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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

MMC said:
Mornin EB. :2wave: Yeah the MS media and the left has played this out to deceive and lie about the law. Naturally the Democrats are making more out of it than whats there.

Already trying to shut down the discussion while talking about ifs, ands, or buts. Some maybe's.....Well this COULD happen. This might happen.

Here is the answer they should have been given.


If a frog had wings.....it wouldn't hit its ass everytime it hops.
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I keep saying that you can count on this subject to bring out the most hysterics and the best over the top hypotheticals imaginable. The weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, panic from posters would be funny if it wasn't head shakingly pathetic coming from adults. You have to read some of them to believe it.

I remember all of the panic and hysteria the last time something happened that involved the RFRA - you may remember it. Hobby Lobby. The over the top hypotheticals in that thread almost reached the level of hysteria in here. OMG women won't be able to get birth control again! Employers will fire every female employee on the pill! Girls are going to get tossed in gulags and forced into pregnancy! Women will have to travel 600 miles to find the closest pharmacy to sell them birth control! Oh noes!

That ruling was made in July of 2004. And here we are almost 9 months later...and the sky didn't fall. Women aren't in gulags. Employers aren't depriving their female employees of the fun of sex. And Hobby Lobby's sales are as strong as ever.

It all makes good theater, though. And in this thread, it gives the anti-religious people an opportunity to get their hatred out in the open under the guise of actually giving a **** about this law.
 
WCH said:
CINOs
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You nor others get to decide who claims any religion. She was more devout in her faith than many other Catholics than I've ever seen or heard of. She showed plenty of evidence of her faith all the time. Just as those Catholics who don't have an issue with birth control, which is a large percentage of Catholics.

A Majority of Catholics Support Gay Marriage - ABC News

82 Percent Of Catholics Say Birth Control Is 'Morally Acceptable' Despite Catholic Institutions' Crusade Against It | ThinkProgress

Most Catholics don't agree with many "tenets" put out by the Church. The thing is, Catholicism is so different than other Christian religions, that most Catholics still maintain more than enough of the foundational beliefs of Catholicism to consider themselves Catholic.
 
tres borrachos said:
I keep saying that you can count on this subject to bring out the most hysterics and the best over the top hypotheticals imaginable. The weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, panic from posters would be funny if it wasn't head shakingly pathetic coming from adults. You have to read some of them to believe it.

I remember all of the panic and hysteria the last time something happened that involved the RFRA - you may remember it. Hobby Lobby. The over the top hypotheticals in that thread almost reached the level of hysteria in here. OMG women won't be able to get birth control again! Employers will fire every female employee on the pill! Girls are going to get tossed in gulags and forced into pregnancy! Women will have to travel 600 miles to find the closest pharmacy to sell them birth control! Oh noes!

That ruling was made in July of 2004. And here we are almost 9 months later...and the sky didn't fall. Women aren't in gulags. Employers aren't depriving their female employees of the fun of sex. And Hobby Lobby's sales are as strong as ever.

It all makes good theater, though. And in this thread, it gives the anti-religious people an opportunity to get their hatred out in the open under the guise of actually giving a **** about this law.
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It all comes down to decisions based on emotion. [and parroting the party line]
 
tres borrachos said:
I keep saying that you can count on this subject to bring out the most hysterics and the best over the top hypotheticals imaginable. The weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, panic from posters would be funny if it wasn't head shakingly pathetic coming from adults. You have to read some of them to believe it.

I remember all of the panic and hysteria the last time something happened that involved the RFRA - you may remember it. Hobby Lobby. The over the top hypotheticals in that thread almost reached the level of hysteria in here. OMG women won't be able to get birth control again! Employers will fire every female employee on the pill! Girls are going to get tossed in gulags and forced into pregnancy! Women will have to travel 600 miles to find the closest pharmacy to sell them birth control! Oh noes!

That ruling was made in July of 2004. And here we are almost 9 months later...and the sky didn't fall. Women aren't in gulags. Employers aren't depriving their female employees of the fun of sex. And Hobby Lobby's sales are as strong as ever.

It all makes good theater, though. And in this thread, it gives the anti-religious people an opportunity to get their hatred out in the open under the guise of actually giving a **** about this law.
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Mornin TB.
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After reading all of this thread.....Note how those all talking that BS avoided the link with the Pro Gay Rights Attorney and Law Professor. He explained out the law quite well. Other attorneys are coming out from the left now saying the same thing. Giving consideration to those that believe in religions and or a God. That their Rights do need protection.

