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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

1) Higher level of intelligence?, No. Higher level of indoctrination by sniveling liberal professors who hide behind the walls of academia because they are too afraid and could never function in the real world?, yes. Which describes you obviously.
2) The people with drive, ambition, intellect, common sense and are the self-starters, go start businesses, rather than pay for #1.

Sorry.

Like I said in my post....most right-wingers always try to blame "liberal colleges" because they have no other answer to the facts.
 
I'm not defending anything...just pointing out a clearly ignorant and unsubstantiated claim.

It's just a fact that libertarians score higher on IQ tests than liberals. Why are you so defensive over this? Did you really think an ideology that is more emotional than rational could honestly outscore an ideology that is more rational than emotional?
 
It's just a fact that libertarians score higher on IQ tests than liberals. :shrug:

LOL. Really? Where did you deduce this beautiful truth, a random test given to 500 people?
 
It's just a fact that libertarians score higher on IQ tests than liberals. Why are you so defensive over this? Did you really think an ideology that is more emotional than rational could honestly outscore a ideology that is more rational than emotional?

Where does this come from?
 
I was correcting your error by stating it was about anti-discrimination. And my point stands and is accurate that the laws are similar in their effect, forced servitude and and rape

I just have to say that's the most ridiculous analogy I've seen in quite some time. Find a slave somewhere and compare a baker being forced to bake a cake with his or her condition. Not sure if they'd laugh, cry, or beat you into a pulp if given a chance, but they sure would be insulted by the comparison.

I'm sure there's lots of actual rape victims around. Maybe you can try it out on one of them too. Should be interesting!
 
Nothing more satisfying than seeing the intolerable bigots who passed this legislation reeling all over the place.
 
There's a whole bunch of non-collegiate grads who will get to heaven when the pro-gay intellectuals wind up elsewhere. Revelation 21:8

Isn't that bearing false witness there?
 
Oh? Ok, so how is forcing someone to serve others not involuntary servitude? Well?

Because the person opened a business to the public. It's a part of the deal they agreed to when they opened that business, to comply with federal, state and local laws including anti-discrimination laws and to serve the PUBLIC. No one goes into business thinking they can deny service to blacks or Jews anymore, and in the current environment they will also understand that if they're in the wedding business, they'll need to provide services to gay weddings.

If the legislature wants to carve out exceptions for wedding planners, OK. But it's not "involuntary servitude" to be asked to comply with local laws. We have some rental properties and have to comply with ADA regs. Is that involuntary servitude? No, it's part of owning rental property open to the public - we signed onto that when we built commercial rental property. If he didn't want to comply, maybe my father in law should have invested in mutual funds.
 
It's just a fact that libertarians score higher on IQ tests than liberals. Why are you so defensive over this? Did you really think an ideology that is more emotional than rational could honestly outscore an ideology that is more rational than emotional?

Libertarianism, the smartest ideology in an empty room.
 
The context here is Indiana and guess what. Indiana doesn't have a law protecting homosexuals from discrimination and a lot of businesses opened before such laws were in place elsewhere

Yeah, and.... Changes in laws apply to existing businesses, and they don't get to pick which ones to comply with and which ones they will ignore.
 
Because the person opened a business to the public. It's a part of the deal they agreed to when they opened that business, to comply with federal, state and local laws including anti-discrimination laws and to serve the PUBLIC. No one goes into business thinking they can deny service to blacks or Jews anymore, and in the current environment they will also understand that if they're in the wedding business, they'll need to provide services to gay weddings.

If the legislature wants to carve out exceptions for wedding planners, OK. But it's not "involuntary servitude" to be asked to comply with local laws. We have some rental properties and have to comply with ADA regs. Is that involuntary servitude? No, it's part of owning rental property open to the public - we signed onto that when we built commercial rental property. If he didn't want to comply, maybe my father in law should have invested in mutual funds.

Why do you think a government license would be a way for government to bypass the Constitution?
 
And in 1998 there wasn't a big fight over gay marriage. The politics around the issue has completely changed. Which is what this Illinois law is all about. It's revenge against gay marriage becoming illegal all over the country. With this law the concern is how the law will be applied. In 1993 and 1997 there was no concerns.

