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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

Have you been discriminated against on account of race, color, creed, sex, or national origin (or sexual preference if you are in a state that has those protected classes) ?

Yes.

You're protected as being one of those classes of people - in every instance.

Now, see, this statement of yours presumes the answer to the above question was a "no", and in fact it wasn't a "no", but a "yes".
 
Try to explain to a minority that society will start treating them like human beings when society is damn good and ready. Can't get that pesky gubmint involved, after all!

Minorities have a remarkable track record of making things happen without government. Why don't you give them a little credit for a change?
 
Try to explain to a minority that society will start treating them like human beings when society is damn good and ready. Can't get that pesky gubmint involved, after all!

It's not "society" it's other human beings in general, and other human beings don't have to like what you like to do. Nor do they have to serve you.
 
I meant the actor who plays Sheldon, Jim Parsons is gay. Hopefully that clarifies things.

The actor? They did a movie of the Foundation Trilogy? Wow! Who plays the Mule? What's the name of the series/movie?
 
It's pretty hypocritical for you and the other cons to complain about doing business with communists - when just about everything you're touching right now comes from there.

The businesses here have a much great affect on what happens in their own country and employees than purchasing good from the world's largest exporter of goods.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Your ignorance is painful.
 
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Protected class? I wanna be a protected class. I want a Humbolt class. I didn't realize that gays should be a protected class, and I see nothing in the Indiana text that discriminates. I think it's largely in your mind, which I might add seems suspect of some kind of discrimination itself. Where's all the tolerance I've heard so much about? Why, it's no where to be seen.

No person or particular group is a "protected class". Every person is protected by pretty much every protected classification in laws. You can't discriminate by race, any race. Doesn't matter if someone is trying to deny you service based on you being white, black, Asian, Indian, Native American, or any other race, which means every person is covered. Can't discriminate based on sex. This means that whether you are legally a man or woman, you cannot be denied service. You can't discriminate based on religion (or lack of), which means that no matter your beliefs, you are a "protected class" if someone denies you service based solely on your religious beliefs.
 
This sounds like complete hokum to me. I've read about this, and I didn't find anything of such a nature in any of my readings. It sounds to me like some people want an issue, and it also sounds like complete BS.

Then you need to read more. Its not hard to find. Let me see if I can find you a link. Its pretty simple to see the differences.
 
That's because they don't consider it progress if they can't control and brand it.

I think that they find that government is the only entity that can solve problems. They seem to have no faith in the human race or themselves for that matter.

What really gets me is that they oppose the elite, but at the same time they lean on the political elite for everything. Don't even get me started on their views on monolopies. Ok, ok, I will go into it.

Oh no, monopolies are bad, terrible oppressive things, well, unless they are a government monopolies, then I want to know why we don't have it yet. - liberals everywhere
 
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No person or particular group is a "protected class". Every person is protected by pretty much every protected classification in laws. You can't discriminate by race, any race. Doesn't matter if someone is trying to deny you service based on you being white, black, Asian, Indian, Native American, or any other race, which means every person is covered. Can't discriminate based on sex. This means that whether you are legally a man or woman, you cannot be denied service. You can't discriminate based on religion (or lack of), which means that no matter your beliefs, you are a "protected class" if someone denies you service based solely on your religious beliefs.

Sorry, no. Words have meaning and the term "protected class" has a solid legal meaning and the classes are defined in law. It is not an all inclusive term.
 
It's not "society" it's other human beings in general, and other human beings don't have to like what you like to do. Nor do they have to serve you.

So you're fine with "whites only" businesses?
 
Why is being pro-homosexual a valid excuse for discrimination?

Show that this is actually happening. Anyone can refuse to make a cake with wording on it that they feel is hurtful, wrong, etc., so long as they refuse to do so for everyone.
 
This sounds like complete hokum to me. I've read about this, and I didn't find anything of such a nature in any of my readings. It sounds to me like some people want an issue, and it also sounds like complete BS.

Here you go. This is a pretty straight forward and I would say very fair comparison of the laws directly from the Indiana Press. It gives both the proponent and opponent arguments so you can pretty much judge for yourself.:
How Indiana's RFRA differs from federal version
 
Sorry, no. Words have meaning and the term "protected class" has a solid legal meaning and the classes are defined in law. It is not an all inclusive term.

The legal meaning is exactly as I said. Show me differently. Prove that a person could refuse to serve a white person or man or Christian just because of those factors without violating the public accommodation laws.
 
The actor? They did a movie of the Foundation Trilogy? Wow! Who plays the Mule? What's the name of the series/movie?

I don't believe a movie was made about the Foundation Trilogy, which actually has 2 sequels and 2 prequels not to mention a continuation trilogy by David Brin, Grear Bear and Gregory Benford along with countless books related to the Foundation Universe. My favorite being Psychohistorical Crisis by Donald Kingsbury.

The did make a movie about I Robot starring Will Smith, perhaps you have heard of him.
 
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