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Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

Wasn't it Susan Rice, when she was Ambassador to the U.N., who went on the Sunday talk shows to peddle the baloney that the murders of U.S. diplomatic personnel in Benghazi was caused by a video that insulted Mohammed? She also insisted that Mr. Bergdahl "served his country with honor and distinction." Just those two claims, by themselves, are enough to make her a world-class liar--perfectly suited to serve in the administration of the biggest damned liar of all, B. Hussein Obama.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm discussing the fact that Republicans agreed with bringing back Obama, until they had a change of heart, after he was actually brought back.
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The OP cited an article stating a news reality. There was all of 2 sentences in there attributed to John McCain, one of which was expressing confidence in the DoD to investigate and resolve. The OP didnt attack Obama. And in response to the facts regarding Bergdahl...you have posted a never ending diatribe about...the other guys.

Ironic...considering.
 
Fenton said:
Seriously ? People want to LYNCH the President ??
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I know a dog whistle word when I hear it--I know just what "lynch" refers to. Once again, reich-wing bigots are hating on our president for no reason except that he is an African-American.
 
Fenton said:
But...but " he served with distinction and honor " !!

LOL !! How embarrassing. Your post and Susan Rice's statements. Obama letting 5 terrorist loose was just disgusting..

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I'm not talking about the trade...I'm talking about the hypocrisy of the right-wing who was condemning Obama for not acting quickly enough to free Bergdahl before they got their right-wing talking points. NP is a perfect example. He was all over this site criticizing Obama for not working quickly enough to secure the release of Bergdahl. Oops!
 
VanceMack said:
The OP cited an article stating a news reality
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Well, you finally realized that your accusation of "irony" fell far short of the actual post. The "new reality" is that Republicans had a change of heart after the guy was brought back. I'm still in favor of having brought him back. Those 5 camel jockies we traded for him didn't have the insight into the US army that a soldier would have. Crazy, I know. Trading somebody who could have given them insight into the US military for any of the thousands of prisoners which we could simply bomb out of the sky any other week. Totes crazy.

Ironic...considering.
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I don't think you actually know what that word means. I'm not pointing to Republicans because of what they're doing, I'm laughing at their demonstrable hypocrisy. :shrug: As MMC said: This was going to be a catch-22 for Obama. Bring him back? Republicans complain about trading him. Keep him there? Complain about not bringing him back.
 
Hatuey said:
Only it isn't. Republicans want to lynch Obama for doing what they asked be done. The proof is in their words. Not parsing what you think they said.
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BINGO Hatuey....you are absolutely correct. This is just a classic example of right-wing hypocrisy at its finest.
 
disneydude said:
BINGO Hatuey....you are absolutely correct. This is just a classic example of right-wing hypocrisy at its finest.
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I don't think it's "right wing hypocrisy". I think it's "Republican hypocrisy", but all I can do is laugh at it because it's patently obvious. Everyone seemed on board with the idea of bringing Berghdal back. Until they weren't. Then when he was here, he became a traitor and all that other stuff. I don't doubt that it's political. As MMC said, this was a Catch-22 for Obama. No matter what he did, Republicans would figure out something to complain about even though they themselves advocated for his return on NUMEROUS occasions and across VARIOUS formats and podiums. In the end, I don't care. I just found it really funny. It must have been an evolution in their positions.

I think for the most part, Democrats still support bringing him back. I know I do. He has far more insight into the US military than a civilian. It's possible that he could have been training some of them and even giving them intel. That's not somebody we want to keep in their hands for long. It's clear that he was useful to them or they wouldn't have kept him alive. We traded him for 5 terrorists. Good, any country with an understanding of what is risked by keeping soldiers in enemy hands would do the same. Ask Israel.

