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Ted Cruz going on Obamacare

I'm simply referring to his "asshole factor," such as it is. Nixon was paranoid to the point of psychosis.

Yeah, he was paranoid as hell. And ruthless to people who got on his sh1t list. People think Obama is bad? He's a cub scout compared to how ruthless Nixon was.
 
The issue is pretty clear for me

For some time now, Cruz and the right have been running their mouths about how awful it is that so many people lost their plans and were "forced" to buy a plan through the exchange

Now, Cruz has lost his plan, and with all the choices available to a man as wealthy as he, he has determined that buying through an exchange and having his coverage subsidized is the best possible CHOICE he can make.

When others do it, it's because they're being "forced" to do it. When Cruz does it, every right winger rushes to his defense to explain why he's so smart for making that CHOICE
 
Go back a number of posts to the one I made that talks about them.

sigh...

I really don't know why I'm responding to you if you aren't even going to read what I post.

Just tell me, and I obviously am reading what you're saying, I'm responding to everything if it is quoted at me.
 
I'm talking about right before the ACA. When will people realize UHC works better than any private system we could have, the data doesn't lie.

LOL!!

Yeah...right before Obamacare.

Right after the government screwed things up for decades and made things worse by shoving Obamacare down our throats...to fix what's screwed up.

And now you want to make it worse by handing our whole healthcare industry over to the government. Now, that's just plain pathetic.
 
When others do it, it's because they're being "forced" to do it. When Cruz does it, every right winger rushes to his defense to explain why he's so smart for making that CHOICE

This^^^^^^ That is a great point.
 
LOL!!

Yeah...right before Obamacare.

Right after the government screwed things up for decades and made things worse by shoving Obamacare down our throats...to fix what's screwed up.

And now you want to make it worse by handing our whole healthcare industry over to the government. Now, that's just plain pathetic.

How will it make it worse??? Look at the data posted and the quality of life of other countries with "government healthcare" that is clearly "ruining them" you talk about me not reading your posts..
 
LOL!!

Yeah...right before Obamacare.

Right after the government screwed things up for decades and made things worse by shoving Obamacare down our throats...to fix what's screwed up.

And now you want to make it worse by handing our whole healthcare industry over to the government. Now, that's just plain pathetic.

What did they screw up for decades by the way?
 
There is! It's simple ethics and morality, most people with a moral compass of any sort will see that.

Some of us don't think it is moral behavior to force people to help others. :shrug:
 
Some of us don't think it is moral behavior to force people to help others. :shrug:

What do you mean "forcing people" to help others? Explain, please, I don't understand, this just seems like a scare tactic based on paranoia to rally people against universal healthcare.
 
Ah, so, how about every other program passed in a similar way, they obviously destroyed us...

Oh, for sure. Our health care industry isn't the only area our government has inserted it's dirty fingers into.
 
Oh, for sure. Our health care industry isn't the only area our government has inserted it's dirty fingers into.

Ok, start naming these programs and specific things the government has done to healthcare to "destroy it"
 
By doing what?

Free market healthcare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The issue of government intrusion into the health care industry is certainly not beneficial to either patient or physician. Ponzi schemes such as Social Security and Medicare were wonderful plans for those who got in on the ground floor. Since I was a teenager I have believed that when it comes time for me to retire there will be nothing left of Social Security. Now that I am in my mid-forties I am even more convinced of that. If someone chooses to participate in these Ponzi schemes that should be their choice, and their choice only. We have already read that according to a 1960 Supreme Court case the American people have no legal standing when it comes to the money that we have already contributed to Social Security. The government can do whatever it deems appropriate with those funds. The idea of being forced to take part in such a scheme, namely Medicare, simply because I have reached a certain age is unconscionable.

The American people want quality medical service at a fair price. Physicians want to offer that quality service; however, the prices are not under their control for those who choose to remain beholden to third party providers. The options are few and the choices are very clear. Unless something is done to change and improve the health care system as we know it things will only get worse. Looking at the Canadian model or even the model currently offered by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts provides evidence that the universal health care idea is not the way to go.

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/gro/gro_103healthcareindustry.html
 
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All of the acts mentioned, I don't see the negative effects presented by them, care to name a specific one?
Legislation
Preceding
Social Security Amendments of 1965 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (1986) Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (1996) Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act (2003) Patient Safety and Quality Improvement Act (2005)
Superseded
Affordable Health Care for America Act (House bill - H.R. 3962) America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (H.R. 3200) America's Healthy Future Act (Baucus bill - S. 1796)
Proposed
United States National Health Care Act (2009, H.R. 676) Healthy Americans Act (2007, 2009) Health Security Act (1993, H.R. 3600)
Latest enacted
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Senate bill - H.R. 3590) Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (H.R. 4872)
 
You do realize free market healthcare would be worse then healthcare under privatized industries with government regulation.

No, I don't realize that...in fact, I realize just the opposite.
 
Would have preferred Mr. Cruz to take a stand and say "I'm against Obamacare which includes the plan for members of Congress. Therefore I'm exercising the freedom to choose my insurance and if I'm elected President, I will help you to do the same"

If I understand the way it works, which is similar to the way it works for all employer-provided insurance, it's given to you, whether you want it or not. The employer is required to provide it. Even if someone goes out and buys separate insurance on his own, it wouldn't matter, since the second insurance company would refuse to pay claims. The employer-provided insurance is primary and legally required to pay medical claims. IF the second ins. co. would even sell a policy to him, after finding out about his employer-provided insurance.
 
All of the acts mentioned, I don't see the negative effects presented by them, care to name a specific one?

You would have to be pretty blind not to see the negative effects of ObamaCare.

From its far reaching negative economic impact to its targeted cost increases on the Middle class Obamacare has been a disaster.

A new poll came out recently that showed close to 20 percent of business planned on cutting back their employees hours and thats just one example of how destructive it is
 
What do you mean "forcing people" to help others? Explain, please, I don't understand, this just seems like a scare tactic based on paranoia to rally people against universal healthcare.

It’s one thing to give your own money to help the poor; it’s quite another to give money to the poor that you’ve coercively seized from someone else.
 
No, he's really not. Personality-wise, they're nothing alike.

Ok, give me your personality assessment of the two.
 
You would have to be pretty blind not to see the negative effects of ObamaCare.

From its far reaching negative economic impact to its targeted cost increases on the Middle class Obamacare has been a disaster.

A new poll came out recently that showed close to 20 percent of business planned on cutting back their employees hours and thats just one example of how destructive it is

That's businesses deciding to do that, everything will have negative effects, the question is, do the positive effects far outweigh the negatives? In the case of obamacare, they do.
 
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