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German plane intentionally crashed

iguanaman said:
Precautions following 911 are exactly what caused the pilot to not be able to enter the cockpit. The doors were armored and a locking system was installed. It functioned perfectly. It was not supposed to protect the aircraft from the pilots.
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It sure didn't work here, did it? It was also foreseeable that one of the pilots himself could be a threat, either because he was a jihadist or just mentally unbalanced. I don't accept that it was necessary to allow this situation to prevent a 9/11-style hijacking. I think there were--and are--ways to prevent both.
 
JoeTrumps said:
they are saying the guy suffered from depression. who wants to bet this entire thing happened because of A WOMAN. why do I say that? easy....it's always about a woman.

wait and see
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Ummmm....okaaaaay.

Are you blaming women for this tragedy?


And, btw, of course he was depressed (or just nuts).

Sane, happy people don't just fly planes deliberately into mountains.

'Man...life is great. Oh no...it's going to rain tonight. That does it...I am flying this pig into those mountains.'
 
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Moot said:
It's only day three.....and to my knowledge, they haven't released the audio tape to the public. They're still looking for the other tape that was blown out of its box. Since the plane was literally pulverized and the enormity of the debris field.....it will probably take awhile before they can finally conclude what happened. But, here's what they know so far (not complete)....


After reaching 6000 ft...the plane was deliberately set into a downward descent.

The plane glided downward at a steady pace for 8 minutes before impact.

There weren't any distress signals coming from the plane. Ground control could not make contact.

Based on the debris field, the plane didn't explode in mid air.

On the recording, the co-pilot is breathing normal inside the cockpit....while pilot is outside pounding on the door. Screams were heard suggesting the passengers became aware they were about to crash in the last seconds before impact.

The plane was pulverized...no survivors.

Co-pilot was 28 year old German citizen, trained in Arizona before getting job with Lufthansa in 2013.
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Thank you. I suppose he couldn't have engaged to key override had be been passed out. Could he have fallen onto whatever pushes a plane downward? I don't know how the cockpit is arranged, so I am entertaining the possibility
 
matchlight said:
It sure didn't work here, did it? It was also foreseeable that one of the pilots himself could be a threat, either because he was a jihadist or just mentally unbalanced. I don't accept that it was necessary to allow this situation to prevent a 9/11-style hijacking. I think there were--and are--ways to prevent both.
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I worked to keep who ever was in the cockpit safe from anybody in the cabin and that was the intent of the measures. How was this "foresseable"?
 
DA60 said:
Ummmm....okaaaaay.

Are you blaming women for this tragedy?
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do you blame religion for 9/11?
so when it comes out that he did this because some skirt dumped on this guy.....yes, I will blame women
 
Deuce said:
Too bad. Statistically speaking it's about the safest thing you can do.
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It's also the one thing the government will violate my privacy for ever single time I do it. :shrug: I don't avoid it because I'm scared to fly, but because I don't want to deal with big brother and his invasive ****.
 
Lovebug said:
Thank you. I suppose he couldn't have engaged to key override had be been passed out. Could he have fallen onto whatever pushes a plane downward? I don't know how the cockpit is arranged, so I am entertaining the possibility
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The plane was on auto-pilot and the co-pilot turned the dial that controlled the descent. It is high on the the dashboard and cannot be moved accidentally.
 
JoeTrumps said:
do you blame religion for 9/11?
so when it comes out that he did this because some skirt dumped on this guy.....yes, I will blame women
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So the man who did it has no responsibility? That is ludicrous. He was bat**** crazy and had no business in the air.
 
JoeTrumps said:
do you blame religion for 9/11?
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No. I blame people for 9/11... Religion is just the excuse.
so when it comes out that he did this because some skirt dumped on this guy.....yes, I will blame women
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Once again...okaaaaaay.

So it is women's fault that this nut bag deliberately flew a plane, loaded with innocent people, into a mountain?

Sir...I find that creepy and disturbing.
 
I wonder why he felt compelled to do that? Another shameful, tragedy.
 
DA60 said:
No. I blame people for 9/11... Religion is just the excuse.


Once again...okaaaaaay.

So it is women's fault that this nut bag deliberately flew a plane, loaded with innocent people, into a mountain?

