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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

disneydude said:
Nope. You can believe that all you want in your fantasy world....the problem you have is that the laws of this great country disagree with you. Sorry...but that's the way it is.
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Not in Indiana. Not anymore. Pence corrected that error
 
maxparrish said:
Read my post - no sane judge is going to strike a law that is a mirror of the federal, and 20ty other, State laws. This is much ado about nothing (other than gay - progressive bullying).
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Oh you poor little oppressed straight cis white male. Please prove to us how your straightness has caused society to disenfranchise you.
 
maxparrish said:
Read my post - no sane judge is going to strike a law that is a mirror of the federal, and 20ty other, State laws. This is much ado about nothing (other than gay - progressive bullying).
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Really seriously "bullying"? It wasn't that long ago being gay was illegal, Stonewall riots. And it was only few years ago people tried to deny gays marriage. So really who has been the bully here?
 
Phys251 said:
Yeah it is. If I want to incite violence against other people, forcing me to STFU would be tyranny. :roll:
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That would be preventing you from acting which has nothing to do with what I said
 
Phys251 said:
Oh you poor little oppressed straight cis white male. Please prove to us how your straightness has caused society to disenfranchise you.
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Please provide an argument as opposed to a rather lame ad hom.
 
Blemonds said:
That would be preventing you from acting which has nothing to do with what I said
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I am so sorry that I followed your ridiculous claim to its logical extension! Please, accept my humble apology.

maxparrish said:
Please provide an argument as opposed to a rather lame ad hom.
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Strike one. Please prove to us how your straightness has caused society to disenfranchise you.
 
maxparrish said:
Read my post - no sane judge is going to strike a law that is a mirror of the federal, and 20ty other, State laws. This is much ado about nothing (other than gay - progressive bullying).
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Who knew the day would come when a libertarian would look at the actions of a free market response to state action as "progressive bullying".
 
winston53660 said:
Really seriously "bullying"? It wasn't that long ago being gay was illegal, Stonewall riots. And it was only few years ago people tried to deny gays marriage. So really who has been the bully here?
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Your reference tells you. In 1969 it was the NYC police in Greenwich village. In 2015 it is the numerous gay brownshirts and fellow-travelers.

Or are you suggesting that two wrongs make a right?
 
Blemonds said:
Apology accepted
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Good. I will make a note to myself to never challenge anything you ever say, because I can clearly tell that you always listen to what people say with an open mind, you allow yourself to revise your beliefs when evidence clearly says you should, and you make absolutely sure to check your privilege at the door. People like you are what make DP such a great place to post!
 
maxparrish said:
Your reference tells you. In 1969 it was the NYC police in Greenwich village. In 2015 it is the numerous gay brownshirts and fellow-travelers.

Or are you suggesting that two wrongs make a right?
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whats wrong are you talking about?
 
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Phys251 said:
Strike one. Please prove to us how your straightness has caused society to disenfranchise you.
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Let's move to a strike out. I am not in the habit of "proving" something that I never claimed, especially about my personal life. (But if you are curious about the meaning of childish gay bullying, you might reflect on your ad hom tactics).
 
maxparrish said:
Let's move to a strike out. I am not in the habit of "proving" something that I never claimed, especially about my personal life. (But if you are curious about the meaning of childish gay bullying, you might reflect on your ad hom tactics).
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So let's be clear: You are conceding that you have never once been persecuted because you are straight? I just want to make sure I am hearing you correctly.
 
winston53660 said:
what wrong are you talking about?
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You asked me "who has been the bully here". I told you the Police of 1969 and the gay and fellow travelers of 2015. Each party was wrong, ergo, are you saying that two wrongs makes a right? Are you saying that because gays were once bullied they should now do the same?
 
Phys251 said:
So let's be clear: You are conceding that you have never once been persecuted because you are straight? I just want to make sure I am hearing you correctly.
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There is nothing to concede, as it is a claim I did not make. In spite of your inability to ask an unloaded question, I will state that: no, I have never allowed myself to be in a position to persecuted. Like any potential PC victim, I never state my actual views on certain issues around gays (most of whom are intolerant). The few that I know really well are incapable of discussing these issues without becoming drama queens.
 
CriticalThought said:
Who knew the day would come when a libertarian would look at the actions of a free market response to state action as "progressive bullying".
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As opposed to some who know that it takes all of five minutes for a critic of libertarians and the market to pull out an old chestnut - failing to understand that the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.

Need I explain it to you, or were you just doing a drive-by snarl?
 
