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Presidential hopeful Ben Carson thinks Obama is a 'psychopath' and America is like Na

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Online gambling, payday loans, escort services etc are targeted. I don't agree with the action at all and it should be stopped immediately but I'm really tired of the whining and trying to turn every thing into some politicized witch hunt.

Err. No.
[h=2]Details of the operation[/h] Some merchant categories that the FDIC had listed until July 2014 as being associated with high-risk activity include, but are not limited to (until the FDIC revised the original policy in July 2014):[SUP][9][/SUP]

  • Ammunition Sales
  • Cable Box De-scramblers
  • Coin Dealers
  • Credit Card Schemes
  • Credit Repair Services
  • Dating Services
  • Debt Consolidation Scams
  • Drug Paraphernalia
  • Escort Services
  • Firearms Sales
  • Fireworks Sales
  • Get Rich Products
  • Government Grants
  • Home-Based Charities
  • Life-Time Guarantees
  • Life-Time Memberships
  • Lottery Sales
  • Mailing Lists/Personal Info
  • Money Transfer Networks
  • On-line Gambling
  • Payday Loans
  • Pharmaceutical Sales
  • Ponzi Schemes
  • Pornography[SUP][10][/SUP]
  • Pyramid-Type Sales
  • Racist Materials
  • Surveillance Equipment
  • Telemarketing
  • Tobacco Sales
  • Travel Clubs
Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF is wrong with Ammunition Sales, Coin Dealers, Firearms Sales, Fireworks Sales, Home-Based Charities, Pharmaceutical Sales, Surveillance Equipment, Tobacco Sales?? Other than not aligning to the liberal / progressive / Democratic 'push agenda'?

I'll grant you that the other ones are shady, but I cast no moral relativism on this. If they are owned and operated within the letter of the law, then it's illegal for the government to harass them. PERIOD.

Brennan Appel, owner of Global Hookah Distributors, said he realized he was a victim of Operation Choke Point after he got a letter from Bank of America telling him that after 12 years of working together, it was closing all his business and personal accounts.

Appel said a few months later, his payment-processing company also dropped him. "I started this business when I was 18 years old, funded my way through college with it and have continued on growing the company into what it is today. And I feel like, why do you get punished when you are growing a company?"

Appel began recording his conversations with Alex Bacon, the president of EFT which was his payment processor. He wanted to prove he was the target of Operation Choke Point.
. . .
Initially, the FDIC put out a list of 30 high-risk businesses, but that list has since been rescinded.
Congress launching hearings on complaints businesses targeted by 'Operation Choke Point' | Fox News

So killing off entrepreneurs of small businesses. That's a pretty low blow to the middle class, don't you think?

I do too...but the narrative that Obama is using this to target only X is ridiculous.
The above contradicts your ill-informed view.
The issue is that the Dept of Justice is using means to shutdown otherwise "legal" business operations.
No, I think that DOJ is using illegal means to harass lawful civilians engaged in lawful acts in their pursuit of happiness.
Of course, most of these operations occur in a very grey area (prostitution is illegal but escort services are legal)
The above contradicts your ill-informed view.
but I think it should be ended.
On this point we agree.
I know it's a novel concept but how about Issis and Republicans in the House actually stay on topic regarding the issue instead of trying to turn this into another highly political dog and pony show?

This abuse of government power, this liberal / progressive / Democratic push agenda cannot be allowed to proceed. It needs to be terminated forthwith, and those responsible criminally charged with this abuse of government power, so as to forestall another recurrence.
 
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comedy.. and who is paying he rest of it?...adn if you dont buy it are you "fined"...?..


Your posts are liberal garbage

I want to take this opportunity to thank you for contributing to my healthcare. For years I have not been able to afford any health insurance, but now, because of Obamacare, I have a policy. It is infinitely better than the one I had before. I pay my $90 every month and am grateful for the $800 subsidy you and my other friends provide. Thank you.
 
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I say what I want all the time. I voice my opinion. While I certainly do not like our direction as a country, we are certainly not Nazi Germany. Its ok not to like political correctness, but Mr. Carson could benefit from some clue about the country he lives in.
 
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Yeah, affordable health care and all the standards raised by the ACA are horrible. Certainly more horrible than Jim Crow. Ahaha, get it?

It's not "affordable health care" it is ever more costly health insurance subsidized by middle class tax dollars with huge deductibles that force you to pay doctors visits for actual illnesses out of pocket anyway.
 
