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Out of Yemen, U.S. is Hobbled in Terror Fight

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What about Western negotiations with Iran for Nuclear progress? If Iran delays the bomb, is the West offering to give Northern Yemen and Eastern Iraq to Iran? What is so hard about re-drawing a few lines on the World map?
I reckon itt will be Iran drawing lines on the world map, not any western nation, and when sanctions start seriously, if they do, a few terrorist bombs in western capitals will make them fold faster that a nomad's sleeping gear. Terrorism is the new diplomacy.
 
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No military presence in the Middle East and there is chaos and mass killings. Recall who said that Iraq was "stable"? FLASHBACK

Do you genuinely not know what he said about Yemen? Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

This information is readily available and rather basic.

I knew all of that already. How is it his fault that Yemen collapsed? As I said, the issue of the Houthis is separate from that of AQAP - the Houthi takeover just makes it more difficult to coordinate with a stable Yemeni government. We had SF and drones in Yemen, and they did a good job of preventing AQAP from becoming like al-Qaeda pre-9/11. And Yemen is not yet a lost cause: I anticipate that if the Houthis are not serious about a unity government, which I doubt they are, the Saudis will come in and wipe away the Iranian encroachment on their border.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us/politics/out-of-yemen-us-is-hobbled-in-terror-fight.html?_r=0

This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

"This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.

Another example the Obama's sterling foreign policy achievements. What an incompetent dolt.
 
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I think you had better get your butt and your family's butt over there and kill people. You are wasting time in panic mode. :scared:

Lead the way. Quit screaming for everyone else to do it for you. Get moving. Take some other Canadians with you.

This is a prime example of an ad hominem fallacy. Grant could be the most cowardly man in existence and it would have zero effect on the validity of his position. That's not even touching on the stupidity of "send your kids" (as if that's how it works) or the fact that we wouldn't be sending anyone who did not volunteer to join the service in the first place.

That being said, this is not the time for US troops to be in Yemen. I agree with you on that count.
 
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I knew all of that already. How is it his fault that Yemen collapsed? As I said, the issue of the Houthis is separate from that of AQAP - the Houthi takeover just makes it more difficult to coordinate with a stable Yemeni government. We had SF and drones in Yemen, and they did a good job of preventing AQAP from becoming like al-Qaeda pre-9/11. And Yemen is not yet a lost cause: I anticipate that if the Houthis are not serious about a unity government, which I doubt they are, the Saudis would come in and wipe away the Iranian encroachment on their border.

Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

Oh I get it, when it is good news it is Obama's personal achievement, when it it bad news someone or something else's fault. Strong work.
 
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Four months ago, Obama called Yemen’s war on terror a success. Now the Yemeni government may fall. - The Washington Post

Oh I get it, when it is good news it is Obama's personal achievement, when it it bad news someone or something else's fault. Strong work.

Again: how is this his fault? Does the President of the United States have the power to magically affect everything that happens in some other sovereign nation? I feel the same way when people blame Bush and Blair for ISIS, and even then our involvement was much more direct than it ever has been in Yemen.
 
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This is a prime example of an ad hominem fallacy. Grant could be the most cowardly man in existence and it would have zero effect on the validity of his position. That's not even touching on the stupidity of "send your kids" (as if that's how it works) or the fact that we wouldn't be sending anyone who did not volunteer to join the service in the first place.

That being said, this is not the time for US troops to be in Yemen. I agree with you on that count.

It's easy as hell to scream for war as long as you don't have to go. It's a cake walk sending someone else's child to die, avoid the guilt by declaring "well, they volunteered for it". Later maybe a yellow ribbon bumper sticker to show that you support the troops, whatever that really means.

When people start coming home in parts and the Veteran's Administration ****s over the nation's best, the volunteers, there won't be any big demonstrations, there won't be any big marches from citizens demanding that their government honor its debt to its warriors. The masses will be silent. But they'll all stand up and take their hats off during the national anthem at a baseball game and complain to each other about anyone who didn't "respect the flag".

When ALL American citizens and corporations make great sacrifices to go to war, when everyone and their sons and daughters stand an equal chance of marching into the breech, then one hell of a lot of Americans will be most reluctant to make the sacrifices they so easily expect of others.
 
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ISIS has trounced Obama, the Yemenese have done it, Al Quaeda has done it, Libya has laughed at his ineptitude, and even Nehatanyu has beaten Obama's best shot.

Now all these losses, and zero wins, is somehow a good thing? You reckon the US will not be next? Do you really think you can run and hide forever?

ISIS ‘hacking division’ releases hit list of 100 U.S. military personnel, including names and addresses | National Post

Let's see now. The USA has put its' money and arms on moderate rebels of IS and AQAS because this is who the Saudis, our scumbag allies, support. Now, the Saudis always suport Wahabis or Sunnis, and these are Shiites in Yemen tossing out Sunnis and Wahabis that are the USA allies through Saudi Arabia and we have used them in Libya. I think we need to clean house in the USA Terror War and work against the terrorists for a while, or just unplug the electronic checkbook to these various and sundry scalawags. We keep supporting "BAD GUYS" Why is that?
 
