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Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity[W:274]

Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

No, I criticize government policies. You on the other hand, hate on the American president, and his party, and all his supporters. You really should seek help and counseling for such self destructive behavior. And your hypocrisy, that's not helping anything in America, it perpetuates more government wrong doing.

Now, before we get a in thread warning, tell me exactly why it is that you can't even leave your criticism behind concerning Obama extending a New Years greeting to the Iranians, hmm. Really, what is harmful in that?



No I don't hate him nor them....theres a difference. I don't put up with their BS. Nor do I give them a pass. Nor do I fall for that mantra you preach.....as you already know that you blamed the US. For even becoming a Country. Which goes back to Philosophy 101 on humankind and your incorporation of it with politics.

Btw Monte....you should look up in the Candidates in the Elections Forum about me bashing those on the Right. From Ted Cruz to Rand Paul. That's now in the current times and not back when your favorite Repub to blame was in. Buuuuuuuuuuuush Jr.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I don't owe you jack ****. And your hatred of the American president is obvious to all. As is your hatred of one half of Americans, the entire Democratic Party and all of Obama's supporters. That's hate. I criticize US policies that are drafted and advanced by a comparative few. And you would have never criticized Bush, had he offered the Iranians a New Years greeting. But such is your hypocrisy, you'll never confess to that.

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I think you've just described about half of the Comment writers here as far as hating Obama as if that were a policy solution to dealing with Iran; a country that has attacked no one in 300 years.

I also disagree with many of Obama's policies (i.e. 2nd Amendment) & the egregious double standard that exemplifies America's Mid East Policy in general.

However, there is far more to be gained by improved relations with Iran than War or additional, hypocritical sanctions over a nuclear program that is far more transparent than America's #1 aid recipient.


Many thanks





"One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
George Orwell, 1938
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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I think you've just described about half of the Comment writers here as far as hating Obama as if that were a policy solution to dealing with Iran; a country that has attacked no one in 300 years.

I also disagree with many of Obama's policies (i.e. 2nd Amendment) & the egregious double standard that exemplifies America's Mid East Policy in general.

However, there is far more to be gained by improved relations with Iran than War or additional, hypocritical sanctions over a nuclear program that is far more transparent than America's #1 aid recipient.


Many thanks





"One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
George Orwell, 1938

I agree, great Orwell quote too. I've not seen that before.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

The Council on Foreign Relations has advanced the argument that a nuclear weapon powered Iran would be a stabilizing factor in the region!

Cair is a hate group
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Why Iran Should Get the Bomb
Nuclear Balancing Would Mean Stability

Why Iran Should Get the Bomb - Council on Foreign Relations
W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)

Israel's regional nuclear monopoly, which has proved remarkably durable for the past four decades, has long fueled instability in the Middle East. In no other region of the world does a lone, unchecked nuclear state exist. It is Israel's nuclear arsenal, not Iran's desire for one, that has contributed most to the current crisis. Power, after all, begs to be balanced. What is surprising about the Israeli case is that it has taken so long for a potential balancer to emerge.
do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)


do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend



Yeah AT, some forget the Egyptians were speaking out about it.....another leader that doesn't think to highly of BO and his Team. Seems there is more of that going around.

Oh and when the Saud speak.....are they also doing so for the other Sunni states?
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Yeah AT, some forget the Egyptians were speaking out about it.....another leader that doesn't think to highly of BO and his Team. Seems there is more of that going around.

Oh and when the Saud speak.....are they also doing so for the other Sunni states?
all the Gulf states fall in line here too.
While internecine war has weakened the natural Sunni alliance, when it comes to Iran they all recognize it's ambitions.

SA is freaking out now with Yemen being supplied by Iranian weapons.

I have great admiration for el-Sisi, he's talked directly to the clerics and told them they are responcible for "radical Islam" (sic)
on his New Year's day speech ( the Prophet's B-day).

I'm sure you know about his ideas for a regional (ME) rapid response force
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Cair is a hate group


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1. You claimed that: "Cair is a hate group"

Who considers it a "Hate Group"?

There are many hypocritical & "Selectively Outraged" organizations that exploit the term "Hate Group" for Information sources they simply don't like but cannot refute.


