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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

Photographers don't facilitate weddings. They document them. It would be like the authors of the books of the bible refusing to do so because sins were documented in the books.
That's a weak comparison. Photographers do indeed facilitate the wedding. Forcing them do photograph the wedding is a gross act of intolerant bigotry
 
Granted, if you're in the majority it's a pretty toothless threat. If you're in the minority you can find yourself marginalized from society, business, investment...education, which creates a much larger problem for the minority in question.
I'm in the minority so your argument fails
 
Let's look at the reality. A business owner tells a customer he does not sell products or offer services for same sex weddings. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. He makes no effort to stop the wedding, or interfere in the wedding or to punish the wedding participants.

On the other hand, the same sex couple sets out to punish the business owner by having the state force the owner to act against his wishes or pay fines and penalties even to the point of driving the owner out of business.

One party wants to control his own business based on his own beliefs. The same sex couple wants to harm the business owner based on their beliefs.

Her's a tip. If that same sex couple wants to harm someone because they don't agree with their beliefs and comply with their wishes, the same sex couple are the intolerant bigots

So the gays are to blame for public accommodation laws? :lol:

Quit trying to pretend that these business owners are poor defenseless victims. They could simply become a private club and they could discriminate 'til the Klansmen come home.
 
This made me laugh.

"People of conscience". Religious people have no more conscience than anyone else.
And yet they are being discriminated against, by governments. Kudos to Mike Pence for standing up for freedom
 
That's a weak comparison. Photographers do indeed facilitate the wedding. Forcing them do photograph the wedding is a gross act of intolerant bigotry

That poor photographer. It will probably take years of therapy to overcome the trauma. Such a victim.
 
That is exactly what they're doing. If a business owner declines to do business for certain events based on his personal beliefs, he is punished to the point of being forced out of business. That is a discrimination of sorts that some people find acceptable

False again. That is not the government discriminating, that is the business owner discriminating - the government basically says treat all customers equally - whatever you offer for sale to one customer, you must offer for sale to another customer.
 
I'm in the minority so your argument fails

I don't care if you're gay, Eskimo, left-handed and work as a prosthodontist. If you're in the minority and the majority has taken it upon themselves to discriminate against you you'll be marginalized.
 
So the gays are to blame for public accommodation laws? :lol:

Quit trying to pretend that these business owners are poor defenseless victims. They could simply become a private club and they could discriminate 'til the Klansmen come home.
Better yet, let's quit trying to pretend that the anti-discrimination laws are anything but intolerant bigotry
 
That poor photographer. It will probably take years of therapy to overcome the trauma. Such a victim.
How much therapy will a same sex couple require if they have to interview an alternate photographer?
 
That poor photographer. It will probably take years of therapy to overcome the trauma. Such a victim.

I held a personal candlelight vigil for him myself.
 
What an utter waste of time and cash. There is no way this wont be challenged and no will it will be allowed to stand by the courts. Basically this yokel is wasting taxpayers cash to try and ginny up some political support. Shame the taxpayers will suffer due to this BS.
 
How do the businesses find out they are gay?

"A homosexual, an atheist, a vegan, and a crossfitter walk into a bar...I only know because they told everyone within two minutes."
 
And yet they are being discriminated against, by governments. Kudos to Mike Pence for standing up for freedom

No they aren't.
 
False again. That is not the government discriminating, that is the business owner discriminating - the government basically says treat all customers equally - whatever you offer for sale to one customer, you must offer for sale to another customer.
If a business owner is punished for running his business according to his personal beliefs, yes, it's discrimination, bigotry at its worst
 
Better yet, let's quit trying to pretend that the anti-discrimination laws are anything but intolerant bigotry

You are killing me, here. :rofl

You should organize a march in Oklahoma City.
 
How much therapy will a same sex couple require if they have to interview an alternate photographer?

That's not the issue. The issue is why. If the photographer said he was already booked, there would be no problem. If the photographer says "I can't do it because Jesus wants me to marginalize people who are born like you.", that's were the issue is.
 
Just as it is appropriate for one to choose a business with which one wishes, so should a business be able to choose its customers. While refusing to do business with gays is stupid business I stand on the side of the business to choose to conduct stupid business if it so wishes. While I think this is a stupid law it is less stupid than whatever law caused the government to decide with whom a business should conduct its business. If one stupid law counteracts another stupid law then I guess it is a zero sum.

The constitution is designed to limit the power of government and to protect the people from the government. It has no business messing with business so long as a business isn't cheating or hurting anyone. Refusing service to someone whether they are gay, green or aren't wearing shoes and a shirt, is a matter of choice and freedom. Those folks can find businesses that are less stupid. People should have the right to make stupid decisions if that is what they want to do. It is not the role of government to protect people from their own decisions so long as the decisions aren't otherwise hurtful to others.

That is what this Hoosier believes.
 
This will clearly be declared unconstitutional if for nothing else being impractical in practice unless there's a companion bill that requires gay people to wear the scarlet letter.
I don't believe that the constitution grants the federal government any powers that would give them a say in the matter.
 
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Can I get a witness?

You do know Black ministers are angry at the Gay agenda for stealing their civil rights thunder? They don't find it humorous.
 
Hiding behind religion to practice bigotry is a crock of chit. If they held their religious convictions so strongly they wouldn't be open. They would have to refuse service to all "sinners".

Maybe, through their actions, gays have raised themselve to a new level of indecency. A bigger , more in your face sort of sin
 
I don't profess to be a US Constitution expert, but doesn't the Commerce Clause give government the right to do just that - determine the laws and regulations under which intrastate and interstate commerce may be conducted?
Yes, exactly. The federal government's power to intrude on the rights of business owners in this area is very limited in scope. The only reason they have any power at all is because of some creative interpretation of the interstate commerce clause.
 
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Rock on guys.....rock on. :roll:

If, instead of forcing businesses to change the government still allowed that practice...how many do you think would still be in business today?

Personally...I think history has PROVEN society grows. Society changes. Societies tends to evolve. Had their not been a civil war, I truly believe slavery would have died within 10-15 years and the civil rights transformation would have been both swifter and healthier.

The gay rights movement is no different. Many people have changed their minds and position on gay rights. You know what HASNT brought about that change? Bitter angry hate filled people running around the streets in assless chaps carrying signs about how 'normal' they are and screaming in peoples faces about their 'rights'. All that has EVER done is A-made themselves look like clowns in assless chaps and B-strengthened peoples resolve against them.

A baker chooses to not bake a cake for a gay wedding. Get the **** over it and send your business elsewhere. Tell your friends. Hell...if enough agree the baker that chose not to do business with you will either adapt or go out of business.
 
You do know Black ministers are angry at the Gay agenda for stealing their civil rights thunder? They don't find it humorous.


You know that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People acknowledges that same-sex civil marriage is a Civil Rights struggle.


"“The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure the political, social and economic equality of all people,” said Roslyn M. Brock, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the NAACP. “We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law.”

“Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP’s support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people.” said Benjamin Todd Jealous, President and CEO of the NAACP."​

NAACP Passes Resolution in Support of Marriage Equality | NAACP



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Then I have to patronize businesses that don't discriminate against me. Problem solved

I am an atheist in a mixed race marriage and I think private, non-essential businesses should be able to discriminate for whatever stupid reason they want. And we have the right to publicly shame them out of business. I sure don't want a theocracy.

However, we shouldn't be allowing any government to run them out of business or fine/jail them.
 
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