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Presidential hopeful Ben Carson thinks Obama is a 'psychopath' and America is like Na

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Cardinal said:
Edit: that was for Los Angeles. In other places like Spokane it can be as low as $22. The inconsistency is irritating, to be sure, and would have been infinitely easier if we'd gotten single payer like we wanted.
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Things were fine before the ACA. The poor and middle class could simply go to the Emergency Room for FREE health care.
 
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Fenton said:
For who exactly ? And whats the out of pocket cost for that plan ?
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https://www.healthcare.gov/screener/

Start there and find out for yourself. It's different in different places. Who knows, you may find something that works for you.
 
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iliveonramen said:
I'd agree if you've talked about the administrations hard stance on whistle blowers or NSA spying, but the "weaponization of government against it's own citizens"....I'm not even sure what you're talking about. That just sounds like hyperbole.
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Congress launching hearings on complaints businesses targeted by 'Operation Choke Poi

eohrnberger said:
Another Obama and administration weaponization of the government against legal and legitimate businesses and interests they don't like.

Probe Turns Up Heat on Banks - WSJ

FDIC chairman comes under fire during 'Operation Choke Point' hearings | Fox News

Congress launching hearings on complaints businesses targeted by 'Operation Choke Point' | Fox News

“Operation Choke Point” - The Washington Post

Operation Choke Point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's part of the liberal / progressive agenda push by this president and this administration in their 'fundamental' transformation of America, where government departments are transparently being used as weapons against legal and legitimate businesses and interests that don't align and / or comply with the liberal / progressive ideology. (My how positively Stalinistic and Maoistic, if you think about it)

Yeah, nothing new here. :roll:
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Before this, it was the IRS, and it goes on and on. Pretty transparent, I'd say. Run afoul of the liberal / progressive / Democrat / Obama ideals, and the administration wheelds the power of government against you. This last one most troubling, legitimate and legal businesses under administration / government attack because Obama and / or his administration doesn't like that particular business.
 
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Cardinal said:
Edit: that was for Los Angeles. In other places like Spokane it can be as low as $22. The inconsistency is irritating, to be sure, and would have been infinitely easier if we'd gotten single payer like we wanted.
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You're just offering up numbers arbitrary and out if context for some reason.
 
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Amadeus said:
Things were fine before the ACA. The poor and middle class could simply go to the Emergency Room for FREE health care.
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Getting turned down for pre-existing conditions was definitely the better way to go.
 
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Fenton said:
You're just offering up numbers arbitrary and out if context for some reason.
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I gave you the website. Let your mouse do the clicking.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Before this, it was the IRS, and it goes on and on.
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What's about the IRS? You're not referencing a faux-scandal, are you?
 
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Amadeus said:
What's about the IRS? You're not referencing a faux-scandal, are you?
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I'm so very glad that you admit to supporting government prosecution based on political beliefs and values.
Pretty much says everything that needs to be said.
 
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Amadeus said:
Things were fine before the ACA. The poor and middle class could simply go to the Emergency Room for FREE health care.
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Now, more middle class qualify for Medicaid because they're not Middleclass anymore .

All because of a " affordable " health care law thats been a job killer ever since it was passed years ago.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Congress launching hearings on complaints businesses targeted by 'Operation Choke Poi



Before this, it was the IRS, and it goes on and on. Pretty transparent, I'd say. Run afoul of the liberal / progressive / Democrat / Obama ideals, and the administration wheelds the power of government against you. This last one most troubling, legitimate and legal businesses under administration / government attack because Obama and / or his administration doesn't like that particular business.
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Well for the most part regarding IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and now "Operation Choke Point" is a lot speculation and fear mongering and inability to find anything to back up the narrative created on the right.
Of course, at the end of the day the constant speculation and made up storyline is a success because as the talking points get refuted one by one ultimately the narrative stays alive.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I'm so very glad that you admit to supporting government prosecution based on political beliefs and values.
Pretty much says everything that needs to be said.
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Liberal groups were targeted even MORE than conservatives, and it had nothing to do with a liberal/conservative agenda. Much less the Obama administration. Do you even follow the scandals you reference?
 
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Amadeus said:
What's about the IRS? You're not referencing a faux-scandal, are you?
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Are you calling your President a liar ?

Obama read through the Inspector general's report and vowed to get the bottom of the IRSs targeting of Conservative Americans.

Remember ?
 
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Cardinal said:
Americans need to watch what they say.

Carson would be technically correct in saying that our society has made it more prohibitive to say what they believe vs. pre-Patriot Act times. It's moot, though, as the only opposition party to the Democrats have no desire to do anything different with regards to civil liberties. To be clear, if the Republicans were to take control of the Presidency, both houses of congress and every liberal Supreme Court justice were immediately replaced with a conservative one, nothing would be done to curtail government spying on its citizens.
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Pray tell...who's stopping the current Admin?
 
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iliveonramen said:
Well for the most part regarding IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and now "Operation Choke Point" is a lot speculation and fear mongering and inability to find anything to back up the narrative created on the right.
Of course, at the end of the day the constant speculation and made up storyline is a success because as the talking points get refuted one by one ultimately the narrative stays alive.
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So in other words you are perfectly fine with the FDIC in secret with banks directing the banks to hassle, hamper and hinder legitimate and legally run businesses?
All because the administration doesn't like that particular industry or business?

I kinda have a problem with that level of government interference, hampering and hindering of legally conducted businesses.
Call it silly if you like, but there's a principal in jeopardy here.
 
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Fenton said:
Now, more middle class qualify for Medicaid because they're not Middleclass anymore .

