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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

yes that lie keeps being repeated but yet the contradiction hasnt been pointed out. Very telling. Please in your next post point out the factual contradiction, thanks.

I bet this request is dodged again.
You pointed it out several times yourself
 
i don't believe that we can recall him. he's governor because there was a lot of apathy and because his opponent, nice guy that he was / is, ran a really poor campaign.
So then my original point stands, he IS what Indiana wants.
 
WWJD? Do you think Jesus would turn someone away because they were gay? What do you think Jesus would think of the person who turned someone away because they were black or gay or just because they thought the person was "icky"? "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren....ye have done it unto me".
If they wanted something to facilitate sin, I believe He would indeed turn them away. If they came in repentance, He would accept them
 
Even still, the principle that a business open to the public serves the public is fairly straightforward and the benefits of that as a whole would seem to easily outweigh the harm in a few instances of a few businesses serving people they might REALLY not like a whole lot.

It's no different in my view than the ACLU defending the right of those idiots to march.
Again, they offered to serve them, just without the swastikas. I see nothing in the aforementioned principle that suggests this would be inappropriate.
 
But the actual legislators were warned, were given chances to assuage critics, and didn't do it. And Pence embraced those voices when he invited them to the bill signing. They made their bed by trying to appease bigots. Not sorry they're paying a price for it.

And yet no legislator has said anything except that this RFRA (like all other RFRA's) does not enable discrimination. The attackers have been successful by lying.
 
so happy for your non biased fair view of this
I am gals you realize that if it is biased it is only so against bigotry, self inflicted stupidity, ignorance and mindless zealotry, all conditions that can be easily cured.

you dont have to like, or understand religion...
Actually I do, on both counts, that is why I can't suffer bigots.
Just so I am clear, I consider a bigot one who does something or encourages something against people or groups of people they do not "like" or consider "different" etc.

but how about some tolerance from your side?
Sure, I have no problem with them praying anytime or anywhere they wish.

you all want that from everyone else...
I do not want anything from anyone other then them not to discriminate. It is the price to belong in civilized secular society. There are plenty of **** holes in the world where theocratic regimes rule and I ma sure they accept like minded zealots.

how about just a little back......and seeing this from the eyes of those who dont believe what you believe
Sure in what form?

and when businesses have been open for decades, and passed from one generation to another.....it isnt always feasible to set it up as a something else
BS that is a pathetic excuse. Any business can change formats any time.
 
If they wanted something to facilitate sin, I believe He would indeed turn them away. If they came in repentance, He would accept them

Do you honestly believe that Jesus would condone the bigoted actions of the florist or the baker? If you honestly believe so, then you do not know the man.
 
Do you honestly believe that Jesus would condone the bigoted actions of the florist or the baker? If you honestly believe so, then you do not know the man.

I'm always reserved around those who claim to "know" Jesus.
 
Again, they offered to serve them, just without the swastikas. I see nothing in the aforementioned principle that suggests this would be inappropriate.

But how is that converted to a legal principle that would guide other businesses? E.g. "I offered to serve the Muslim women if they just took off their head scarves..."

I'm not committed either way, but if that's the worst case downside of the principle, I'm OK with it.
 
No, of course I can't force a Jewish baker to do a Hitler cake for me ....but I might sue him or her for not. It's their choice. And a jury of peers can rule against me...or for me.

But again, Peter, let's apply some common sense. Are KKK members - or say Storm Front members gonna line up to get a Jewish baker to bake a cake with Hitler on it? I'd say not unless they were purposely wanting to cause problems and that type of harassment is against the law.

The cake for lesbians incident and the florist incident that became so exploited by media ...were much more isolated than the faux example I posted above.

Common sense? Sorry, but when it comes to forcing a baker to do a special to order cake completely outside his regular repertoire of for sale cakes then this is for me totally down to artistic freedom. If someone then sues for such a reason that is a frivolous lawsuit and if it were down to me the one who makes such a lawsuit should pay for both his and the other sides legal cost plus a punitive fine for the business the company has lost due to that frivolous lawsuit. But that is just me.

I may be very anti-discrimination on regular orders but when it comes to insane demands from a baker/other business then that company should be allowed to refuse such a service. Regular service from the regular book of stock items (or stock for that business) should not be allowed to fall under "artistic freedom". Now if that person wants kissing men on the top of that cake then a company can be allowed to refuse that part of the order, they do not sell that kind of a thing so there should be no reason to force them to do that.

Sorry, but that is just how I feel.

Hey, and if the KKK/Storm Front would come to my bakery (if I were a Jew or black) and would ask for a Hitler cake I would say that I would bake them but that this is a special order so I would make them a quotation for 10,000 dollars. I would make that cake but due to me not wanting to do that (and it being not a regular cake that I offer in my shop) then it is my freedom to ask what I want. I would have to hire another bakery, special staff for that day, fly in that staff, etc. etc. etc. for me to make such a cake, extra another 1,000 dollars for delivery (because I would have to fumigate and completely change the interior of the truck I would use to make such a delivery and hire the Black Panthers for security (or some Jewish organization like that). If they want to pay that then I will make them that cake (laughing my behind off while I order it at a bakery somewhere they do not have a problem making such a cake) and then laugh all the way down to the bank.

They want to buy a specially created/artistically designed cake that I do not make or create, then they can pay extra for it (a lot extra if it were up to me).
 
Do you honestly believe that Jesus would condone the bigoted actions of the florist or the baker? If you honestly believe so, then you do not know the man.
I don't believe the actions are bigoted and I believe He would indeed condone the actions of the florist and baker. He would not condone the homosexual behavior. Rather He would offer healing
 
You pointed it out several times yourself

translation: it cant be done because the claim is a lie, thats what I thought, please let us know when you can do so, thank you
 
I'm always reserved around those who claim to "know" Jesus.

Its not hard to know the man if you read his work. The problem that most people who proclaim his name is that they are more interested in politics than emulating the life of the man that they claim to worship.
 
I don't believe the actions are bigoted and I believe He would indeed condone the actions of the florist and baker. He would not condone the homosexual behavior. Rather He would offer healing

If you actually believe that...then you need to study his life a little harder. You obviously know very little about his teachings.
 
translation: it cant be done because the claim is a lie, thats what I thought, please let us know when you can do so, thank you

No translation was necessary. You pointed out your own self contradiction
 
If you actually believe that...then you need to study his life a little harder. You obviously know very little about his teachings.
I know more than most, I'm sure. I certainly know He would not condone sin
 
Its not hard to know the man if you read his work. The problem that most people who proclaim his name is that they are more interested in politics than emulating the life of the man that they claim to worship.

"Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it." --ascribed to Vaclav Havel
 
Just ask them why Pence can't answer a yes or no question.
Ask them why Pence and the legislature want to "fix" the language.
Corporate boycotts do make a difference--as did the NCAA statement today .

Sadly, thus far vicious dishonesty is winning.
 
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