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Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity[W:274]

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MMC said:
Yeah.....kind of hard to use those limited Arab History books to have a response for something off the cuff, huh Monte? :lol:
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Arab history books. Now what are you rambling about.
 
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face said:
More absolute nonsense, I would think it has more to do with their official state motto being "death to America and Israel", and the fact that they have perpetrated numerous acts of war against the US and Israel, oh and FYI the overwhelming majority of the international community has a problem with Iran, they are a true pariah state:

Sanctions against Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To put it mildly you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.
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mmc said:
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This I year turned down an invite from several of my friends, who are going to visit Iran in April. The three that are going are an American gay couple and an Iranian friend of mine.
I don't have the PTO, otherwise I'd gladly have gone, but I'm hitting up Australia / NZ and Eastern Europe this year. However I seriously entertained the thought and did the initial planning of the trip.

Unless you are Islamophobic, it is a perfectly wonderful country, which Americans are allowed to visit. I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater Iran, just as I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater that the Colombian guerrilla gangs own, but I do very much know what I'm talking about outside of your F.U.D.

a351 said:
None of them have repeatedly gone out of their way to attack US interests and their allies :shrug: It really is that simple.
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The Navy shot down and murdered 290 Iranian citizens on an Iran Air flight. Quite similar to what the Ukrainian separatists did. We've never once apologized, and only offered compensation once we were dragged into the International Court of Justice by Iran.

Iran's government has legitimate means to dislike the United States.
 
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brothern said:
This I year turned down an invite from several of my friends, who are going to visit Iran in April. The three that are going are an American gay couple and an Iranian friend of mine.
I don't have the PTO, otherwise I'd gladly have gone, because I'm hitting up Australia / NZ and Eastern Europe this year. However I seriously entertained the thought and did the initial planning of the trip.

Unless you are Islamophobic, it is a perfectly wonderful country, which Americans are allowed to visit. I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater Iran, just as I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater that the Colombian guerrilla gangs own, but I do very much know what I'm talking about outside of your F.U.D.


The Navy shot down and murdered 290 Iranian citizens on an Iran Air flight. Quite similar to what the Ukrainian separatists did. We've never once apologized, and only offered compensation once we were dragged into the International Court of Justice by Iran.

Iran's government has legitimate means to dislike the United States.
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Anyone who has traveled to Iran knows what a wonderful country it is. Most Americans don't make it over there and are easily frightened by an agenda driven government with corporate interests at stake. "Do we have to wait for the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud over a US city?"
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh for Christ's sake!!!!

The ability to make treaties, agreements, or even nonbinding handshakes with foreign leaders has long rested with the White House — sometimes, but not always, with the consent of the Senate. But exactly what type of deal they cut is often dictated by political realities in Washington. And presidents stretching back to George Washington himself have grumbled about Senate obstruction in
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That's just too damn bad. We have a Constitution to protect us from government grabbing power and other misbehavior. Obama doesn't like being restrained by the Constitution, he's made that clear.
 
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Anthony60 said:
That's just too damn bad. We have a Constitution to protect us from government grabbing power and other misbehavior. Obama doesn't like being restrained by the Constitution, he's made that clear.
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No presidents like being restrained by the constitution, at least one considered it a god damn piece of paper. I'm well aware of Obama's musings on aspects of the constitution. Throughout our countries history, whole groups of people have disagreed with aspects of our constitution, which is why it's had many amendments. The problem is with extra constitutional precedences set by presidents that go unchallenged by their supporters. Partisanship is the problem.
 
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brothern said:
I'm perfectly happy with the tact that Obama is taking with Iran.

The majority of the world is able to work perfectly decently with Iran. As a German, for example, you can fly into Iran and live and work at the Iranian branch of Siemens or Krupp without any Iranian or German ever thinking twice. It's a completely unremarkable situation, because believe it or not, Iran is a completely middle-of-the-road, 80 million pop country that falls into line with the expectations/problems we have with every other non-Western developing country.

America (and Israel) is the only odd one out here. No other countries have such bizarre trust issues with Iran, nor does Iran have such difficulty rest of the world, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have such a large number of Cowboy-diplomat, conservative jingoists who seem to want to level Iran every chance they get.
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Wow, you haven't got a clue. You are right on par with Obama. Just another run-of-the-mill country they are. Supporting terrorism, killing our soldiers in Iraq. Yeah, no big deal. Yep, let's get them off the terror list. And see what they do with nukes. Probably just for defense.
 