All because of a " affordable " health care law thats been a job killer ever since it was passed years ago.
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Obamacare Is Barely Denting Corporate Profits - Bloomberg Business

Obamacare “is putting such a small dent in the profits of U.S. companies that many refer to its impact as ‘not material’ or ‘not significant,’ according to a Bloomberg review of conference-call transcripts and interviews with major U.S. employers.”

“That’s even after a provision went into effect this year requiring companies with 50 or more full-time workers to provide coverage, and after more workers are choosing to enroll in existing company coverage because of another requirement that all Americans get insured.”

“The collective shrug from the nation’s biggest employers undermines the arguments of Republicans, who call the law a job-killer as they seek its repeal.”

“While U.S. health-care costs continued to rise faster than inflation in the five years since the law was passed, their rate of growth has slowed. Employers spent an average of $11,204 per worker for health benefits in 2014, up 4.6 percent from a year earlier, according to Mercer LLC. That growth rate was 6.1 percent or more each year from 1998 to 2011.”
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WCH said:
Pray tell...who's stopping the current Admin?
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The move toward less privacy is a trend set by both major parties. It's why I don't have any patience for conservatives criticizing Obama for this -- they don't represent an alternative that would reverse this trend.
 
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Fenton said:
Are you calling your President a liar ?

Obama read through the Inspector general's report and vowed to get the bottom of the IRSs targeting of Conservative Americans.

Remember ?
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Issa's big dud: No White House connection to IRS 'scandal' - LA Times

Here's the bottom:

Contrary to his assertions in countless appearances on Fox News, there's no evidence that the Obama White House directed -- or indeed was involved in any way -- in the supposed targeting of conservative nonprofit groups for special scrutiny by the IRS. There's no evidence that "tea party" groups were exclusively targeted, as opposed to tax-exempt "social welfare" organizations from across the political spectrum.

The evidence set forth in the report, which was issued by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform's GOP majority without sharing it first with the Democratic minority, instead depicts an IRS struggling to apply complicated rules for nonprofits engaging in political activity, all without guidance from Congress.
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"Of the applications that received additional scrutiny, only seven contained the word 'progress' or 'progressive,' all of which were subsequently approved by the IRS, while Tea Party groups received unprecedented review and experienced years-long delays."

You can't fully parse these words without a footnote, so here it is: No tea party groups were denied approval. In fact, only one c-4 organization lost its tax exemption because of this scrutiny -- the progressive group Emerge America, which trains Democratic women to run for office.
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One point that the Issa report fails to make is that the investigation undoubtedly succeeded in its ulterior purpose, which was to hamstring the IRS in pursuing its statutory duties and undermined its already flagging reputation. Aggressive enforcement of the 501(c)4 standards is off the table. In the year-end spending bill passed this month, the agency's budget was gutted -- cut by $356 million from last year, $1.5 billion below the administration's request.
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Amadeus said:
Liberal groups were targeted even MORE than conservatives, and it had nothing to do with a liberal/conservative agenda. Much less the Obama administration. Do you even follow the scandals you reference?
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I believe you are in error.

Fenton said:
Are you calling your President a liar ?

Obama read through the Inspector general's report and vowed to get the bottom of the IRSs targeting of Conservative Americans.

Remember ?
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And is in direct conflict with the above mentioned public statement made by Obama, after more information was discovered by the Congressional Oversight committee's investigation.
 
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eohrnberger said:
So in other words you are perfectly fine with the FDIC in secret with banks directing the banks to hassle, hamper and hinder legitimate and legally run businesses?
All because the administration doesn't like that particular industry or business?
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Online gambling, payday loans, escort services etc are targeted. I don't agree with the action at all and it should be stopped immediately but I'm really tired of the whining and trying to turn every thing into some politicized witch hunt.

I kinda have a problem with that level of government interference, hampering and hindering of legally conducted businesses.
Call it silly if you like, but there's a principal in jeopardy here.
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I do too...but the narrative that Obama is using this to target only X is ridiculous. The issue is that the Dept of Justice is using means to shutdown otherwise "legal" business operations. Of course, most of these operations occur in a very grey area (prostitution is illegal but escort services are legal) but I think it should be ended. I know it's a novel concept but how about Issis and Republicans in the House actually stay on topic regarding the issue instead of trying to turn this into another highly political dog and pony show?
 
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Cardinal said:
So don't get healthcare then. That'll show us.
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bad news..I have good healthcare.. not on Obamacare... but soon our quality of healtcare, privacy and liberty will be all squandered so Obama can have is idiot minion sheep having percieved "cheap" lip service healthcare..

losing your freedoms was worth it ...
 
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Travis007 said:
bad news..I have good healthcare...
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Then you're in the clear. Good job.
 
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Amadeus said:
Obamacare Is Barely*Denting Corporate Profits - Bloomberg Business
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More progressive drool out of context.

Corporations aren't posting record profits because they're selling more of their widgets.

They're posting record profits because they're increasing productivity.

What their DOING with those profits is whats relevant. They're using them to buy back outstanding sgare and NOT investing in a Obama economy.
 
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Fenton said:
What their DOING with those profits is whats relevant. They're using them to buy back outstanding sgare and NOT investing in a Obama economy.
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So how is that the fault of Obamacare?
 
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Fenton said:
You said it was a faux scandal. You were wrong.

And only a handfiull of Liberal groups were targe and ALL recieved their tax exempt status almost immediately.
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So who was it a scandal against? Certainly not Obama or his administration. It was an investigation into IRS practices, which revealed that the problem wasn't a political one, but a problem with the methodology used to target tax cheats (which was more a perceived problem than an actual problem).
 
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