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Breaking News Airbus plane crashes in Southern France

EnigmaO01 said:
I wasn't aware this was the case. Do you have a credible source or is this pure speculation?
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You can call it speculation I prefer to call it eliminating all other possibilities. Do you have another explanation?
 
Well, before 9/11 and the strengthening of the cockpit doors, there was an easy procedure for crew members to get into a locked cockpit, (obviously not shared with the public). With strengthened doors, however it all changes. Procedure is that if one pilot leaves the cockpit, a FA is supposed to go in, so that there are always 2 in the cockpit in case the remaining pilot is incapacitated. There are cases of pilots having heart attacks and dying in the cockpit, it could be a that there was a violation of the procdure and a sudden death, we will see.
 
iguanaman said:
Its on the front page of Thursdays New York Times. I doubt they are fibbing.
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Probably not but I find it deplorable if an investigator leaked it out. Still leaves more questions IMHO.
 
iguanaman said:
You can call it speculation I prefer to call it eliminating all other possibilities. Do you have another explanation?
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I prefer to wait until all the information is on the table and experts have had the chance to look at it all. The media is notorious for jumping to conclusions this early in the game.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Examples?

Have never heard of this before.
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MH370 pilot switched off oxygen to kill himself, according to Kiwi Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

'"We know what happened," David Learmount, safety editor at Flight Global, has said of MH370. "There's only one thing it can be - a deliberate act by someone on board, probably the captain."
But the idea is highly controversial.
"The pilot suicide theory for flight MH370 has gained traction because, throughout the last year, there's been no evidence of an outside plot," says aviation writer Sylvia Spruck Wrigley.'

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31736835


Others:

EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SilkAir Flight 185 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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It sure is starting to look like a deliberate act to fly the plane into a mountain......but still a possibility that the pilot inside the cockpit was incapacitated for whatever reason. Ntl, they'll need to rethink that cockpit door situation....again.
 
DA60 said:
MH370 pilot switched off oxygen to kill himself, according to Kiwi Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

'"We know what happened," David Learmount, safety editor at Flight Global, has said of MH370. "There's only one thing it can be - a deliberate act by someone on board, probably the captain."
But the idea is highly controversial.
"The pilot suicide theory for flight MH370 has gained traction because, throughout the last year, there's been no evidence of an outside plot," says aviation writer Sylvia Spruck Wrigley.'

Flight MH370: Could it have been suicide? - BBC News


Others:

EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SilkAir Flight 185 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Conjecture.

Nothing was found in the pilot's background that would lead to suicide.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Conjecture.

Nothing was found in the pilot's background that would lead to suicide.
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You asked for examples...I gave you examples.

You don't believe them, I don't much care.
 
Low life scum bag...You want to kill yourself? Fine shoot your life at home, why the hell do you have to murder innocent people with you?

Burn in Hell.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Low life scum bag...You want to kill yourself? Fine shoot your life at home, why the hell do you have to murder innocent people with you?

Burn in Hell.
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Kind of jumping to conclusions aren't you?
 
beefheart said:
Hell, I fly all the time, I'm on a business trip now, no worries here, I worked in the industry for a long time.
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What would you do if the person flying the plane had a bad day and decided to dive the plane into the ground? Fill us in. :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah either is a possibility
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I doubt that he 'accidentally' locked the door shut. Sounds to me like he decided to commit suicide and take everyone on the plane to the next world with him.

Maybe we'll never know, or maybe a note will be found.

Stay tuned.
 
There will be a press conference later today, and I think the names of the pilot and co-pilot will be released. The pilot had over 6K flying hours; the co-pilot had 600-something. What we don't know is which one locked the other out.
 
There are three states that a cockpit door can be in ... locked/normal/unlocked. If it is in locked mode, the access keypad on the passenger side becomes inoperable and there is no override. As I understand it, most airlines have a rule that there can never be only one person in a cockpit and if necessary, a flight attendant can satisfy this SOP. This rule is intended to minimize/prevent the potentially dangerous one-person/locked cockpit scenario that apparently happened here.
 
shrubnose said:
What would you do if the person flying the plane had a bad day and decided to dive the plane into the ground? Fill us in. :roll:
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Back when I was in the industry, there was a way to get into the cockpit in an emergency, but I don't really want to say how, as it is a security issue.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
If the pilot did commit suicide then my post is valid, if not that is not.
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Somebody making this sort of decision is broken somehow. You don't know what prompted the decision.
 
Well, at least this time Lufthansa admitted it (not sure if they had much choice).

In the past in these pilot murder-suicides, the airline refuses to admit it even when the evidence was overwhelming.

I think what needs to change is obvious, there has to be an override of some kind so that either pilot has a way to gain access to the cockpit even if it is locked down.
Because clearly this 'don't leave a pilot alone in the cockpit' rule is not being followed.

Besides, if a female flight attendant replaces a pilot (assuming both pilots are male) when one leaves the cockpit, I cannot believe it would be overly difficult for an average-sized male remaining pilot to render an average-sized female FA 'disabled/unconscious' if he had planned taking the plane.

Jeez, it's simple (isn't it?)...just put a numeric keypad lock on the door and have the access code known only to the pilots so that neither could lock out the other but that no one else could gain unauthorized access.
 
DA60 said:
Well, at least this time Lufthansa admitted it (not sure if they had much choice).

In the past in these pilot murder-suicides, the airline refuses to admit it even when the evidence was overwhelming.

I think what needs to change is obvious, there has to be an override of some kind so that either pilot has a way to gain access to the cockpit even if it is locked down.
Because clearly this 'don't leave a pilot alone in the cockpit' rule is not being followed.

Besides, if a female flight attendant replaces a pilot (assuming both pilots are male) when one leaves the cockpit, I cannot believe it would be overly difficult for an average-sized male remaining pilot to render an average-sized female FA 'disabled/unconscious' if he had planned taking the plane.

Jeez, it's simple (isn't it?)...just put a numeric keypad lock on the door and have the access code known only to the pilots so that neither could lock out the other but that no one else could gain unauthorized access.
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Sure, if you want to give Al Qaeda a way in.
 
Deuce said:
Sure, if you want to give Al Qaeda a way in.
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I said a code that only the pilots know.

How is that going to help al Qaeda get inside...they won't have the code obviously? And neither will the rest of the crew. So how is that going to help al Qaeda gain access (assuming both pilots are in the cockpit)?

And if one pilot leaves the cockpit and a terrorist grabs him and forces him to punch in the code...there can be an emergency shut down code that can only be used from outside the cockpit when the door is closed. It would immediately lock down the door until the pilot inside unlocks it.
So the pilot outside the cockpit could disable the system to deny a terrorist entrance to the cockpit.
 
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beefheart said:
Back when I was in the industry, there was a way to get into the cockpit in an emergency, but I don't really want to say how, as it is a security issue.
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Maybe pre-911 but that was not true in this case. The cockpit lock button overrides the keypad outside the door.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Conjecture.

Nothing was found in the pilot's background that would lead to suicide.
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So far this is also true for this disaster. But the evidence is overwhelming that it was the case regardless. The same is likely true of MH370. We will know for sure when we find the pilot alone in the cockpit sitting on the bottom of the ocean.
 
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