Phys251 said:
Good. I will make a note to myself to never challenge anything you ever say, because I can clearly tell that you always listen to what people say with an open mind, you allow yourself to revise your beliefs when evidence clearly says you should, and you make absolutely sure to check your privilege at the door. People like you are what make DP such a great place to post!
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That's always a good move
 
maxparrish said:
You asked me "who has been the bully here". I told you the Police of 1969 and the gay and fellow travelers of 2015. Each party was wrong, ergo, are you saying that two wrongs makes a right? Are you saying that because gays were once bullied they should now do the same?
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I'm saying the Bakers are trying to assume the same old bully pulpit by denying service in a place of public accommodation.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm saying the Bakers are trying to assume the same old bully pulpit by denying service in a place of public accommodation.
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It's hard to be a bully when you don't act
 
maxparrish said:
You asked me "who has been the bully here". I told you the Police of 1969 and the gay and fellow travelers of 2015. Each party was wrong, ergo, are you saying that two wrongs makes a right? Are you saying that because gays were once bullied they should now do the same?
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lmao at the idea of a grocery store clerk being "bullied" into selling milk to gay customers, as they do for everyone else the other 8 hours of their shift everyday, or a doctor having to treat a gay couple's newborn. Yes what a sacrifice that is and you compare it to the gestapo barging into bedrooms and brutally attacking everyone at a bar

You know how many people i have had to work with who i did not like one bit? You know how many belligerent and otherwise worthless customers i have had to tolerate? But if i didn't sell to a customer i have a moral objection to, i'd get fired. If i didn't sell to a black or christian customer, i'd get fired. But somehow you are advocating a right to discriminate against lgbt

no, it is those who attempt to deny those basic services and enshrine oppression in law, all while sucking on our taxes, who are the bullies - the same bullies btw who want to make our relationships illegal and who in 1969 would've been cheering on the cops at stonewall
 
winston53660 said:
I'm saying the Bakers are trying to assume the same old bully pulpit by denying service in a place of public accommodation.
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Do you have a right to decide to not commence in commerce with anyone you want for any reason you want? If so, why do you deny business owners that right?
 
maxparrish said:
I will state that: no, I have never allowed myself to be in a position to persecuted.
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That has nothing to do with your choices. Nothing. This is what you (plural) choose not to understand. And furthermore, something else you (plural) choose not to understand is this:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. Nor is it really even about the businesses that are already starting to discriminate.

This is about LGBTs who face discrimination, bullying, hatred, and disenfranchisement from hateful people who are given the power to hate.
This is about people who suffer a much higher rate of suicide because of this.
This is about people who are legally forbidden from expressing their love the same way that straight couples are allowed to.

You think this is about you? And what rights YOU have? That is the living definition of narcissism. You choose to believe that the imaginary oppression you might face at not having power over people whose behavior you don't like is more important than the real oppression that LGBTs face every day of their lives from ***holes who choose not to follow basic, common-sense standards of decent human behavior.

But guess what. This is 2015. And the same Constitution that you think gives businesses the right to discriminate, gives LGBTs and their allies the right to LOUDLY tell the ***holes to go to hell. And that is exactly what we intend to do.
 
maxparrish said:
There is nothing to concede, as it is a claim I did not make. In spite of your inability to ask an unloaded question, I will state that: no, I have never allowed myself to be in a position to persecuted. Like any potential PC victim, I never state my actual views on certain issues around gays (most of whom are intolerant). The few that I know really well are incapable of discussing these issues without becoming drama queens.
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So being told off for bigotry is the same as being denied basic services and the state government going out of its way to target you for discrimination, got it!
 
Blemonds said:
That's always a good move
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You saw the reasons why, right? How can I possibly challenge the best poster on this entire website?
 
Phys251 said:
That has nothing to do with your choices. Nothing. This is what you (plural) choose not to understand. And furthermore, something else you (plural) choose not to understand is this:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. Nor is it really even about the businesses that are already starting to discriminate.

This is about LGBTs who face discrimination, bullying, hatred, and disenfranchisement from hateful people who are given the power to hate.
This is about people who suffer a much higher rate of suicide because of this.
This is about people who are legally forbidden from expressing their love the same way that straight couples are allowed to.

You think this is about you? And what rights YOU have? That is the living definition of narcissism. You choose to believe that the imaginary oppression you might face at not having power over people whose behavior you don't like is more important than the real oppression that LGBTs face every day of their lives from ***holes who choose not to follow basic, common-sense standards of decent human behavior.

But guess what. This is 2015. And the same Constitution that you think gives businesses the right to discriminate, gives LGBTs and their allies the right to LOUDLY tell the ***holes to go to hell. And that is exactly what we intend to do.
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That was a long ass post to just say I have a right to force you to trade with me.
 
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