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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

So liberals are aware that discrimination is not accepted in the marketplace and that if anti-discrimination laws were to be repealed nothing bad would happen, but they demand them anyway? Ok??? I don't get it.

Like I said....sometimes you have to take a stand for what is right. There is value in society saying we demand that people be treated fairly and equally and that bigotry and discrimination will not be tolerated.
 
As they say...Hell ain't half full.


Good more room for me and my friends to relax by the lake o' fire drinking margaritas w/o the likes of dick heads like Jerry Falwell and their blatant hatred.
 
Like I said....sometimes you have to take a stand for what is right. There is value in society saying we demand that people be treated fairly and equally and that bigotry and discrimination will not be tolerated.

Forced commerce is not right or treating people fairly, so your entire line of reasoning makes no sense to me.
 
Forced commerce is not right or treating people fairly, so your entire line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

Forced commerce? LMAO! Hello you put your shingle out saying "I accept money to to do this" and I'm willing to give you money to do that. Forced commerce my ass.
 
Forced commerce is not right or treating people fairly, so your entire line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

It isn't forced commerce. No one is forcing them to open their doors to the public. That is what they choose to do. They can close shop any time they want. What they aren't free to do, however, is write their own rules simply because they open a business. They have to abide by the laws of this great country.
 
So liberals are aware that discrimination is not accepted in the marketplace and that if anti-discrimination laws were to be repealed nothing bad would happen, but they demand them anyway? Ok??? I don't get it.

The laws reflect our values. Repealing them would, IMO, be a reflection that our values have changed and that society accepts discrimination. So I guess I reject the premise that repealing them will have no ill effect. IMO, they'd signal a corrosive shift in our values had already happened, with behavior to follow.
 
The laws reflect our values. Repealing them would, IMO, be a reflection that our values have changed and that society accepts discrimination. So I guess I reject the premise that repealing them will have no ill effect. IMO, they'd signal a corrosive shift in our values had already happened, with behavior to follow.

What abuot these. I take it you do support strip clubs?
https://www.tuscl.net/clubs.php?m=c&id=804
 
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Have you seen the photos of the very large angry crowds in Indiana being featured right now on Yahoo? I just saw them - people in Indianapolis shouting while shaking their fists in the air, etc. Wow!

Governor Pence had to cancel public appearances for the next several days because of the protests. They should have explained the law to the people before signing it and making it official. It appears there is much misunderstanding about this....

Titled: Indiana lawmakers seek to quiet firestorm surrounding new law.

Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

Sadly, the liars seem to have won this round, but the fix is not difficult. Hate to see this in my native state.:shock:
 
How is it dishonest to say that Pence couldn't answer a yes/no question Jack--6 of them by the way?
How is it dishonest to say that Pence and the legislature are "fixing" the language Jack?
How is it dishonest to say that there are corporate boycotts Jack?
Looks like it's back to the BIL Zone for ya. :peace



Oh, and Kamikaze Kruz has just come out defending Pence--maybe Pence can be his VP candidate.

Sadly, the liars won this round, but the recovery is not difficult.
 
Not really. Not when you invite them to the signing and position them within arms reach in a position of respect.

And you're being disingenuous here. Pence is a social conservative, rates 100% or 0% on the various rankings related to LGBT, and that "irresponsible fringe" and who they speak to is a core part of his base.

FWIW, I won't quote from it but this is a very well documented summary of what we've been talking about. Bottom line is the religious freedom bill was sold exactly as the "vicious" attacks say it was, as a way to discriminate against LGBT at least when it comes to SSM. There's even a Facebook post by the Indiana Coalition to Protect Religious Freedom that asserts the bill can be used to nullify local ordinances protecting gays. So when Pence says, "I just don't know where people got the idea this was about teh gays???!!!" he's lying. All he had to do was listen to his supporters and those pushing the bill who sold religious freedom acts as a way to do just that.

Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.
 
Sadly, the liars won this round, but the recovery is not difficult.

Should Indiana have a law protecting LGBT from discrimination?
 
Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.

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Do you think that's necessary?

From what I see and read. Yes.
Why have other States enacted such legislation?
Due to discrimination.
 
I get it! At the Sermon on the Mount Jesus made certain that porkers and fatasses didn't get any bread and made damned sure they didn't go back for seconds. That would have been enabling them to commit one of the 7 Deadly Sins, no? Why doesn't anyone ever mention that?

I'm confused. According to you Christians in Indiana need a religious freedom law for the purpose of only practicing the parts of their religion they like. Christians in Indiana are not denying greedy people the right to purchase more crap they don't need, right? How about McMansions? Do Christian real estate agents refuse to sell people houses that people really don't need? You are telling me Indiana Christians support selling boats and vacation homes and diamond jewelry to people. Doesn't that directly contribute to the practice of envy? They don't have problems doing business and/or associating with prideful people either, huh? When fat people come rolling into a Christian owned restaurant in Indiana their business will not be refused...unless they are gay fat people.

What do you want to bet that almost all the churches that support Indiana's religious freedom law so that they can deny doing business with gay people in the Lord's name have vending machines full of sugary drinks and sugar laden snacks? Promoting and enabling gluttony for Jesus? That's OK. Right?