:lol:
 
MMC said:
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Uhm, that should be Private no stripe.
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Oh that was good. I'm jealous.
 
jaeger19 said:
And.. if he deserted... why was it that no one saw him leave camp in a hostile area. If he could leave undetected.. then it stands to reason the enemy could have entered undetected. This smells to high heaven.
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From all accounts his unit was notorious for being undisciplined, insubordinate, and ignoring rules of combat. Their commanding officer was demoted and reassigned but wasn't replaced so they were there at that outpost without any commissioned officers. Instead they were led by an inexperienced Sergeant that everyone ignored without consequence. They were going out on missions wearing cutoff t-shirts, bandannas, and baseball caps for goodness sake. If he hadn't left, they probably would have gotten him killed anyway. One hast to wonder whether deserting is justified when your unit has been abandoned by military leadership and you're stuck in a hostile country in the middle of a war and surrounded by a bunch of yahoos who do whatever the heck they want whenever they want to. These issues were known before they were shipped out so they never should have been deployed in the first place let alone dropped into their own outpost and left to their own devices. In my view, the whole series of events is an indictment on the incompetence of the brass rather than the nobody who walked away from it all.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Did they all know then that he was a deserter like Obama must have when he made the deal?
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Don't know that anyone must have known anything. What I do know is what everyone else knows for sure. That there were missions that went to look for Berghdal almost immediately after he went missing. That there are 5 years of quotes where the administration as well as many congress critters called for his return. And that Obama did everything he could to bring the guy back only to be flogged publicly by people who wanted just that. In either case, it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. if Berghdal really did something heinously illegal, he should be convicted for it. Leaving him in Afghanistan when members of his unit admit that it made them unsafe is simply not acceptable.
 
Hatuey said:
Well, you finally realized that your accusation of "irony" fell far short of the actual post. The "new reality" is that Republicans had a change of heart after the guy was brought back. I'm still in favor of having brought him back. Those 5 camel jockies we traded for him didn't have the insight into the US army that a soldier would have. Crazy, I know. Trading somebody who could have given them insight into the US military for any of the thousands of prisoners which we could simply bomb out of the sky any other week. Totes crazy.



I don't think you actually know what that word means. I'm not pointing to Republicans because of what they're doing, I'm laughing at their demonstrable hypocrisy. :shrug: As MMC said: This was going to be a catch-22 for Obama. Bring him back? Republicans complain about trading him. Keep him there? Complain about not bringing him back.
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Right. You are ignoring the op, the facts of the story, and instead attacking republicans. That's an act you said people only do when they have no argument. Ironic.
 
jmotivator said:
So you are objecting to the conclusion of the Military investigation because you don't know the story?

Seems rational... :roll:
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I've seen what the military has done in the past, I'll wait until the information is released to the public.
 
VanceMack said:
Right. You are ignoring the op, the facts of the story, and instead attacking republicans.
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Not even. Making fun of them for not standing by what they advocated on the very issue. Instead of pointing at phantom occurrences of perceived hypocrisy. Keep trying?
 
Hatuey said:
I'm discussing the fact that Republicans agreed with bringing back Obama, until they had a change of heart, after he was actually brought back.
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I would like to see where anyone wanted your obama to trade 5 top level terrorists for this traitor.

And, you wonder why we don't want your obama negotiating with Iran?
 
Hatuey said:
Only it isn't. Republicans want to lynch Obama for doing what they asked be done. The proof is in their words. Not parsing what you think they said.
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Republicans asked Obama to bring home what they believed to be one of our brave fighting men who had been captured by the enemy while in the line of duty, not some coward who sneaked away in the dead of night, deserted his post, abandoned his comrades and sought out the enemy.

How stupid do you think the members of this forum are?

Everyone in America, not just Republicans, were lied to by the Administration. We were all led to believe that the president was trading those 5 dangerous, high level Taliban terrorists to save the life of a military hero who was taken prisoner while risking his life in service of the nation... With the exception of those who have OD'd on the Kool-Aid, this is common knowledge.

Your attempt to paint Republican's as dishonest, politically motivated hypocrites who sand-bagged Obama is a lie.... A lie that you not only knowingly and willingly used to attack the right, but continued using even after you were called out and your lie was exposed.

