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Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence shield

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No threatening to target another nation with nuclear weapons is a threat.



Well I'm not far away from a 50 cal so let's hope the genocidal war criminal Adolf Putler makes a visit to the UN real soon.

I hope you enjoyed your stay.
 
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No I'm asking you as you seem to want to speak on his behalf most of the time ?

Whether we like it or not, whether we accept it or not, Russia views this type of NATO extension as threatening to their national security. Russia offered a compromise deal of shared monitoring of the Bush era planned MDS for Poland in 2007. Of course the Bush administration rejected that, furthering Russian suspicions. Russia then threatened to install nuclear missiles along its border if the plan went forward. Thankfully Obama scraped the plan.

On November 5, 2008, in his first State of the Nation speech, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated, "From what we have seen in recent years — the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO — we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength."

As a side note, Russia, China, Germany and France have all expressed that a uni-polar world is a threat to global security and are working to change that.
 
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He said that if they joint the defense shield which is their right as a sovereign nation they will be targeted with nuclear weapons, nothing else was stated, that's what he said and no amount of your payed for by Kremlin propaganda is going to change that, end of.

Lol, you really don't have a clue. Get your 50 cal and change the world buddy. What a joke.
 
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He said that if they joint the defense shield which is their right as a sovereign nation they will be targeted with nuclear weapons, nothing else was stated, that's what he said and no amount of your payed for by Kremlin propaganda is going to change that, end of.

Listen, "target," in this context could be described as "aim at," not "fire at." Like the United States has of Russia, Russia has a list of western targets to be destroyed in the event that nuclear war breaks out. They would add these missile defense systems to such a list.

Russia is not saying "we will attack if you join this missile shield." Russia is saying "this will make your missile shield a target for nukes if we go to war."

I hope this clears up your confusion. On your next forum, I suggest you refrain from threatening world leaders with assassination.
 
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Whether we like it or not, whether we accept it or not, Russia views this type of NATO extension as threatening to their national security.

How do you threaten Russia by drawing down your forces in the region and installing a defensive system ?

On November 5, 2008, in his first State of the Nation speech, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated, "From what we have seen in recent years — the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO — we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength."

How can NATO test Russias strength by greatly reducing its forces facing it ?

As a side note, Russia, China, Germany and France have all expressed that a uni-polar world is a threat to global security and are working to change that.

US forces in Europe number around 15% of what they were 25 years ago so how is this threatening Russias interests ?
 
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They are, their economy is in the toilet, the bread lines are coming, someone will put a bullet in Adolf Putler's head soon enough.

it's a silly dick measuring contest. we need to concentrate on our own country instead of jerking off while reminiscing of the cold war.
 
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How do you threaten Russia by drawing down your forces in the region and installing a defensive system ?



How can NATO test Russias strength by greatly reducing its forces facing it ?



US forces in Europe number around 15% of what they were 25 years ago so how is this threatening Russias interests ?

I think you missed it. Nations act in their own interests. Russia perceives NATO expansion, both in adding member states as it's done 11 times in the past dozen years or so, as well as it's plans of deploying more MDS as a threat to them and they are going to act according to that. It doesn't require your understanding, watch Putin!
 
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I think you missed it. Nations act in their own interests. Russia perceives NATO expansion, both in adding member states as it's done 11 times in the past dozen years or so, as well as it's plans of deploying more MDS as a threat to them and they are going to act according to that. It doesn't require your understanding, watch Putin!

I see. You were given three straightforward questions to answer and managed to avoid answering any of them. :roll:
 
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I see. You were given three straightforward questions to answer and managed to avoid answering any of them. :roll:

What's wrong with you. I explained to you that what you and I think is irrelevant! Russia feels threatened by an ever expanding NATO, and as such they're going to respond in their interests. You can let your blood pressure elevate, allow yourself to hyperventilate, beat your chest about Russia if it improves your morale. One things certain, Russia has been very clear that they intend to push back on uni-polar hegemony, BRICS, AIIB and alliances signed back in 2001 with China are some of the measures. It is what it is flogger.
 
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What's wrong with you. I explained to you that what you and I think is irrelevant! Russia feels threatened by an ever expanding NATO, and as such they're going to respond in their interests. You can let your blood pressure elevate, allow yourself to hyperventilate, beat your chest about Russia if it improves your morale. One things certain, Russia has been very clear that they intend to push back on uni-polar hegemony, BRICS, AIIB and alliances signed back in 2001 with China are some of the measures. It is what it is flogger.

You are incapable and/or unwilling to answer them then ?

Fair enough :roll:
 
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You are incapable and/or unwilling to answer them then ?