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When ALL American citizens and corporations make great sacrifices to go to war, when everyone and their sons and daughters stand an equal chance of marching into the breech, then one hell of a lot of Americans will be most reluctant to make the sacrifices they so easily expect of others.
All the American citizens and their sons and daughters needn't go marching into any breach, that is coming to them. Islamic State: ISIS Releases Kill List, Addresses Of 100 U.S. Military Members To Be Beheaded In Their Homes
 
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It's easy as hell to scream for war as long as you don't have to go. It's a cake walk sending someone else's child to die, avoid the guilt by declaring "well, they volunteered for it". Later maybe a yellow ribbon bumper sticker to show that you support the troops, whatever that really means.
Wouldn't the same principle apply to the antiwar point of view? Take ISIS: it's easy to be against intervention when most Americans face almost no threat to themselves from ISIS, but those who are being murdered, expelled, and enslaved by them would likely have a different take. Demanding that people put themselves personally at risk in order to have an opinion on how the US should handle global conflicts is not rational.

When people start coming home in parts and the Veteran's Administration ****s over the nation's best, the volunteers, there won't be any big demonstrations, there won't be any big marches from citizens demanding that their government honor its debt to its warriors. The masses will be silent. But they'll all stand up and take their hats off during the national anthem at a baseball game and complain to each other about anyone who didn't "respect the flag".

If you mean to say that the US public needs to be committed to the fact that we are at war, actually pay attention, and give veterans the treatment they deserve, I completely agree. The apathy of the country as a whole towards the War in Afghanistan was disturbing, and it's disgraceful how many are abandoned to homelessness and mental illness.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us/politics/out-of-yemen-us-is-hobbled-in-terror-fight.html?_r=0

This is what Obama said just a few months ago.

"This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years"

It's not that Obama is just the most stupid president in US History, he is quite likely the stupidest leader of any democracy in world history. This man has blood all over his hands.

The decision not to lend Hadi support and stay 'above the fray' has proven disastrous. But like every other foreign policy mistake of the past seven years we'll never see a reversal just more doubling down.
 
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good. pull them all out, and close every embassy that is located in a hostile region.
Exactly. Im all for pulling out of the entire Middle East. They can solve their own problems. Let's not sacrifice another American life for these people.
 
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I think you had better get your butt and your family's butt over there and kill people. You are wasting time in panic mode. :scared:

Lead the way. Quit screaming for everyone else to do it for you. Get moving. Take some other Canadians with you.


What about those that have been there.....did you want to try and tell us that BS, too? :roll:
 
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So, it kinda sounds to me like that's where the right has been getting the big idea of a fence on our southern border...

BTW, what about the Saudis?


Nah.....actually the Saud have heard the Repubs for years talk about border security.


Well they have complained to the UN.....I doubt they will or can do anything about it. Also they might not like the numbers and that the Shia hold 1/3rd of the population. Equaling the 2/3rd Sunni population in might. In order for the Saud to try and take Yemen. They would need the Shia to be reduced to about an 1/8th of the population. Then they could actually win a conflict.
 
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What about those that have been there.....did you want to try and tell us that BS, too? :roll:

Are you in a state of panic because ISIS put the names of 100 American service men and women on the Internet and said people should kill them? These are names ISIS got from social media. Did you panic when Hanoi Hannah did essentially the same thing?

You understand asymmetric warfare. You are also an old fart. You'd probably go as long as the army promised scheduled naps.
 
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Are you in a state of panic because ISIS put the names of 100 American service men and women on the Internet and said people should kill them? These are names ISIS got from social media. Did you panic when Hanoi Hannah did essentially the same thing?

You understand asymmetric warfare. You are also an old fart. You'd probably go as long as the army promised scheduled naps.



Nah not me RT :2wave: .....its the MS media panicking now. They're the ones that pushed this up to the Top Trending. Day it came out it wasn't such a big concern. But you know how it is too. There are many that have become older and all they could do is, Wish they were younger to do what needs to be done.

I think we should respond back.....start selling decks of cards with some of these Terrorist leaders and generals faces on those Club cards. Put out those Bounty Hunter Want Ads.

Cmon now, I get my 4 and half in. I don't need naps. Now my own Jeep or new fangled contraption that can get me around, you know I can't resist that! :lol:


Send in the Expendables! :2razz:

 
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Yemen has been a mess for some time and this has nothing to do with Obama or what's going on with ISIS elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see what the Saudis do about this. THAT should be our focus.

So what you are saying is you think Obama was lying to the American people when he claimed his policies were a success in Yemen?
 
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I knew all of that already. How is it his fault that Yemen collapsed? As I said, the issue of the Houthis is separate from that of AQAP - the Houthi takeover just makes it more difficult to coordinate with a stable Yemeni government. We had SF and drones in Yemen, and they did a good job of preventing AQAP from becoming like al-Qaeda pre-9/11. And Yemen is not yet a lost cause: I anticipate that if the Houthis are not serious about a unity government, which I doubt they are, the Saudis will come in and wipe away the Iranian encroachment on their border.