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Err. No.
Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF is wrong with Ammunition Sales, Coin Dealers, Firearms Sales, Fireworks Sales, Home-Based Charities, Pharmaceutical Sales, Surveillance Equipment, Tobacco Sales?? Other than not aligning to the liberal / progressive / Democratic 'push agenda'?

Why do you look at a list like that and see a political agenda?
 
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Why do you look at a list like that and see a political agenda?

Why do you look at that list and fail to see the political agenda?
 
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I want to take this opportunity to thank you for contributing to my healthcare. For years I have not been able to afford any health insurance, but now, because of Obamacare, I have a policy. It is infinitely better than the one I had before. I pay my $90 every month and am grateful for the $800 subsidy you and my other friends provide. Thank you.


if that was sincere... Id say "youre welcome" but .... you do know medicare and medicaid were cheaper for you and better ...
 
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Why do you look at that list and fail to see the political agenda?

Because coins and pornography don't strike me as useful targets for political gain.
 
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Because coins and pornography don't strike me as useful targets for political gain.

So then why do you believe it's justified for the government to hassle legitimate and lawful operating businesses and their owners?

Nice dodge BTW, there's a long list who are (including those 2), and its' obviously ones that have run afoul of the administration's agenda.
 
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Err. No.
Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WTF is wrong with Ammunition Sales, Coin Dealers, Firearms Sales, Fireworks Sales, Home-Based Charities, Pharmaceutical Sales, Surveillance Equipment, Tobacco Sales?? Other than not aligning to the liberal / progressive / Democratic 'push agenda'?
Besides ammunition sales which one of those can you really make an argument for as something either liberal or conservative....also, as of 2015 the guidance points to individual sellers rather than whole industries...which it should of done in the first place.


So killing off entrepreneurs of small businesses. That's a pretty low blow to the middle class, don't you think?
Well it does depend on the business doesn't it? If it's a coin dealer that has a high amount of sales which have been associated with money laundering lets say that's a little more palatable. Still don't agree with the policy.

The above contradicts your ill-informed view.
No it doesn't....since when has a Hookah seller been synonymous with conservative Americans? Pharmaceutical sales? Pornography? The only thing on that list that even gives off a whiff of targeting would be weapon sales and ammunition sales...that's it.

No, I think that DOJ is using illegal means to harass lawful civilians engaged in lawful acts in their pursuit of happiness.
Because that benefits the DOJ....how...

This abuse of government power, this liberal / progressive / Democratic push agenda cannot be allowed to proceed. It needs to be terminated forthwith, and those responsible criminally charged with this abuse of government power, so as to forestall another recurrence.
They wont, most likely you will say a change of policy that creates a much more strict guidance for the FDIC. We've already seen some changes in which they have changed the targeting to individual businesses rather than whole industries...

but to be clear...I do not agree with the policy because there are no charges against these business owners...but it's not a target against Republicans, it's not a target to destroy American and the middle class, it's not a way for the FDIC and DOJ to blow off steam by killing people's livelihood, it was bad procedures written and a lack of guidance.
 
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if that was sincere... Id say "youre welcome" but .... you do know medicare and medicaid were cheaper for you and better ...

I will only need insurance for two more years, then I will be old enough for Medicare.

Hey, I wish I didn't need a subsidy or didn't have any health problems, but I really don't have a choice. I'm just trying to survive.
 
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I want to take this opportunity to thank you for contributing to my healthcare. For years I have not been able to afford any health insurance, but now, because of Obamacare, I have a policy. It is infinitely better than the one I had before. I pay my $90 every month and am grateful for the $800 subsidy you and my other friends provide. Thank you.

What about the millions of middle class folks that have seen their coverage rot to a shadow of what it was and at a higher cost?

There was a vastly better way to help you without destroying what was good about the old system. Obamacare ultimately will mean worse care for more money for almost everybody, except the government and wealthy.
 
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Edit: that was for Los Angeles. In other places like Spokane it can be as low as $22. The inconsistency is irritating, to be sure, and would have been infinitely easier if we'd gotten single payer like we wanted.

Totally off topic, but with healthcare as low as $22 a month (or $119 or whatever), why are there millions of people still uninsured...what, 30+ million or so? I thought these poor people all wanted insurance but couldn't get it and couldn't afford it?

Back to Carson. He isn't a serious candidate. Never was. And his problem is he isn't a politician, as evidenced by the fact that he's honest, says what's on his mind, and doesn't bull**** voters (like the rest of them do). That's why he'd be better staying in the field where he is obviously among the best, and leave the politics to the weasels, snakes, manipulators and frauds. We may not like what he says, but he says what he believes. Can't say that about many politicians.
 