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2. Did you read the article or research its author?
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)


do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend

I understand that you may not have seen it, but I've been clear from day one that I prefer global nuclear eradication. But posters at DP assure me we'll never see that. If that's the case, then we'll continue to see others go after them to balance out the power. I think that you have to understand that regardless of how you see it, If Iran decides to build nuclear weapons, it will be because they seek to balance Israel's (and others) power. And that's what the senior fellow at CFR is arguing. I'm not concerned about Iran, it's a beautiful country, that unfortunately for Iranians, is run by fundies. But not suicidal fundies, despite the claims we hear to the contrary. US policies in the ME for the last dozen years have been largely beneficial to Iran.

I will agree with you that we are now seeing a struggle for power and control of the middles east between Sunni and Shia. But I will point out that it is US policy, namely the removal of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad that has created the opportunity for this showdown.
 
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Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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1. You claimed that: "Cair is a hate group"

Who considers it a "Hate Group"?

There are many hypocritical & "Selectively Outraged" organizations that exploit the term "Hate Group" for Information sources they simply don't like but cannot refute.


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2. Did you read the article or research its author?

It's CAIR. It's like saying "Did you read that science article from the KKK??"

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

The first page of this thread is proof of just how far the Internet Right Wing has gone off the deep end.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I understand that you may not have seen it, but I've been clear from day one that I prefer global nuclear eradication. But posters at DP assure me we'll never see that. If that's the case, then we'll continue to see others go after them to balance out the power. I think that you have to understand that regardless of how you see it, If Iran decides to build nuclear weapons, it will be because they seek to balance Israel's (and others) power. And that's what the senior fellow at CFR is arguing. I'm not concerned about Iran, it's a beautiful country, that unfortunately for Iranians, is run by fundies. But not suicidal fundies, despite the claims we hear to the contrary. US policies in the ME for the last dozen years have been largely beneficial to Iran.
sure I agreea world without nukes would be better, but proliferation marches on. Once ( if ) Iran gets nukes, it's not going to stop with Israel and Iran.

I would imagine SA will just buy their from Pakistan, then Eqypt..etc.

I'm a great admirer of the Iranian people -I used to IM with a younger guy who told me things like the regime coming into a city block and just doing off the wall things like cutting down trees, or taking down billboards late at night.
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The next day nobody asked "why" they knew the regime did what it wanted, and one just better go on with their lives.
The people are great, but they do live in fear of the regime ( those not part of it)

I think that is the disconnect - the people used to be very westernized under the Shah, but ayatollah Khomeini is part of the
"reinterpretation" of Shiite clerics who no longer are concerned with Allah, but in pressing forth his (sic) agenda by governing
and perhaps much worse

( look at some of the links I posted on the last page -one needs a deep understanding of this from a religious p.o.v.
just like we need to understand ISII's motivations sacking the Mosul museum ,etc)


Anyways Monte...I don't really agree that Iran is interested in "balance of powers" - I think it's bent on regional hegemony.
Now they have been caught sending weapons to Yemen..why is that?
Because Yemen is SA's underbelly.

They are not a peaceful regime, they will fight ISIL in Iraq, and then colonize it.
This is their pattern, I'm concerned about nukes from that apocalyptic p.o.v., but I'm really worried
Iran is setting up proxies all over the ME,and that is a possible next flash point with the Sunni states.
 
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Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

That's great, but what connection have they with the CFR?

You quoted them... you brought them into this discussion.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

You quoted them... you brought them into this discussion.

I quoted the CFR, not CAIR!!!
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

This post is further evidence: the idea that anyone is proposing anything different. You don't want Iran to get a nuke, therefore Obama must want them to get a nuke! :roll:

Your continued whiny posts even about Democrats who see Obama's moves as insipid and naive are simply more proof that some will go to any lengths to defend this White Houses' stupidity and ideology. Congratulations!
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Iran is likely patronizing P5+1. The fatwa isn't new.

So, what are we negotiating for then? They don't have a nuclear program, according to Obama.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Your continued whiny posts even about Democrats who see Obama's moves as insipid and naive are simply more proof that some will go to any lengths to defend this White Houses' stupidity and ideology. Congratulations!

:roll:

Yeah, double down on the idea that that darn Obama wants Iran to have a nuke. Clearly you are the level-headed one here!
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

So, what are we negotiating for then? They don't have a nuclear program, according to Obama.

He said that?
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

So, what are we negotiating for then? They don't have a nuclear program, according to Obama.

They most certainly do have a nuclear program as acknowledged by Obama, and everybody else, including Iran. What they don't have as declared by both US and Israeli intelligence, is a nuclear weapon program, which is what the P5+1 seeks to ensure remains out of reach. Your hate of Obama has compromised any objectivity on this whatsoever.
 
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