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Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest

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• Airbus A320 carrying 150 people crashes in French Alps; 'no survivors'
• Germanwings Flight 9525 was flying from Barcelona to Dusseldorf
• Debris found at altitude of 6,500ft after crash near Digne les Bains
• Plane descended for eight minutes but no distress call made
• 67 German, 45 Spanish and unspecified Turkish passengers among victims
• Germanwings crash: Timeline of European air disasters
• Shares in Lufthansa and Airbus fall following Alps crash

We are here to show our compassion after this terrible accident.

We have mobilised almost 300 firemen, numerous people from the national gendarmerie - 300 of them. The first on the scene were the mountain gendarmerie, who know how to operate in this environment.

We have around 10 planes, and helicopters.

The violence of the crash leaves us little hope. However, we have all the resources at our disposal.

The efforts are being coordinated by the prefect.
Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest - Telegraph
 
"We"

The Turks aren't doing anything.

Anyways, hopefully the military acting as police finds them.
 
very sad ... may they all RIP
 
"We"

The Turks aren't doing anything.


Anyways, hopefully the military acting as police finds them.

D'ya think that might have been a quote from the article?
 
D'ya think that might have been a quote from the article?

Yes it was quoted from the article though DP quotes weren't put around it.

I sure am hopeful we'll find out the mystery of why this plane went down. Cockpit recordings, discussions with air traffic control and black box info should provide information as well as the crash site itself. I'm sure within the next 48-72 hours there will be a rough estimation of what happened and a public statement. The French are reportedly very good at crash investigations (at least that's what CNN stated this morning) so it shouldn't take too long.
 
Apparently it crashed in a very hard to reach place, this will make recovery much harder, not to mention the investigation.
 
Yes it was quoted from the article though DP quotes weren't put around it.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. A certain attitude grates on me.

I sure am hopeful we'll find out the mystery of why this plane went down. Cockpit recordings, discussions with air traffic control and black box info should provide information as well as the crash site itself. I'm sure within the next 48-72 hours there will be a rough estimation of what happened and a public statement. The French are reportedly very good at crash investigations (at least that's what CNN stated this morning) so it shouldn't take too long.

When you heard of this, was your first thought about terrorism? What's it coming to when about 150 people die and you hope it was a simple accident.
 
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. A certain attitude grates on me.



When you heard of this, was your first thought about terrorism? What's it coming to when about 150 people die and you hope it was a simple accident.

Terrorism was 2nd actually - first thing I thought of was icing and as a result, a breakup. I remembered the A320 had issues of that before... Second was a shoe or underwear bomb that decompressed the cabin causing the plane to go down.
 
• Airbus A320 carrying 150 people crashes in French Alps; 'no survivors'
• Germanwings Flight 9525 was flying from Barcelona to Dusseldorf
• Debris found at altitude of 6,500ft after crash near Digne les Bains
• Plane descended for eight minutes but no distress call made
• 67 German, 45 Spanish and unspecified Turkish passengers among victims
• Germanwings crash: Timeline of European air disasters
• Shares in Lufthansa and Airbus fall following Alps crash

We are here to show our compassion after this terrible accident.

We have mobilised almost 300 firemen, numerous people from the national gendarmerie - 300 of them. The first on the scene were the mountain gendarmerie, who know how to operate in this environment.

We have around 10 planes, and helicopters.

The violence of the crash leaves us little hope. However, we have all the resources at our disposal.

The efforts are being coordinated by the prefect.
Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest - Telegraph





Yikes. Were there any French aboard? I have relatives living in France...
 
That's how US to persuade its allies to join war against Russia in Ukraine.
 
it is always sad to hear such news .

"The plane, an Airbus A320 that carried young people, vacationers and others, crashed after an eight-minute descent from 38,000 feet, the managing director of Germanwings, Thomas Winkelmann, said at a news conference.

When French air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane at 10:53 a.m., it was flying at just 6,000 feet, Mr. Winkelmann said, and it crashed shortly afterward. The terrain in that area rises to an elevation of more than 6,000 feet.

