in a number of the states that do have it, they have Civil Rights protections for sexual orientation and other classes. Most all of them only define "person" as a living breathing human individual.


Indiana's law is written differently and says that a person includes "a partnership, a limited liability company, a corporation, a company, a firm, a society, a joint-stock company, an unincorporated association."


There's the big difference. Yup. Corps are religious people too.


In addition, the Indiana law allows people /corps to sue the state if their religious beliefs are being infringed, and the text of the law goes out its way to say their state law trumps local ordinances. There are laws in some Indiana towns and cities that do protect sexual orientation -- but poof those are overridden by the state law.

This bill is quite a bit different than most of the other ones - that's why people are wigging about it, and also why a similar one brought before Jan freakin Brewer (!)! in AZ was vetoed.
 
why don't you just explain to me the BIG difference. I'm to dumb to click the link. plus, we debate here; we don't post video links to debate for us

The major differences have been explained in THIS thread about 50 times.

If you don't want to click on a link then just read though the thread. It's all there.
 
No, Pence is discriminating because it was his intent to allow discrimination and also the intent of the Indiana legislature. Obama's intent wasn't. Illinois already had laws that make LGBT a protected class. Indiana doesn't. When this was discussed as part of the legislative process, it was pointed out that the legislation in Indiana would allow discrimination against LGBTs unless the law was changed to prevent it. The legislature chose not to change it. So, yes, huge difference.

So you presume to know the intent of both Obama and the entire legislature of Indiana and the intent of the Governor. That's just awesome.
 
The best part is: it'll all be moot soon in Ind. as the governor says the the legislators will amend the law to state unequivocally "no one can be refused service."

So it's actually going to strengthen the laws against discriminating against g&l - the exact opposite of what the bigoted lobbyists pushing for the bill wanted.
 
Actually it is not nearly identical. Once Pence and the legislature make the changes it will be similar to the federal. This is what the outrage was about and why Pence couldn't answer the questions posed to him or refused to answer them. The fact is. Pence is the liar. He was caught in his lies and now is trying to do damage control

This sounds like complete hokum to me. I've read about this, and I didn't find anything of such a nature in any of my readings. It sounds to me like some people want an issue, and it also sounds like complete BS.
 
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