So we really aren't talking about the protection of a religion are we? We aren't even talking about most Christians. We are talking about a law that allows a small number of people practice pure hatred in the name of Christianity. I'd imagine most good Christians in Indiana feel raped.

Can't win a religious argument so you go off on the deep end about leftist nonsense..
 
From what I see and read. Yes.
Why have other States enacted such legislation?
Due to discrimination.

Someone who knows more than me would have to explain why it's necessary. Generally I prefer fewer laws, and too many are just superfluous showboating, IMHO. I don't think there's any evidence that states without such laws have appreciably higher numbers of episodes of discrimination.
 
What abuot these. I take it you do support strip clubs?
https://www.tuscl.net/clubs.php?m=c&id=804

Thanks - hope my anti-virus software was up to date after clicking on that link.

I don't go to them, if that's your question (I've been, but always thought the experience was creepy), but I don't think there's any doubt they reflect a community's "values." Or at least they reflect the values of the mostly male lawmakers who decide on these things. Heck, there's always a story about how prostitutes flock to any big political convention - GOP or Democratic. It's not because they're interested in the politics! Same with Super Bowls, etc.
 
Sadly, the liars seem to have won this round, but the fix is not difficult. Hate to see this in my native state.:shock:

Yep, too bad the shysters bilking social conservatives of their cash lied about what the bills was intended to do and others believed the lies.
 
Yep, too bad the shysters bilking social conservatives of their cash lied about what the bills was intended to do and others believed the lies.

Pence hit the nail on the head today at his press conference. Gross mischaracterization of the law and sloppy journalism enabled the liars to win this time.
 
Sorry, but the liars won this time, and your post is a good example of how well-intentioned people were taken in. Fortunately, the recovery won't be difficult.

Who were the well intentioned who were taken in - Pence? I doubt he was taken in, but his supporters undermined public support and he's paying the price for that. And the GOP is paying the price for ignoring critics and the business community who told them the signal they were sending. That this shocks them just reflects their political incompetence.
 
Who were the well intentioned who were taken in - Pence? I doubt he was taken in, but his supporters undermined public support and he's paying the price for that. And the GOP is paying the price for ignoring critics and the business community who told them the signal they were sending. That this shocks them just reflects their political incompetence.

I was counting you among the well-intentioned who have been taken in.
 
Someone who knows more than me would have to explain why it's necessary. Generally I prefer fewer laws, and too many are just superfluous showboating, IMHO. I don't think there's any evidence that states without such laws have appreciably higher numbers of episodes of discrimination.

One valid reason is to protect a subset of the population who are subjected to discrimination.
Being Canadian with a differing Constitution, Bill of Rights and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am simply amazed by how people in the US are against protecting rights. Yet use Religion as the basis to restrict rights.

Now if this was to restrict in some way guns, say waiting periods, checks and such, stopping people from buying them at local gun sales, and the State laws vary, why hellfire and brimstone would be the result
People would be up in arms.
 
No....the Bull **** that people are tired of is people who still think it is ok to discriminate in this country. That is why Indiana is facing the wrath of the nation. Pence is such an idiot, he thought he could pass this through without there being any outcry. Maybe in 1940 but not in 2015. In 2015 people in this country are tired of the bigots and people who preach hate. So now what we are seeing is people trying to hide behind religion and use it as a shield to implement their bigotry. Sorry...but America saw right through this ploy and isn't buying it.

People who invoke the name of Christ and seek to wrap themselves in his name are using his name in vain. Anyone who has even studied the life of the man for more than 5 minutes knows full well that he would never condone this kind of activity. I know the "totality of his comments" and I know that Christ never preached hatred and never preached shunning someone because you find them "icky". The vast majority of Christ's teaching were about being a good person, loving your neighbor, treating people with dignity and respect, charity and service. Christ was less concerned with pointing his fingers at the "sinners" and more about pointing his finger at the Pharisees who would stand on the corner and pray loudly in public so that others will look upon them. Today's "Christians" are the Pharisees of modern times. They are more concerned about politics and perverting his name than they are about striving to emulate any of his life/teachings.
Horse****. Remove federal judge decisions and the facts are clear and obvious. Nationwide...the gay community **** themselves because the owner of Chik-Fil-A dared to support family values. Their ridiculous response was to schedule idiotic and impotent displays and protests. The result? hell...even gay people thought what they were doing was stupid and told them to knock it the **** off.

You go right ahead and keep twisting and spinning trying to make your version of Christ fit the facts. It wont work.

Sin no more. If you are going to try to use Christ as an argument, you will get the TOTAL comment. He did challenge those that would condemn the prostitute. to her his reply...Go forth...Sin no more.
 
One valid reason is to protect a subset of the population who are subjected to discrimination.
Being Canadian with a differing Constitution, Bill of Rights and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I am simply amazed by how people in the US are against protecting rights. Yet use Religion as the basis to restrict rights.

Now if this was to restrict in some way guns, say waiting periods, checks and such, stopping people from buying them at local gun sales, and the State laws vary, why hellfire and brimstone would be the result
People would be up in arms.

The right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. Perhaps the answer is a constitutional amendment to confer that status on LGBT people.
 
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