Security personnel in Digne-les-Bains, a town close to the crash site, described a scene of almost unimaginable wreckage, with even the plane’s metal structures smashed into countless pieces."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html?_r=0

"As investigators begin their attempts to discover the reasons behind the aircraft’s crash-landing, a pressing question will be why the plane descended when it did, and why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic control past that point."


Germanwings Airbus 320 crash: identities of victims emerge


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TABLE 1-1. TIMES OF USEFUL CONSCIOUSNESS AT VARIOUS ALTITUDES

........................Standard Ascent Rate........After Rapid Decompression
Altitude (Feet).............Time..............................Time
18,000.................20 to 30 minutes............10 to 15 minutes
22,000.................10 minutes.....................5 minutes
25,000..................3 to 5 minutes...............1.5 to 3.5 minutes
28,000..................2.5 to 3 minutes............1.25 to 1.5 minutes
30,000..................1 to 2 minutes...............30 to 60 seconds
35,000..................30 to 60 seconds............15 to 30 seconds
40,000..................15 to 20 seconds............7 to 10 seconds
43,000..................9 to 12 seconds..............5 seconds "



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you shouldnt assume such things in such threads.

Did the pilots experience an air leak, or a malfunction in the pressurization machinery, that keeps artificial pressurization in the cabin? If there was a pressurization problem it would then be logical to program the pane for a descent. The descent was apparently programmed, because the descent was uniform. Was the pressurization problem sufficiently serious to drop the oxygen masks? Was the auxiliary oxygen working properly? for how long? Did the crew miscalculate how long they could last on oxygen? Did the crew pass out soon after initiating the descent into the auto-pilot?


" In a fresh development the New York Times says one of the plane's pilots was locked out of the cockpit. Quoting a senior military official, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, it says the pilot was heard on the voice recording trying to smash down the cockpit door.


Quote "We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out. But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door.”

"Despite their painstaking search, they have still failed to locate the flight data recorder, which could prove vital in understanding what happened in the mysterious crash. In particular, investigators want to know why the plane deviated from its agreed flight plan and descended rapidly for eight minutes and why the pilots failed to respond to repeated calls from air traffic control. "


Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest - Telegraph

" experts pointed out that a fault in the sensors feeding information to the computer could cause serious problems.

Bob Mann, an American aviation consultant, highlighted the angle of attack sensors used on the A320.

“If it thinks a plane is about to stall, it will cause the nose to pitch down,” he said. “From the flight radar it looks like a nine minute descent at a constant 400 knots.”



"The freezing up of the sensors, causing the plane to drop suddenly remains a “compelling theory” for the AirAsia crash over the Java Sea just after Christmas, which also involved an Airbus A320, he said.

But in the latest accident there possibility of the crew having been rendered unconscious also had to be considered.

“Crew incapacitation cannot be ruled out, and there has been speculation over the possibility of an explosive decompression at altitude,” he said.

“This could possibly be linked to the age of the aircraft.”

Why did Germanwings Airbus A320 crash? - Telegraph



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:confused: what are you saying ? it is a sad news.



"reports that a senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the two pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf.

The audio then seems to reveal one of the pilots left the cockpit and was unable to get back in.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

"The last communication was a routine request to continue on its route, said Remi Jouty, the head of the accident investigation bureau, or BEA.

Then minutes later, at 10:30am, the Airbus A320 inexplicably began to descend. Within 10 minutes it had plunged some 32,000 feet from its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet, slamming into the remote mountainside at an altitude just above 6,000 feet, Jouty said.

With no distress call or other indication of anything out of the ordinary, French investigators struggled to solve the mystery. While alarming, the descent was still gradual enough to suggest the plane was under the control of its navigators. "




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"At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0



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It appears more and more that something happened in the cockpit, what we dont know yet. We can speculate but I fear it will be a while before we know for sure, if ever.
 
"reports that a senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the two pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf.

The audio then seems to reveal one of the pilots left the cockpit and was unable to get back in.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

"The last communication was a routine request to continue on its route, said Remi Jouty, the head of the accident investigation bureau, or BEA.