Well it wont be the Saud alone. Even they say so.


Saudi Arabia: Arabs will take action over Yemen if peace efforts fail.....

RIYADH (Reuters) - Arab countries will take necessary measures to protect the region against "aggression" by Yemen's Iranian-allied Houthi group if a peaceful solution cannot be found to that country's turmoil, Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said on Monday.

Asked if Riyadh might offer military aid to Hadi, whom it recognizes as Yemen's legitimate ruler, Prince Saud said: "Certainly, countries in the region and the Arab world will take the necessary measures to protect the region from aggression."

Earlier, in Cairo, Riyadh Yaseen, named by Hadi as his interim foreign minister, called for Gulf Arab military intervention in Yemen, and notably the imposition of a no-fly zone, to stop territorial advances by Houthi fighters.....snip~

Saudi Arabia: Arabs will take action over Yemen if peace efforts fail
 
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Yemen has been a mess for some time and this has nothing to do with Obama or what's going on with ISIS elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see what the Saudis do about this. THAT should be our focus.

From the 23 March 2015 Nightwatch OSINT product:

Yemeni President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi asked the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) to intervene militarily against the Houthi rebels, according to Hadi's Foreign Minister Riad Yassin.

In a press interview, Yassin warned, "Yemeni authorities are working with the Gulf Cooperation Council and the UN Security Council to put an end to the Houthi expansion." He said that President Hadi asked the United Nations and the GCC's Peninsula Shield Force to "intervene to face the Houthis."

Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Saudi al-Faisal said, "The Houthi coup threatens the security and stability of Yemen, the region and the world….If the Houthi coup does not end peacefully, we will take the necessary measures for this crisis to protect the region."

According to press commentary, the Gulf Cooperation Council - Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Bahrain - warned earlier this year that they would act to protect the Arabian Peninsula's security and described the Houthi takeover of parts of Yemen as a "terrorist" act.

Comment: The Peninsula Shield Force intervened in Bahrain to put down civilian demonstrations. It is not known to have tested its capabilities against armed opponents. This force is not likely to be used in Yemen.

Hadi's appeal for intervention by the GCC is an admission that his regime will not survive without outside military help. However, there does not appear to be enough time for outside intervention to make a difference
 
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The decision not to lend Hadi support and stay 'above the fray' has proven disastrous. But like every other foreign policy mistake of the past seven years we'll never see a reversal just more doubling down.

True enough. I struggle to think of an administration more hostile to new information, or less capable of re-assessing it's assumptions and strategy.
 
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The USA didn't 'flee' Yemen, it made a strategic advance to the rear. :roll:

Thirty or forty years or so from now,after things calm down a little bit there, we'll probably be back in there.

Try probably 18 months. If not sooner.
 
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Nothing surprises me in terms of the scope of failures within the current administration. These are the same people who still trust Susan Rice to deal with other countries, for goodness sakes.
 
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While the American partisans keep playing their little perpetual finger pointing game, the rest of the world sees no difference in the way the US extends its foreign policy whether republican or democratic administrations are in power. US credibility and respect is in the ****ter. It was very low during the Bush administration, while the world had hopes with Obama, and the numbers went up early in his administration, they're now back down to Bush era numbers. The US, forget the party, has advanced bad foreign policy, damaging to our credibility, damaging to friends and ally's, and of course damaging to the lives of so many where we have promoted hegemony. It's effects have been huge. Russia, China, Germany and France (at least) have all stated that a unipolar world is a threat to global security and all have declared that they will be working to change that. Going forward, we'll be hard pressed to get unanimous votes from the UNSC for our military adventurism. The formation of BRICS and AIIB are by products, and USFP is pushing the unlikely partners of Russia and China closer together. The US was the worlds sole super power but a short time before the rest of the world recognized its dangers.

Americans (though you'd hardly see it reflected on this board) seem to be accepting (well, acknowledging at least) the trend of diminishing US power and influence.

Impressions of how the U.S. is perceived abroad improved soon after Barack Obama took office, but are now as negative as they were during the Bush administration. Seven-in-ten (70%) believe the U.S. is less respected by other countries than in the past; just 7% say the U.S. is more respected and 19% say it is as respected as in the past.

For the first time in surveys dating to 1974, more than half of the public (53%) says the United States plays a less important and powerful role as a world leader than it did a decade ago.

Members of the Council on Foreign Relations are also far more likely to see the U.S. as a less important and powerful world leader.

In fact, the Council on Foreign Relations is hugely against a uni-polar world, and thinks that the US should have a shared leadership role.

Members of the Council on Foreign Relations also overwhelmingly favor a shared leadership role for the U.S. – 86% express this view.

From the Pew Research Center

http://www.people-press.org/2013/12/03/section-1-americas-global-role/
 
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Nothing surprises me in terms of the scope of failures within the current administration. These are the same people who still trust Susan Rice to deal with other countries, for goodness sakes.

Right, because America's steady decline is all Obama's fault, lol.
 
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