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Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

US Conservative said:
Monte, you are being intellectually lazy again, I have given you a wealth of information, but we know you are simply going to believe whatever it is thats easiest for you.
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The P5 plus 1 are negotiating a deal on Nukes.
That does not equate to the US letting Iran have the run of the ME.
It does not stop the US from sabotage either.
Many in the west myself included hope for a revolution in Iran.
If no deal is reached, the sanctions increased, the economy worsens, and then we will see mass rioting.
Unfortunately, the present leadership would not hesitate to commit mass murder and massacre demonstrators. Self preservation of their power will cause that.
Even the Shah did not do that.
 
matchlight said:
Now there's something to be proud of--negotiating about the nuclear aspirations of a murdering, degenerate son of a bitch like him. And Mr. Teresa Heinz is just the man for the job.
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Wow, that's harsh. Kerry can stand on his own reputation, for example, being a Hanoi Hall-of-Famer.
 
US Conservative said:
There was an Iranian protester on live television being interviewed and she skewed from the topic and basically started begging us to help, saying they were killing people left and right, secret police everywhere, etc.

And the idiotic tv host just kind of froze up. I can't even find that exchange on youtube or anywhere else, but it brought a tear to my eye.

And it was crickets from Obama, he's on the wrong side of everything-even if he was just inept-occasionally he'd do the right thing, but Im not seeing that.
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So war was the answer then? That's what you guys said about Iraq. Still are actually.

Basically, you are advocating the deaths of thousands of Americans to involve ourselves in Iranian politics?
 
Moot said:
"....As the supreme leader spoke, a crowd chanted, “Death to America.” Khamenei said the rhetoric was justified because America is behind all threats to Iran.

Despite such criticism and the terms he is seeking, Khamenei’s speech represented a qualified support for continued negotiations, analysts said.

Ali Khorram, a former top Iranian diplomat, said the supreme leader was signaling that Iran was ready to negotiate and that “if the deal doesn’t happen, it is the fault of the USA.”

In this way, Khamenei was seeking to balance the demands of Iran’s political reformers, who are eager for a deal, and conservatives who are deeply wary, Khorram said....."​


He sounds a lot more rational than most US conservatives.
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You think that someone who believes that death to America rhetoric is justified is more rational than most American conservatives are? That's pretty difficult to justify.
 
nota bene said:
Wow, that's harsh. Kerry can stand on his own reputation, for example, being a Hanoi Hall-of-Famer.
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Yes--too bad Obama couldn't name Jane Fonda ambassador to Vietnam, and make his down-with-America administration complete.
 
rocket88 said:
So war was the answer then? That's what you guys said about Iraq. Still are actually.

Basically, you are advocating the deaths of thousands of Americans to involve ourselves in Iranian politics?
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Who has called for any action against Iran that would likely cause the "deaths of thousands of Americans?" The United States has no reason to fear the regime that rules Iran. I hope the next president will give the members of that regime very good reasons to fear the United States.
 
matchlight said:
No, I didn't know that. And I doubt you know it, either, as suggested by your conspicuous lack of evidence for it. Makes a nice urban myth, though.
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What a stupid thing to say. If I didn't know about it then how could I mention it? :roll:


If so, you are a little late to try to prove it. Not that it makes any difference, considering that no U.S. president has ever been prosecuted for treason.
Again, a wild assertion supported by no evidence. Do you by any chance write for one of those "urban" throwaway papers?

Have you worn out blaming Bush for your messiah's blundering, so that now you have to reach all the way back to Ronald Reagan? Next you'll be claiming Eisenhower is to blame.

I wouldn't know, since I am not a member of "the right wing base"--whatever that is. But President Pinocchio's acolytes should be careful about accusing anyone else of swallowing lies.
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....and just when I think your post couldn't possibly get any more stupid....you prove that it can. Good for you.
 
matchlight said:
Who has called for any action against Iran that would likely cause the "deaths of thousands of Americans?" The United States has no reason to fear the regime that rules Iran. I hope the next president will give the members of that regime very good reasons to fear the United States.
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US Con did. "Crickets from Obama...."

Words weren't going to change what was happening there at that time. What would be, in your opinion, an effective policy that would have aided the protestors?
 
rocket88 said:
So war was the answer then? That's what you guys said about Iraq. Still are actually.

Basically, you are advocating the deaths of thousands of Americans to involve ourselves in Iranian politics?
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No, Obama should have stood up and told those protestors that we supported them, and instead it was crickets.
At right around the same time, he was bombing Libya.
 
US Conservative said:
No, Obama should have stood up and told those protestors that we supported them, and instead it was crickets.
At right around the same time, he was bombing Libya.
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So how should he have supported them? What words could he have said that would have made a difference?
 
rocket88 said:
US Con did. "Crickets from Obama...."

Words weren't going to change what was happening there at that time. What would be, in your opinion, an effective policy that would have aided the protestors?
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"Crickets from Obama"=military intervention in Iran?