Then minutes later, at 10:30am, the Airbus A320 inexplicably began to descend. Within 10 minutes it had plunged some 32,000 feet from its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet, slamming into the remote mountainside at an altitude just above 6,000 feet, Jouty said.

With no distress call or other indication of anything out of the ordinary, French investigators struggled to solve the mystery. While alarming, the descent was still gradual enough to suggest the plane was under the control of its navigators. "




No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

"At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0



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hi glad ,thx for your participation
 
hi glad ,thx for your participation


" p.m. ET: Transponder data shows that the autopilot on Germanwings Flight 9525 was reprogrammed by someone in the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data.

• 5:14 p.m. ET: Police searched Germanwings Flight 9525 co-pilot Andreas Lubitz's apartment in Dusseldorf, Germany, on Thursday, the city's police spokesman said in televised comments. A team of five investigators went "through the apartment looking for clues as to what the co-pilot's motivation might have been, if he did indeed bring the plane down," police spokesman Markus Niesczery said."


Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot acted deliberately - CNN.com


Photos of Andreas

Andreas Lubitz: All the Photos You Need to See | Heavy.com | Page 7



"Lubitz took a break in training in 2009 for several months. He was later..." [From Burnout or depression]


What We Know About German Crash Co-Pilot

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hi glad ,thx for your participation

"As at least four airliners implement the “rule of two” people in the cockpit at all times, my colleague Holly Watt examines European and American air safety rules in the wake of the Germanwings crash.



The US Federal Aviation Authority said in a statement: “US airlines have to develop procedures that the FAA approves. Those procedures include a requirement that, when one of the pilots exits the cockpit for any reason, another qualified crew member must lock the door and remain on the flight deck until the pilot returns to his or her station. A qualified crew member could be a flight attendant or a relief pilot serving as part of the crew.”

Germanwings crash: airliners change cockpit rules after co-pilot blamed

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The latest I've read is that the co-pilot had more significant psychiatric treatment than was first known, that he had recently experienced a "relationship crisis" because of the breakup with a girlfriend, and that as a mass-murderer profile, he may be similar to those who shoot up schools or military bases and then off themselves. In other words, a crazy narcissist who in his twisted mind is going out in a blaze of glory.
 
"The co-pilot who flew a Germanwings plane into the Alps killing everyone on board had broken up with his fiancée just one day earlier, it is being reported.

Andreas Lubitz and his unnamed girlfriend had been together seven years and were due to marry sometime in 2016, according to French media.

But the day before the tragedy that cost the lives of Lubitz and 149 other people, the relationship was ended, the French TV channel ITélé claims."

Germanwings plane crash: Andreas Lubitz 'split up with girlfriend one day before tragedy' - Mirror Online


"The Uniklinik hospital in Dusseldorf confirmed that it had treated Lubitz in recent weeks but said it was not for depression. Meanwhile Bild, the German newspaper, reported that "Lubitz had a serious relationship crisis with his girlfriend before the disaster and the resulting heartbreak is thought to have led to this.
"Investigators are currently pursuing this line of enquiry with vigour."
A friend of Lubitz said: "His nickname was 'Tomato Andi' - a reference to his past employment as a flight steward," adding that he worked for nearly a year for Lufthansa as a cabin attendant before being accepted for flight training."

Andreas Lubitz hid illness: Everything we know on Friday about Germanwings plane crash co-pilot - Telegraph

"Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz bought two brand new cars several weeks ago and was going to give one of them to his girlfriend, it has been claimed.

Lubitz, 28, purchased the Audis from a dealership on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, near the apartment where he lived with his girlfriend.

One of the cars had been delivered last weekend, just three days before the tragedy.

Focus magazine said it was not known whether the car which was delivered last weekend was for Lubitz or his girlfriend.

However, despite the gift, German media claimed that Lubitz's relationship was in trouble and the couple may have split up.

This has been seen as a contributory factor to Tuesday's tragedy.



The woman, who has not been named, is understood to be staying with family while German investigators conduct a full forensic search of the property in Dusseldorf.

The couple lived in a smart top floor apartment on the outskirts of the city.





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