As I mentioned......this was designed by the left and CNN, allow the Atheists and haters of those that believe in religions to get their roll out and be loud and vocal. (Except not in front Arab Muslims where they would start all that visible trembling.) While the Demos play games with the politics and want specific wording. All done to deflect focus from Hillary and BO who have a world of hurt coming at them from MS media Reporting.

Now other Demos across the country are saying they wont allow State employees to travel to Indiana using state funds. Whats good about this is that those Demos can't waste money nor steal money from that little fund now. I would make note to watch those States governors and their books. Make sure those Demo governors aren't stealing that money for their own personal use.

I was laughing at the leftists talking about Boycotting the Final Four.....these people must truly be the dumbest that the left has to offer. What did they think people were going to pass out tickets and ask them if they are gay. :lamo

Then Apple CEO and host of some really really low information voters have spoken out. All coming out of Hollyweird and the Entertainment Industry. First someone needs to mention to them.....this isn't a movie set. 2nd don't talk unless told to talk. Just like on their movie sets and commercials. :lol:
 
roguenuke said:
You nor others get to decide who claims any religion. <snip>
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Actually, neither do you. Yet you do. You've decided that no religion teaches its members that being gay isn't right. You keep saying it's only people's personal views and has nothing to do with their religion.
 
roguenuke said:
You nor others get to decide who claims any religion. She was more devout in her faith than many other Catholics than I've ever seen or heard of. She showed plenty of evidence of her faith all the time. Just as those Catholics who don't have an issue with birth control, which is a large percentage of Catholics.

A Majority of Catholics Support Gay Marriage - ABC News

82 Percent Of Catholics Say Birth Control Is 'Morally Acceptable' Despite Catholic Institutions' Crusade Against It | ThinkProgress

Most Catholics don't agree with many "tenets" put out by the Church. The thing is, Catholicism is so different than other Christian religions, that most Catholics still maintain more than enough of the foundational beliefs of Catholicism to consider themselves Catholic.
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Just because you fell for the rhetoric doesn't mean it was right. This is part of the Great falling away.
 
tres borrachos said:
I keep saying that you can count on this subject to bring out the most hysterics and the best over the top hypotheticals imaginable. The weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, panic from posters would be funny if it wasn't head shakingly pathetic coming from adults. You have to read some of them to believe it.

I remember all of the panic and hysteria the last time something happened that involved the RFRA - you may remember it. Hobby Lobby. The over the top hypotheticals in that thread almost reached the level of hysteria in here. OMG women won't be able to get birth control again! Employers will fire every female employee on the pill! Girls are going to get tossed in gulags and forced into pregnancy! Women will have to travel 600 miles to find the closest pharmacy to sell them birth control! Oh noes!

That ruling was made in July of 2004. And here we are almost 9 months later...and the sky didn't fall. Women aren't in gulags. Employers aren't depriving their female employees of the fun of sex. And Hobby Lobby's sales are as strong as ever.

It all makes good theater, though. And in this thread, it gives the anti-religious people an opportunity to get their hatred out in the open under the guise of actually giving a **** about this law.
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Great post. Liberals once loved religious freedom till they hated it.
 
MMC said:
Mornin TB.
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After reading all of this thread.....Note how those all talking that BS avoided the link with the Pro Gay Rights Attorney and Law Professor. He explained out the law quite well. Other attorneys are coming out from the left now saying the same thing. Giving consideration to those that believe in religions and or a God. That their Rights do need protection.

As I mentioned......this was designed by the left and CNN, allow the Atheists and haters of those that believe in religions to get their roll out and be loud and vocal. (Except not in front Arab Muslims where they would start all that visible trembling.) While the Demos play games with the politics and want specific wording. All done to deflect focus from Hillary and BO who have a world of hurt coming at them from MS media Reporting.

Now other Demos across the country are saying they wont allow State employees to travel to Indiana using state funds. Whats good about this is that those Demos can't waste money nor steal money from that little fund now. I would make note to watch those States governors and their books. Make sure those Demo governors aren't stealing that money for their own personal use.