Sir...I find that creepy and disturbing.
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I'm half-kidding. but I will still be correct.
 
iguanaman said:
I worked to keep who ever was in the cockpit safe from anybody in the cabin and that was the intent of the measures. How was this "foresseable"?
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Are you really suggesting no one could possibly have imagined that the pilot or co-pilot himself might take over the plane by waiting until the other one had left the cockpit, and then locking him out? And are you really suggesting there is no possible way to design an aircraft to allow the pilot and co-pilot access to the cockpit, while denying it to anyone else? I don't buy either one.
 
Lovebug said:
This is a good point. What other evidence do they have? Perhaps experts have explained this already, and if so, my apologies.
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They would or should be able to tell if he was sleeping or even unconscious as breathing slows down considerably.

I'm assuming his breathing never changed.
The mental and emotional capacity of someone who's willing to fly a a plane load of innocent people into the side of a mountain would lend some clues as to why his breathing didn't seem laboured as he lost altitude and got closer to the Mountains.

He's either a Sociopath or is severely mentally ill.
 
Reason #1,641,652 as to why i will avoid airplane travel if possible: Possible Bat****-Crazy Pilot/Co-Pilot
 
Henrin said:
Just another reason why it is a bad idea to put your life in someone else's hands.
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Very true statement. Sometimes it is necessary I guess, if you want to fly commercial that is. I don't fly.

Edited to add: I don't like to fly unless I absolutely have to do so. Luckily, I haven't had to for over 20 years. I feel perfectly safe riding my motorcycle anywhere I want, but am terrified to fly on an airplane.
 
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I watched a press conference on Fox News this morning (forget if it was live or not), but they were talking about this and the CEO of Lufthansa looked like he wanted to put a shotgun in his mouth.
 
Montecresto said:
I have no access to TV where I'm at presently, just satellite radio, which is fine less photos. I assume he doesn't have the appearance of a Muslim extremist, if I can say that.
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Nope. He's all Teutonic from appearances.

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Lovebug said:
Just why though? And how can it prevented?
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24 Americans purposely crashed their private planes to die in the last couple of decades. They wanted to kill themselves.
Once an individual being decides that it's own existence is no longer bearable/wanted/necessary.. The lives of others become incidental to that.
One instant simple fix would be to put a third pilot back in the cockpit, so nobody is ever left alone there. They were cut as an economy measure.
Some airlines already mandate that pilots must never leave the cockpit while airborne for short-haul flights, such as that one. Long-haul, you need three, any two awake.
 
Fenton said:
So there WAS a external Cipher lock on the **** pit door ?

Why on earth would they install internal overide ?
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The security experts were adament about control of the door being in the cockpit. They were concerned that if bad guys took control of the passenger compartment they could force one of the air crew to open the door.
 
Moot said:
But....a person can still breath when they're unconscious.


On the tape, investigators said they could hear the co-pilot breathing normal right up to the end. But.... if he consciously knew he was about to die...wouldn't he breath a little faster or more erratic....not even a gasp?
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Good point. I think even if he was intent on crashing that bird into the mountain he would have made a grunt or growl. I know I would have had to yell a "Holy Crap this is going to Hurt".
 
LowDown said:
The security experts were adament about control of the door being in the cockpit. They were concerned that if bad guys took control of the passenger compartment they could force one of the air crew to open the door.
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And they weren't wrong to do it that way.

Crosscheck said:
Good point. I think even if he was intent on crashing that bird into the mountain he would have made a grunt or growl. I know I would have had to yell a "Holy Crap this is going to Hurt".
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It didn't hurt.
 
tres borrachos said:
I had the same thought about the babies. Not that it makes what happened to them any better - it doesn't - but they were blissfully unaware.
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i respectfully disagree. I've seen babies take on the emotions of those around them. The screaming must have also been quite loud to be heard on the cockpit recorder.
 
Moot said:
But....a person can still breath when they're unconscious.


On the tape, investigators said they could hear the co-pilot breathing normal right up to the end. But.... if he consciously knew he was about to die...wouldn't he breath a little faster or more erratic....not even a gasp?
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Could he have taken a drug to put him in that state?
 
Fenton said:
They would or should be able to tell if he was sleeping or even unconscious as breathing slows down considerably.

I'm assuming his breathing never changed.
The mental and emotional capacity of someone who's willing to fly a a plane load of innocent people into the side of a mountain would lend some clues as to why his breathing didn't seem laboured as he lost altitude and got closer to the Mountains.

He's either a Sociopath or is severely mentally ill.
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Or he was drugged up along wirh being a sociopath.
 
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