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Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

I don't think I made that claim.

Quite right - I read that wrong. Optometrist tells me I have to get frigging reading glasses and I'm not even 50 yet! :tomatofac

My apologies.
 
In other words, once again you can't.

What does it say about you that you can't back your claims?

I think you feel more than think.

You don't know squat. Just keep slinging your right wing nonsense. What's hilarious is that you can't come up with anything original. You just parrot right wing radio.
 
I dont know how much Obama would mind, but its intended as evidence that he is being played by Iran.

So they will not only get nukes (they already have the capability) but they will get billions of dollars, and they will have run afoul of Obama. To be fair, this is just the latest in a string of foreign policy "smart diplomacy" blunders.

So you know what the agreement is then?

Can you enlighten the rest of us?
 
Why would that be a good thing?

I'm delighted to have that conversation with you but I marginalized it because it's too far off topic. I agree with Tex that an acceptable nuclear deal is more likely what we get from Iran than our own demise. I'm also not satisfied that Khomeini even said it. I can't translate his language, it came from the Israeli press and then US media picked it up from there. That's besides the point that just as with Iraq, Iran has neither the will or the ability to make good on it. So not to worry. Let the P5+1 finish there work, then if your still scared of an Iranian nuke, we'll discuss why that is.
 
I'm delighted to have that conversation with you but I marginalized it because it's too far off topic. I agree with Tex that an acceptable nuclear deal is more likely what we get from Iran than our own demise. I'm also not satisfied that Khomeini even said it. I can't translate his language, it came from the Israeli press and then US media picked it up from there. That's besides the point that just as with Iraq, Iran has neither the will or the ability to make good on it. So not to worry. Let the P5+1 finish there work, then if your still scared of an Iranian nuke, we'll discuss why that is.

It's funny how that anytime the Iranian leadership says something that's counter to the rights meme, it's dismissed because after all, it's Iran, they can't be trusted. But when they say something that feeds that meme, suddenly it has profound relevance, lol.
 
And Obama's upping your anti. He's trusting nothing and insisting Iran submit to rigorous inspections, see?

He's trusting the people chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA" to abide by a piece of paper.

Riiight. I got some sea front property for you, just outside Flagstaff AZ...
 
You don't know squat. Just keep slinging your right wing nonsense. What's hilarious is that you can't come up with anything original. You just parrot right wing radio.

I know you have problems expressing your views, and certainly can't back them up. :2wave:
 
I'm delighted to have that conversation with you but I marginalized it because it's too far off topic. I agree with Tex that an acceptable nuclear deal is more likely what we get from Iran than our own demise. I'm also not satisfied that Khomeini even said it. I can't translate his language, it came from the Israeli press and then US media picked it up from there. That's besides the point that just as with Iraq, Iran has neither the will or the ability to make good on it. So not to worry. Let the P5+1 finish there work, then if your still scared of an Iranian nuke, we'll discuss why that is.

It has nothing to do with my fear - it has to do with an escalation and proliferation of ME countries who are psychological and religious loons. You won't be worried about climate change after a couple nukes drop for "allah" and 20 or 30 million Jews are wiped out. The fallout alone would cause major issues world wide, increases in cancer rates, land and water supplies, immeasurable wildlife and ocean toxification - I mean I get you're not going to worry about 30 million Jewish men, women and children but there will also be Israeli Palestinians dying too and lots of the fallout may even hit areas of Palestine itself.

So you seem okay with that and see, I'm not.
 
So you know what the agreement is then?

Can you enlighten the rest of us?

I know the agreement was originally for 500 centrifuges-now the "compromise" is 6,000 out of Irans 10,000.
I know they already have the capability for nukes.
I know socialist France is being tougher on Iran in these talks than Obama.
I know we have given them billions.

What on earth kind of deal is that?
 
To you. The poster you were responding to had not even implied anyone should send "troops on the ground" into Iran. That was entirely your invention, and you went on to embellish it with other far-fetched imaginings.

Here is one of several informed studies that have been made of possible air attacks on Iran's nuclear weapons facilities, both by the U.S. and by Israel:

http://csis.org/files/publication/120906_Iran_US_Preventive_Strikes.pdf

QUOTE=Ockham;1064449041]To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.[/QUOTE]
By whatever means necessary. Your interpretation of the post is welcomed.
Edit- Thank you for the link.
 
Howdy Polgara. Allow me to ease your frustration some. First, you can find a crowd of people, even in ally countries to the United States that will chant horrible things about America. But the overwhelming majority of Iranians have a good regard for Americans.

The agreement deadline hasn't been reached, and could likely be extended if necessary. The sanctions are impositions on the Iranian public, primarily, and they aren't invited into the negotiations. The six countries negotiating with Iran largely agree that sanctions are impediments. Only Bibi, who isn't involved in the negotiations believes sanctions should be increased. Iran really isn't a threat to you or us, just like Libya wasn't before that, or Iraq before that.

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

You've got to admit that people here might be a tad more sympathetic to the peoples' plight if the current Ayatollah didn't agree with them, keeping them agitated! He's not supposed to be a politician, but he sure sounds like one, rather than a religious leader! Talk about speaking out of both sides of one's mouth... Does anyone know what's really going on, since the story keeps changing, depending on which country involved in the talks is doing the talking? :confused: Sheesh!
 
We have tried to negotiate before, Iran was just feigning interest to build up nuclear weapons capabilities.

And thats what they got.

Yeah I've been saying Iran's been rope-a-doping the US for a long time about nukes.... just like North Korea did. This nonsense with Iran will go the same route....
 