I was laughing at the leftists talking about Boycotting the Final Four.....these people must truly be the dumbest that the left has to offer. What did they think people were going to pass out tickets and ask them if they are gay. :lamo

Then Apple CEO and host of some really really low information voters have spoken out. All coming out of Hollyweird and the Entertainment Industry. First someone needs to mention to them.....this isn't a movie set. 2nd don't talk unless told to talk. Just like on their movie sets and commercials. :lol:
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I'm waiting for Starbucks to announce it's closing all of its stores in Indiana. They should be able to do that this afternoon. It's so easy!

The way this law has been twisted by the easily led who read Think Progress and believe they have any clue about the law is a sight to behold. Again, it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. I think everyone should get married - yes, gay people too - and I really don't care what people's preferences of a lover are, so I disagree with the religious right who think being gay is a sin. But if they believe it, that's their choice.

The ridiculous "what ifs" that came out in this thread (and others - there's another one where someone decided that because of this law, if you're black, you won't be able to get food on your family vacation in Indiana - not kidding) are what's wrong here. Just like the stupid what ifs from the Hobby Lobby decision. The people who put these absurd things out there are getting it from Think Progress and other hard left sites. That's why hyper partisan sites are so dangerous.

Yeah, they'll boycott the Final Four. :lol: Of course! But guess what? It will be "Um, we'll boycott it next year! Yeah!".

State travel to Indiana. :lamo That's my favorite. I'm watching Dannel Malloy getting owned by Joe Scarborough right now. I wish Joe would ask him just how much state travel to Indiana the CT lawmakers did. Oh, he says most fraternities are based in Indiana, and they should make a statement by just getting up and moving out of Indiana. What is with these idiot leftists who have no idea what it takes to move a business to another state?
 
Blemonds said:
We understand the goal is to remove, particularly, Christians from the marketplace.
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Absolutely wrong. Christians are as welcome as anyone in the marketplace. The goal is to remove BIGOTS from the marketplace...where they do not belong. The mistake that you are making is the assumption that ALL Christians are bigots and all bigots are Christian. Neither statement is true.
 
disneydude said:
Almost with fail.....those who play the CINO card are almost always the biggest "Cafeteria Catholics" around. Just look at NP.
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The catholic church itself is CINO. Compare today's CC to the inquisition and yeah...

Actually if you look at the church's history, i have no idea what catholicism is. Is it 4 popes? Is it plinury indulgence? Is it the crusades and papal army? Is it held captive by various forces, or a country of its own?
 
More hysterical, the sky is falling 'idiots' weighing in: (sarcasm off)

Nine corporate CEO's sent Pence an open letter asking that the state "immediately enacting new legislation that makes it clear that neither the Religious Freedom Restoration Act nor any other Indiana law can be used to justify discrimination based upon sexual orientation or gender identity."
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Gov. Pence: 'We will fix this and move forward'
 
roguenuke said:
You don't actually know that he would tell the gay guy "go forth...and sin no more...", or even if he did, what exact sin he was referring to. People simply assume, via their own personal (even if shared by others) interpretation of scriptures that Jesus did not approve of homosexuality, that God does not approve of homosexuality. It is even believed that Jesus helped a gay Roman soldier and said absolutely nothing about his being gay, in fact saying he was likely going to heaven.
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We dont actually KNOW there was a Jesus. What we do know is that if there was in fact a Jesus, while he promoted love and compassion and forgiveness, he never accepted nor did he tolerate sin and sinful behavior.

See...thats the problem when people that arent religious want to trot out WWJD to try to incriminate 'Christians'. They only want to use bits and pieces...the parts that are convenient to their version.
 
TurtleDude said:
nope, american liberalism-better deemed reactionary parasitic statism, is all about outsourcing adult decision making operations to the government now, some "liberals" are nothing more than power hungry scum who pander to that childlike desire in the liberal masses and want to be surrogate parents, but liberalism, as defined in America now, is all about avoiding responsibility
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"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives"

But of course this country's continued history of ****ting on minorities, until the fed steps in - slavery ending by war, segregation by the federal troops brushing aside george wallace, gay discrimination by federal courts - proves that true libery is *impossible* for them without government intervention.