Try again turbo.
 
nota bene said:
You think that someone who believes that death to America rhetoric is justified is more rational than most American conservatives are? That's pretty difficult to justify.
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Not hard to justify at all considering the majority of the GOP are birthers and don't believe in science and would sell out their own country to score a few political points for their party.
 
Moot said:
What a stupid thing to say. If I didn't know about it then how could I mention it? :roll:


....and just when I think your post couldn't possibly get any more stupid....you prove that it can. Good for you.
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I take your remarks as a compliment. Thank you.
 
US Conservative said:
"Crickets from Obama"=military intervention in Iran?

Try again turbo.
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So what would be an effective policy that would have changed anything? Are you more interested in the right rhetoric?

The Bush policy of finger wagging and making vague threats didn't change anything in Iran. Yet you're upset that Obama didn't do the same?
 
nota bene said:
You think that someone who believes that death to America rhetoric is justified is more rational than most American conservatives are? That's pretty difficult to justify.
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This is how absolutely distorted the left has become.

Conservatives are the same (maybe even worse) than terrorists. Israel is bad because Netanyahu disagrees with Dear Leader and therefore must be conservative. Conservatives are just like Iran because we think the deal is no deal at all.

In THIS thread, Ive heard lefty excuses including Khamenei didn't say what he said, it was "just" a chant, they drink coke so they can't be bad, etc. :doh

Its a coincidence, no doubt that any different political ideology, religion, or patriotism (which happen to be the direct competitors of liberalism) are the bad guys.
 
Democrat152 said:
I don't think you understand the kind of pressure the Iranian Leaders are under from their hardliners. This is just rhetoric to appease them. If "Death to America" were really his only goal he wouldn't have allowed negotiations to happen in the first place.
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It is, word for word, the same "rhetoric" heard again and again in the streets of Tehran in the days and weeks before "students" stormed the Us embassy....

I guess a segment of America has forgotten that.

So now we have it, the truth of Obama's foreign policy. Iran is your 'new best friend' and Israel is the enemy, as anything anti-American in Iran now is merely a 'spontaneous demonstration' and not a threat, but sanctions must be leveled against Israel, ISIS cannot be bombed too hard, and **** anyone who we say "never did anything for us" ...and btw "we don't want any Canadian oil on our land" so **** Canada too.

Obama and his people have no idea what "friend" means, if there are no votes in it for Obama, **** 'em.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh no! They said "Death to America" that must mean they are going to kill us all! :scared::scared:
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Exactly the same words, word for ****ing word, as those used in 1978 by "students' wielding placards when an incompetent peanut farmer though he could talk to them....

and guess what, they have a bigger army now and $300 billion in cash that Obama handed to them a month ago.

But they are your "new friends" now....so your oil needs will be OK
 
nota bene said:
You think that someone who believes that death to America rhetoric is justified is more rational than most American conservatives are? That's pretty difficult to justify.
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The "Death to America" is so cliche in Persian, that it's virtually meaningless. You could shout "Death to Spinach" and it'd have the same oompf to the average Iranian.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Exactly the same words, word for ****ing word, as those used in 1978 by "students' wielding placards when an incompetent peanut farmer though he could talk to them....

and guess what, they have a bigger army now and $300 billion in cash that Obama handed to them a month ago.

But they are your "new friends" now....so your oil needs will be OK
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And they now have the capacity to produce nukes, and have greatly expanded their presence throughout the middle east.
Our forums lefties say its nothing to worry about. :doh
 
Fearandloathing said:
It is, word for word, the same "rhetoric" heard again and again in the streets of Tehran in the days and weeks before "students" stormed the Us embassy....

I guess a segment of America has forgotten that.

So now we have it, the truth of Obama's foreign policy. Iran is your 'new best friend' and Israel is the enemy, as anything anti-American in Iran now is merely a 'spontaneous demonstration' and not a threat, but sanctions must be leveled against Israel, ISIS cannot be bombed too hard, and **** anyone who we say "never did anything for us" ...and btw "we don't want any Canadian oil on our land" so **** Canada too.

Obama and his people have no idea what "friend" means, if there are no votes in it for Obama, **** 'em.
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Keep on thinking that the oil is some kind of gift from Canada. Just shows you as utterly clueless.

You are aware that it's private companies doing the extraction right? As long as it's profitable they will continue to do it, when it isn't they'll stop and we'd be left with a pipeline carrying nothing.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Exactly the same words, word for ****ing word, as those used in 1978 by "students' wielding placards when an incompetent peanut farmer though he could talk to them....

and guess what, they have a bigger army now and $300 billion in cash that Obama handed to them a month ago.

But they are your "new friends" now....so your oil needs will be OK
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300 Billion? I thought it was around the 11 Billion mark.
 
US Conservative said:
And they now have the capacity to produce nukes, and have greatly expanded their presence throughout the middle east.
Our forums lefties say its nothing to worry about. :doh
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They were working on that ability throughout the Bush administration. He didn't stop it.

What, in your opinion, would be the appropriate action? When pressed you won't own up to calling for military action. You oppose diplomacy. It seems that you have no ideas other than continuing the failed policies that didn't change Iran, and didn't keep them from pursuing a weapons program.
 
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