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I would say the country has a long history of electing sociopaths and psychopaths. Obama on the hand is just a narcissistic asshole that is too weak to accept any real challenges to speak of.
 
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Yeah, affordable health care and all the standards raised by the ACA are horrible. Certainly more horrible than Jim Crow. Ahaha, get it?

Forcing people into commerce is horrible. What does that law rely on again? Oh right, the mandate. Good to know.
 
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So then why do you believe it's justified for the government to hassle legitimate and lawful operating businesses and their owners?

Nice dodge BTW, there's a long list who are (including those 2), and its' obviously ones that have run afoul of the administration's agenda.

:roll:

Unable to actually make any specific point, you go with a straw man. Have fun with that. When you'd actually like to discuss any particular action taken against any particular business, let me know.
 
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Totally off topic, but with healthcare as low as $22 a month (or $119 or whatever), why are there millions of people still uninsured...what, 30+ million or so? I thought these poor people all wanted insurance but couldn't get it and couldn't afford it?

I think that the user friendliness of each state's website may have some bearing on that. For example if you punch in a Los Angeles zip code at healthcare.gov it will take you immediately to the coveredca page where you can see the available plans right away. All things considered, its user interface is pretty sharp and friendly. But if you put in a zip code in North Carolina, a state well known for its hostility to all things Obama, you will find yourself having to jump through more hoops. I'm not saying that's a complete answer, obviously, but it points to an overall system that is anything but universally streamlined. And then of course you're just going to get a chunk of the population that's young and healthy and their longtime healthcare is a faraway, abstract concept to them. Or they're just super lazy, who knows.

Back to Carson. He isn't a serious candidate. Never was. And his problem is he isn't a politician, as evidenced by the fact that he's honest, says what's on his mind, and doesn't bull**** voters (like the rest of them do). That's why he'd be better staying in the field where he is obviously among the best, and leave the politics to the weasels, snakes, manipulators and frauds. We may not like what he says, but he says what he believes. Can't say that about many politicians.

I don't think he's a contender either, but he makes a beeline for the emotional hot buttons, comparing things he doesn't like to slavery and Nazi Germany. It's facile manipulation.
 
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Totally off topic, but with healthcare as low as $22 a month (or $119 or whatever), why are there millions of people still uninsured...what, 30+ million or so? I thought these poor people all wanted insurance but couldn't get it and couldn't afford it?

Back to Carson. He isn't a serious candidate. Never was. And his problem is he isn't a politician, as evidenced by the fact that he's honest, says what's on his mind, and doesn't bull**** voters (like the rest of them do). That's why he'd be better staying in the field where he is obviously among the best, and leave the politics to the weasels, snakes, manipulators and frauds. We may not like what he says, but he says what he believes. Can't say that about many politicians.

No. No. No.

His problem is being a crazy person. "Saying what's on his mind" isn't his problem. The thing that is on his mind is the problem. Of course, that's assuming you buy his Nazi Germany rhetoric as genuine, as you clearly do.
 
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What about the millions of middle class folks that have seen their coverage rot to a shadow of what it was and at a higher cost?

There was a vastly better way to help you without destroying what was good about the old system. Obamacare ultimately will mean worse care for more money for almost everybody, except the government and wealthy.

I know that there is a lot to be improved in Obamacare, do doubt. But, like I said, I didn't have a choice.
 
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He needs to re-evaluate who his advisors are.

It would seem that way. He at least needs someone to tell him that he needs to learn what not to say.
 
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I know that there is a lot to be improved in Obamacare, do doubt. But, like I said, I didn't have a choice.

And so you know, those of us that despise Obamacare were/are fully aware that the healthcare was in need of meaningful change to get folks like you covered. Just not like this.
 
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Isn't this thread about Carson?

What's all this **** about the IRS, Lois Lerner, emails and ACA?

Wayyyyy off topic.

As sometimes happen depending on who's in the thread, it became a laundry list of grievances.

Does anyone seriously believe that the GOP would get rid of the IRS? If so, I'd love to talk with them about investing in Florida real estate.
 
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The move toward less privacy is a trend set by both major parties. It's why I don't have any patience for conservatives criticizing Obama for this -- they don't represent an alternative that would reverse this trend.

Yea but Obama promised transparency. [so you might need to get some patience]
 
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Yea but Obama promised transparency. [so you might need to get some patience]

Thank you, Mr. Non-Sequitur.
 
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Instead of pandering to the primitive nature of poor white inbred illiterates, why doesn't Ben Carson try to get a real job?
 
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