Yet somehow it's the bigot landlord who evicts a gay tenant who loses sovereignty...what a ****ing joke. Talk about refusing to grow up and accept reality that not everyone has a fair shot at this principle

libertarianism - the only way to ensure liberty for all is to minimize the role of government. By liberty for all we mean white hetero christian males, since that is the only liberty that can be secured without government force

That should be the platform's new preamble and i can't think of anything less useless at this time
 
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AGENT J said:
hmmm interesting, well you are welcome to your opinion that accepting and understanding facts is boastful but id say that subjective opinion doesnt seem to fit the definition

boastful
1: a statement in which you express too much pride in yourself or in something you have, have done, or are connected to in some way
2: a reason to be proud : something impressive that someone or something has or has done

reading 1, doenst work because theres nothing "i" have done than posted facts . . .
reading 2, again the same thing, knowing facts isnt impressive, its common

but for the record i see no problem with being boastful, not does it impact my religion.
I am proud to be a reality based and fact based poster :shrug:

and the best part of that is none of that changes the fact of my original post of the facts presented here

is there some point you had? is your subjective opinion of such, which you are more than welcome to have relevant in any way to the topic or does it impact it in anyway?
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My observation isn't what you are saying but perhaps more so about how you are saying it. Yes, my subjective opinion, and be that as it may, do please proceed.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Your attitude is classic of those who are either homosexual, transsexual, or of ANY group who think that they are the only ones who have the right to speak on their issues and the only ones who understand it. The holier-than-thou attitude is yours and is pretty worthless. When you learn to start listening, perhaps then you'll learn something. As for me, I've done more for the gay and trans community than you could do in two lifetimes.
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There's certain things you cannot relate to. You cannot know how it is to worry that if your state passes a law, that it seems it inevitably will, suddenly your muslim landlord may evict you and you will have no recourse. You cannot know how it is to feel hated by an entire state when these laws pass either

So yeah when heterosexuals try to minimize the damage this causes, i think they're talking out of their ass
 
eohrnberger said:
1.)My observation isn't what you are saying but perhaps more so about how you are saying it.
2.) Yes, my subjective opinion, and be that as it may, do please proceed.
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1.) since its written you dont know how im saying, that would be a observation assumed or made up
2.) i will
odd you never answered the questions or addressed what i said though

the best part of that is none of that changes the fact of my original post of the facts presented here

is there some point you had? is your subjective opinion of such, which you are more than welcome to have, relevant in any way to the topic or does it impact it in anyway?
 
VanceMack said:
We dont actually KNOW there was a Jesus. What we do know is that if there was in fact a Jesus, while he promoted love and compassion and forgiveness, he never accepted nor did he tolerate sin and sinful behavior.

See...thats the problem when people that arent religious want to trot out WWJD to try to incriminate 'Christians'. They only want to use bits and pieces...the parts that are convenient to their version.
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Actually....the bigger problem is with those who claim to be "religious" but are really more political. There are many who proclaim the name "Christian" yet know almost nothing about the teachings of the man that they profess to worship. Where exactly did Jesus ever talk about homosexuality being a "sin"? In the same places he referred to as eating shellfish a sin?
 
disneydude said:
I love when right-wingers always try to play the "liberals are stupid" card. Statistics show a clear correlation between the amount of education and the degree of political bent. The higher a person is educated, the more liberal they generally are. Most right-wingers always try to blame the results on "liberal colleges"...but the reality remains. By and large the greater the education the greater the liberal bent. Sorry.
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That correlates to indoctrination, not intelligence
 
I am a CHRISTian, so for me personally I've always believed the teachings of Christ were more important then the Bible, especially the Old Testament of the Bible. Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality, so if it didn't bother him it doesn't both me.

Besides since the beginning of man 5% or so of the population has been homosexual. Always has been, and always will be. Wishing it away or trying to legislate it away is a waste of time.
 
disneydude said:
Actually....the bigger problem is with those who claim to be "religious" but are really more political. There are many who proclaim the name "Christian" yet know almost nothing about the teachings of the man that they profess to worship. Where exactly did Jesus ever talk about homosexuality being a "sin"? In the same places he referred to as eating shellfish a sin?
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Admittedly not a scriptorian and one that has chapter and verse memorized, but were there a lot of verses where Jesus taught against the sin of prostitution? And yet...
Go forth...and sin no more.
What of the apostles? Did they teach on about sin? Was there mention of the sin of homosexuality?

Again...non religious people like to trot out religion...when it suits them.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I am a CHRISTian, so for me personally I've always believed the teachings of Christ were more important then the Bible, especially the Old Testament of the Bible. Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality, so if it didn't bother him it doesn't both me.

Besides since the beginning of man 5% or so of the population has been homosexual. Always has been, and always will be. Wishing it away or trying to legislate it away is a waste of time.
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I am a Christian and I understand that the whole Bible is the teachings of Christ
 
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