If that's not the definition of both pathetic and despicable, then I don't know what is.
 
keymanjim said:
I would like to see where anyone wanted your obama to trade 5 top level terrorists for this traitor.
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My Obama? I don't own him. What do you think was meant by "exchanging them"?

Senator John McCain said:
if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.
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Obama considered it and went ahead. Congress criters didn't like it. :shrug:
 
Grim17 said:
Republicans asked Obama to bring home what they believed to be one of our brave fighting men who had been captured by the enemy while in the line of duty, not some coward who sneaked away in the dead of night, deserted his post, abandoned his comrades and sought out the enemy.
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Yep, and their tune changed once other members of his unit came forward and he was already here.

Everyone in America, not just Republicans, were lied to by the Administration.
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I'm going to wait until you can show some evidence of this. I can wait, but you won't post it. As for the rest of your post, tl/dr.
 
Hatuey said:
Don't know that anyone must have known anything. What I do know is what everyone else knows for sure. That there were missions that went to look for Berghdal almost immediately after he went missing. That there are 5 years of quotes where the administration as well as many congress critters called for his return. And that Obama did everything he could to bring the guy back only to be flogged publicly by people who wanted just that. In either case, it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. if Berghdal really did something heinously illegal, he should be convicted for it. Leaving him in Afghanistan when members of his unit admit that it made them unsafe is simply not acceptable.
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If you're POTUS and you've got advisers helping you as you contemplate the deal, then you certainly have advisers contemporaneously telling you that his fellow soldiers are calling him a deserter.
If you go through with it anyway then there's something else going on.
Getting him out so he doesn't harm troop safety doesn't wash since he was captive for 5 years and part of the charges were that he had already helped the Taliban.

If you have 5 years of quotes from those people showing they also knew then that there was a helluva possibility that Bergdahl was a deserter and they wanted to bring him home anyway then, yeah, they're either hypocrites or terminally corrupt.
 
bubbabgone said:
If you're POTUS and you've got advisers helping you as you contemplate the deal, then you certainly have advisers contemporaneously telling you that his fellow soldiers are calling him a deserter.
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Good stuff, your assumptions don't matter much here. I know what you know, that the soldiers only came forward in June. Do you have evidence of anyone saying something different before he was brought? For your assumption to work, it relies on the position that the soldiers were coming forward with this before he was brought back. Were they? Where is the evidence?
 
Hatuey said:
My Obama? I don't own him.
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I'm not taking responsibility for that traitorous scumbag.
Just a little protip for you, don't send your obama to market with the family cow. The beans he trades it for will not grow into a giant beanstalk.
 
keymanjim said:
I'm not taking responsibility for that traitorous scumbag.
Just a little protip for you, don't send your obama to market with the family cow. The beans he trades it for will not grow into a giant beanstalk.
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You don't have to. It doesn't make him property. Now, do you have anything to comment on the subject or is this where you're airing out your feelings? :)
 
Hatuey said:
Yep, and their tune changed once other members of his unit came forward and he was already here.



I'm going to wait until you can show some evidence of this. I can wait, but you won't post it. As for the rest of your post, tl/dr.
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Hatuey said:
Good stuff, your assumptions don't matter much here. I know what you know, that the soldiers only came forward in June. Do you have evidence of anyone saying something different before he was brought? For your assumption to work, it relies on the position that the soldiers were coming forward with this before he was brought back. Were they? Where is the evidence?
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Michele Malkin wrote of the strange circumstance of his disappearance back in 2009.

Michelle Malkin | » Questions about the reported abduction of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl; Update: Reports of desertion mounting

There were rumors about this guy being a deserter long before the deal was struck, and certainly the president had to be aware of them also. Unless, he just read about it in the morning paper--which seems to be the way he gets most of his information...
 
I'm not sure why Bergdahl being a deserter, in the end, really matters. He's still our soldier.
 
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