Yes, the politics of same-sex marriage have changed. Back before passage of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in 1996, Democrats argued that there was no need for a federal amendment banning same-sex marriage because that was a matter that was best left to the states. However, to assuage supporters of the federal amendment as well as a wary public during an election year, members of both parties overwhelmingly supported passage of DOMA (342-67 in the House and 85-14 in the Senate). But then just over two years ago we had the spectacle of an ex-President who argued in the Washington Post that the bill he signed into law defining marriage in the manner in which it's been practiced in this country since before it was founded was unconstitutional :doh (Bill Clinton: It's time to overturn DOMA). I guess when you're running for reelection your judgment tends to get clouded.

So, yeah, the politics of same-sex marriage have changed (even if support for same-sex unions seems to have stalled among members of the public in Indiana Same-sex marriage in Indiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), but I don't think much has changed when it comes to people's attitudes concerning religious freedom:

While finding that Americans narrowly favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally marry, a new Associated Press-GfK poll also shows most believe wedding-related businesses should be allowed to deny service to same-sex couples for religious reasons. :shock:

AP-GfK Poll: Support for same-sex marriage comes with caveats – LGBTQ Nation
 
Isn't that bearing false witness there?

Nope. And there's no freedom in decadent behavior either.

Washington once noted, “If you remove religious principles from the schools you are going to lose national morality.”

Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence who was also known as the “Father of Public Schools,” once had this to offer: “The only foundation for a republic is…religion. Without it there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty.”

Don’t miss the significance of that last statement: “..without virtue there can be no liberty….” The principle is clear – a lack of virtue engenders bondage. As one writer noted, “Intemperate men can never be free because their passions give rise to their fetters (bindings).” The more liberties a godless people achieve, the more enslaved they ultimately become in their worldly obsessions.

Still another founding father, the Reverend John Witherspoon, mirrored Benjamin Rush when he declared, “…Civil liberty cannot long be preserved without virtue….” (righterreport.com)

God is not mocked. There's going to be a price to pay for this Sodom and Gomorrah decadence, either on earth or in the hereafter. Be forewarned.
 
Libertarianism, the smartest ideology in an empty room.

a philosophy that is adopted mainly by people who don't want to grow up is hardly a philosophy that caters to geniuses
 
a philosophy that is adopted mainly by people who don't want to grow up is hardly a philosophy that caters to geniuses

Wait, what? That literally makes no sense, at all. It seems to me liberals are all for change and "growing up"
 
Wait, what? That literally makes no sense, at all. It seems to me liberals are all for change and "growing up"

Are they really for growing up? Is that why their ideology treats everyone like babies?
 
Wait, what? That literally makes no sense, at all. It seems to me liberals are all for change and "growing up"

nope, american liberalism-better deemed reactionary parasitic statism, is all about outsourcing adult decision making operations to the government now, some "liberals" are nothing more than power hungry scum who pander to that childlike desire in the liberal masses and want to be surrogate parents, but liberalism, as defined in America now, is all about avoiding responsibility
 
Are they really for growing up? Is that why their ideology treats everyone like babies?

Lots of people want someone else to make the tough decisions for them and to assume the risk of such decisions
 
I'm sure as hell not talking about classical liberals.

nope, we are talking about reactionary parasitic statists-the current big government American left
 
nope, american liberalism-better deemed reactionary parasitic statism, is all about outsourcing adult decision making operations to the government now, some "liberals" are nothing more than power hungry scum who pander to that childlike desire in the liberal masses and want to be surrogate parents, but liberalism, as defined in America now, is all about avoiding responsibility

Ok, you said that a whole lot better than I could. GG Turtle.
 
Btw, the average IQ of those that are considered liberals is 94, while the average IQ of those considered libertarians is 110. Just sayin'...

Maybe you know enough about math to tell me the difference.

LOL, you sure you didn't flip those numbers? Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals? - Reason.com

Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Of course someone else parsed the data to find that classical liberals score highest...
 
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