Fair enough :roll:

Then you're incapable of comprehension.
 
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Then you're incapable of comprehension.

More evasion I'm still awaiting your answers.

I'll make it real simple. How can a nation feel threatened by its neighbours disarming themselves for decades all around it ?
 
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More evasion I'm still awaiting your answers.

I'll make it real simple. How can a nation feel threatened by its neighbours disarming themselves for decades all around it ?

How can you remain in your seat advancing such lies?

Again flogger, just because you don't understand Russia's interests and concerns, doesn't mean Russia doesn't have them. Your fear mongering, hyperventilation and hysteria is vain.

Russia views the United States and NATO as major threats to global security and potentially to its own military, according to a sweeping new security document unveiled by the Kremlin yesterday. The document, outlining Russia's national security strategy through 2020, also warned international relations will be shaped by battles over energy resources, which may trigger military conflicts on Russia's borders.

Russia will seek an equal "partnership" with the United States, the policy paper said, adding Moscow would pursue a "rational and pragmatic" foreign policy and avoid a new arms race. It also named U.S. missile defense plans in Europe among top threats to the national security.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/11644177.asp?scr=1
 
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How can you remain in your seat advancing such lies?

Prove me wrong ?
Where is the actuality of this threat Russia supposedly 'feels' ?
Where is this military might stationed on its borders ?
How do you threaten someone with ABMs ?

More questions that will of course go unanswered :roll:
 
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Again flogger, just because you don't understand Russia's interests and concerns, doesn't mean Russia doesn't have them. Your fear mongering, hyperventilation and hysteria is vain.

Instead of all the handwringing over Russian sensibilities lets get a NATO perspective on all of this. After all there are many countries who's existence is potentially threatened by the possibility of similar action taken against them as Russia has done with Ukraine.

http://www.nato.int/cps/eu/natohq/topics_111767.htm

Russia views the United States and NATO as major threats to global security and potentially to its own military, according to a sweeping new security document unveiled by the Kremlin yesterday.

The Russian view simply does not bear any scrutiny. It is simply being used as an excuse for their actions in Ukraine. There is no NATO threat to it as the continued defence cuts in most of its member states can attest. Conversely Russian military expansion is massive

Giri Rajendran: What now for European defence spending? | IISS

The document, outlining Russia's national security strategy through 2020, also warned international relations will be shaped by battles over energy resources, which may trigger military conflicts on Russia's borders

So far it has been Russia doing all the triggering

Russia will seek an equal "partnership" with the United States, the policy paper said, adding Moscow would pursue a "rational and pragmatic" foreign policy and avoid a new arms race. It also named U.S. missile defense plans in Europe among top threats to the national security.

How can a totally defensive system threaten Russian national security ? Did the Maginot line threaten German security ? Given continued NATO disarmament here is something very much threatening Europes security

Russian Defense Budget to Hit Record $81 Billion in 2015 | Business | The Moscow Times

This level of defence spending is three times the NATO average
 
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Instead of all the handwringing over Russian sensibilities lets get a NATO perspective on all of this. After all there are many countries who's existence is potentially threatened by the possibility of similar action taken against them as Russia has done with Ukraine.

http://www.nato.int/cps/eu/natohq/topics_111767.htm



The Russian view simply does not bear any scrutiny. It is simply being used as an excuse for their actions in Ukraine. There is no NATO threat to it as the continued defence cuts in most of its member states can attest. Conversely Russian military expansion is massive

Giri Rajendran: What now for European defence spending? | IISS



So far it has been Russia doing all the triggering



How can a totally defensive system threaten Russian national security ? Did the Maginot line threaten German security ? Given continued NATO disarmament here is something very much threatening Europes security

Russian Defense Budget to Hit Record $81 Billion in 2015 | Business | The Moscow Times

This level of defence spending is three times the NATO average

So they're threats to each other. Lol, Russian defense budget is about how much the US looses in waste, fraud and abuse. Funny that you'd point to the Russian defense budget as a threat to NATO, when the combined NATO countries defense budgets together with the US's is the very proof that Russia needs to be concerned, and of course many NATO countries are engaged with the US in economic warfare with Russia. I've already educated you on Russia/Ukraine, in other threads.

Here's the point, Russia's not going to be pushed around anymore, AND THEYVE SAID SO!
 
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Russia has threatened to target Denmark’s warships with nuclear weapons if the Scandinavian nation becomes a member of Nato’s missile defence shield.

Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence shield - Europe - World - The Independent

Putin knows damn well what a nuclear attack on a NATO member means, this is the last straw, this man Adolf Putler needs to be stopped by any means necessary, it is incumbent on any person in the world capable of doing so to assassinate this insane genocidal monster.