It has nothing to do with my fear - it has to do with an escalation and proliferation of ME countries who are psychological and religious loons. You won't be worried about climate change after a couple nukes drop for "allah" and 20 or 30 million Jews are wiped out. The fallout alone would cause major issues world wide, increases in cancer rates, land and water supplies, immeasurable wildlife and ocean toxification - I mean I get you're not going to worry about 30 million Jewish men, women and children but there will also be Israeli Palestinians dying too and lots of the fallout may even hit areas of Palestine itself.

So you seem okay with that and see, I'm not.

I'm not afraid of people in the Middle East nuking America. The Bush administrations fear-mongering about Saddam Hussein never moved me, and this fearful handwringing to gin up another unnecessary war, doesn't move me either. Hopefully the hawks and freaks like McCain and Netanyahu are marginalized. But like I said, Netanyahu is very capable of going off on Iran.
 
To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.
By whatever means necessary. Your interpretation of the post is welcomed.

It's self explanatory. What part of "whatever means necessary" is confusing you?
 
Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

You've got to admit that people here might be a tad more sympathetic to the peoples' plight if the current Ayatollah didn't agree with them, keeping them agitated! He's not supposed to be a politician, but he sure sounds like one, rather than a religious leader! Talk about speaking out of both sides of one's mouth... Does anyone know what's really going on, since the story keeps changing, depending on which country involved in the talks is doing the talking? :confused: Sheesh!

That's just it. People are criticizing something they haven't seen! Doesn't that deserve a sheesh? Do you understand the language that Khomeini is speaking in. How do you know he said such a thing?
 
I'm not afraid of people in the Middle East nuking America.
So you're okay with other countries getting nuked. Good to know. Do you think at some point Iran will either develop or buy or a combination of the two ICBM's that could reach US allies or even the continental US at some point in the future AFTER they have the nuclear bomb capability or is that absolutely not possible? I mean, I'm all for looking at this in the short term but is that wise?

The Bush administrations fear-mongering about Saddam Hussein never moved me, and this fearful handwringing to gin up another unnecessary war, doesn't move me either. Hopefully the hawks and freaks like McCain and Netanyahu are marginalized. But like I said, Netanyahu is very capable of going off on Iran.
Well that Bush Administration was 7 years in the past and Iran's nuclear capabilities have grown and gotten better and in more areas and with more centrifuges than in 2008. So the whole Bush didn't do anything about it is irrelevant at this point as Obama's in power and has been for 7 years and is about to be replaced by a new as yet un-named President in the up coming elections. We have to live in the "here and now" with this issue don't you think?
 
Then either he has OKed the nuclear negotiations or does not not they are ongoing...which do you figure it is?

Negotiating with the US and calling for our demise is counter intuitive...which do you figure has more probability of actually happening???? Our demise at the hands of Iran or a nuclear deal?

I don't think these two are contradicting each other at all.
If he had OKed the negotiations he had done so because he believes that the deal is serving his interests.
 
So you're okay with other countries getting nuked. Good to know. Do you think at some point Iran will either develop or buy or a combination of the two ICBM's that could reach US allies or even the continental US at some point in the future AFTER they have the nuclear bomb capability or is that absolutely not possible? I mean, I'm all for looking at this in the short term but is that wise?

Well that Bush Administration was 7 years in the past and Iran's nuclear capabilities have grown and gotten better and in more areas and with more centrifuges than in 2008. So the whole Bush didn't do anything about it is irrelevant at this point as Obama's in power and has been for 7 years and is about to be replaced by a new as yet un-named President in the up coming elections. We have to live in the "here and now" with this issue don't you think?

Hold on a minute, when did I say I'm ok with anybody getting nuked, hmm? Kind of a bad debating tactic. I'm the one who advocates global eradication. I agree we're in the here and now, and theirs six nations leveraging Iran on this. It's not a unilateral Obama action. So it seems prudent that we let them finish before criticizing the deal that they all insist will prevent Iranian nukes and verify their compliance.
 
It's self explanatory. What part of "whatever means necessary" is confusing you?

I am not confused at all. Everything on the table, any and all Military assets needed to complete the mission of destroying any and all facilities targeted.
 
I'm not afraid of people in the Middle East nuking America. The Bush administrations fear-mongering about Saddam Hussein never moved me, and this fearful handwringing to gin up another unnecessary war, doesn't move me either. Hopefully the hawks and freaks like McCain and Netanyahu are marginalized. But like I said, Netanyahu is very capable of going off on Iran.

I don't really see any hand wringing and I don't think I need someone to gin any fear up to convince me Iran with a nuke makes this world much worse off than it would be if Iran had no nuke. I'm not surprised however that this will be North Korea all over again. It's not Obama's fault nor his WH or State Department. Iran is very clever and let's face it, negotiation and haggling started in the ME.
 
Ill let his actions speak for him. If destroying America was his only true concern he wouldn't have allowed negotiations to even begin. I'm certainly not saying he likes us, but he has greater concerns. What he says to his own people to keep himself with public opinion matters little to me.

I see, so you support regimes who chant "death to America". Got it.
 
That's just it. People are criticizing something they haven't seen! Doesn't that deserve a sheesh? Do you understand the language that Khomeini is speaking in. How do you know he said such a thing?

No, I don't speak Farsi, but I am slowly learning Mandarin Chinese...and some think English is difficult! :lol: Maybe I picked the wrong language?

I think I read what the Ayatollah said in one of the links somebody posted on this thread in a newspaper article written by a reporter covering the talks. Does anyone know, except those in the talks and they appear to be secretive except for the French, what's actually being discussed? :shock:
 
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