Denmark has been under the gun, and almost certainly still is under the gun if a general European war were to break out. This is just a flagging autocrat puffing up his chest.
 
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So they're threats to each other.

Only one side is doing the threatening, the rearming and the invading its neighbours whilst the other isn't . I'm still awaiting your answers to my previous questions
 
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Only one side is doing the threatening, the rearming and the invading its neighbours whilst the other isn't . I'm still awaiting your answers to my previous questions

You can ignore my answers all you wish. You destroyed your own argument about threats pointing to the growing Russian military expenditures. If that's the yardstick of threat level, then as I already explained to you, the combined NATO countries and US military expenditures pose a grave threat for Russia. And I'll remind you that Russia isn't concerned about you, and your opinion, they're concerned about addressing their own external threats and their interests.

Besides that, I don't need a schooling from you on imperialism. The British empire obviously believed it was in their interest to colonize the entire world, set out to achieve it, did a hell of a job toward that end, and the effects of it are still being felt in corners of the world. And your wringing your hands over Putin. :lamo
 
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You can ignore my answers all you wish.

What answers ? You haven't answered a single one yet and I'll keep asking them until you do

You destroyed your own argument about threats pointing to the growing Russian military expenditures. If that's the yardstick of threat level, then as I already explained to you, the combined NATO countries and US military expenditures pose a grave threat for Russia

Why is the vastly reduced NATO expenditures on defence today seen as an increasing threat to Russia but conversely Russia greatly increasing expenditures seen as the opposite ? You've been given the figures

And I'll remind you that Russia isn't concerned about you, and your opinion, they're concerned about addressing their own external threats and their interests.

Much to the chagrin of the sovereignty and right to self determination of its neighbours right ? Why are Russias rights deemed by you to be more important than anyone else's ?:roll:
 
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What answers ? You haven't answered a single one yet and I'll keep asking them until you do



Why is the vastly reduced NATO expenditures on defence today seen as an increasing threat to Russia but conversely Russia greatly increasing expenditures seen as the opposite ? You've been given the figures



Much to the chagrin of the sovereignty and right to self determination of its neighbours right ? Why are Russias rights deemed by you to be more important than anyone else's ?:roll:

I haven't discussed rights, that's you. Although you don't, you should know that there's no such thing as national rights. Do you have the political, economic and military capital to force your interests and security, that's it. Russia, as I already pointed out when I quoted Medvedev's first SOTUS, has articulated what they consider as threats to their security. Why do you keep arguing so. You can't be expected to understand what Russians, Chinese or Iranians feel to be threats to their security and interests, your far too patronizing to be objective on this.
 
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I haven't discussed rights, that's you. Although you don't, you should know that there's no such thing as national rights.

Except when it comes to Russia right ? Good grief ! :shock:

Do you have the political, economic and military capital to force your interests and security, that's it. Russia, as I already pointed out when I quoted Medvedev's first SOTUS, has articulated what they consider as threats to their security.

And as I have illustrated with multiple sources those threats are non existent. They are simply Russias excuse to indulge in a spot of empire rebuilding and thereby massage the ego of one man

Why do you keep arguing so. You can't be expected to understand what Russians, Chinese or Iranians feel to be threats to their security and interests, your far too patronizing to be objective on this.

Once again I put it to you. Why are Russia's security concerns of more importance and worthy of more credence than those of her neighbours ?

Please quantify this alleged greater threat Russia now faces in light of considerable NATO force reductions on its borders over the last 25 years ?

Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?
 
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Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?

Imagine you and I don't like each other. (tough, I know!) We both have guns pointed at each other. If either pulls the trigger, the other will too. We both die.

Now picture I am also building a wall of bricks as we sit in this standoff. Eventually the wall will be high enough to protect me from your gun (with a slot I can still aim and fire through to kill you). Eventually, I will have the ability to kill you and you will lack the ability to retaliate.

What do you do?
 
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Please explain how an ABM system threatens anyone elses security ?

Any defensive weapons system can be used as an offensive weapons system. Case in point.. anti-aircraft guns. They are defensive, and yet were often used offensively during WW2.
 
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Putin is not the Czar of Russia and if he ordered a nuclear attack the result would, instead, be his assassination (likely presented publicly as his having a heart attack.) The structure of the Russian military is not like that of the USA. It is far more independent of the civil government.

Putin is dangerous in terms of regional expansion goals and potentially causing troubles in various countries. But he is not a threat of nuclear war. He does not have the power to unilaterally order a nuclear strike.

Tell that to the Ukraine.
 
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