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brothern said:
The Navy shot down and murdered 290 Iranian citizens on an Iran Air flight.
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A killing has to be done with malicious intent to be murder. Are you claiming the captain of the Vincennes meant to fire that missile at an airliner? That would make him a war criminal, and by implication, would make the United States a nation that condones war crimes by its military.

Quite similar to what the Ukrainian separatists did.
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Baloney.

We've never once apologized,
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Why don't you write your president? He's usually eager to apologize for any alleged sin of the United States.

and only offered compensation once we were dragged into the International Court of Justice by Iran.
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The United States is governed by the laws of the United States, not by international kangaroo courts.

Iran's government has legitimate means to dislike the United States.
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I don't give a damn what those jihadist degenerates like or don't like. I look forward to the day when every last one of them is hanging by his heels.
 
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matchlight said:
A killing has to be done with malicious intent to be murder. Are you claiming the captain of the Vincennes meant to fire that missile at an airliner? That would make him a war criminal, and by implication, would make the United States a nation that condones war crimes by its military.



Baloney.



Why don't you write your president? He's usually eager to apologize for any alleged sin of the United States.



The United States is governed by the laws of the United States, not by international kangaroo courts.



I don't give a damn what those jihadist degenerates like or don't like. I look forward to the day when every last one of them is hanging by his heels.
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Few if any Americans have been convicted of their war crimes. Victors don't prosecute their own. As to the Iranian airliner that was targeted and shot down. Why would it be a "war crime" if it was intentional. Were we at war with Iran? Or are you referring to America's perpetual state of war?
 
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Montecresto said:
As to the Iranian airliner that was targeted and shot down. Why would it be a "war crime" if it was intentional.
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I do not accept your claim that "the Iranian airliner . . . was targeted." The Vincennes was firing at a radar image. I accept the statements of the captain that the ship's operations center, evaluating the speed, altitude, course, and location of that image, judged it to be that of an F-14, and that the aircraft's failure to respond to the ship's IFF signal to verify that it was friendly confirmed that judgment.

You must know that it is a grave violation of the laws of war, as codified in the Geneva Conventions--in other words, a war crime--for military forces intentionally to target civilians. You must also know that the laws of war can be violated, and often are, where no formal state of war exists. You are slandering the United States, as you have done more than once here before.
 
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polgara said:
It's not that the terrorists are unaware of how the civilized world conducts itself - they've got the internet and phones and all the modern conveniences other parts of the world have, so they know. They have chosen to follow an evil path instead, wantonly and openly killing fellow human beings in the most nightmarish ways a perverted mind can conceive. Rivers of blood are their legacy.

There can be no negotiating with fanatics like this - they must be stopped or this planet is doomed. There is no middle ground here that I can see. In medicine, a cancerous tumor is removed to allow life to continue. The civilized world is not always right in the things they do, but anyone who thinks a barbarian way of ruling, using cruelty and terror to subjugate people, is what we should follow is totally wrong and not acceptable. This is not the world of Genghis Khan any longer - most of humanity has moved on since then.
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Outstanding post. Im sick of these terrorists trying to get medieval on everyone else.
 
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brothern said:
The Navy shot down and murdered 290 Iranian citizens on an Iran Air flight. Quite similar to what the Ukrainian separatists did. We've never once apologized, and only offered compensation once we were dragged into the International Court of Justice by Iran.

Iran's government has legitimate means to dislike the United States.
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Get some context. Our forces in the area had been skirmishing for some time with both the Iraqi's and Iranians. On the day Iran Air flight 655 was shot down, the Vincennes had been attacked by Iranian gun boats (shooting at its helicopter) and was pursuing them. The passenger aircraft fit appeared to be an Iranian F14, and the Commander was told it was descending (as attack aircraft do).
Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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matchlight said:
I do not accept your claim that "the Iranian airliner . . . was targeted." The Vincennes was firing at a radar image. I accept the statements of the captain that the ship's operations center, evaluating the speed, altitude, course, and location of that image, judged it to be that of an F-14, and that the aircraft's failure to respond to the ship's IFF signal to verify that it was friendly confirmed that judgment.

You must know that it is a grave violation of the laws of war, as codified in the Geneva Conventions--in other words, a war crime--for military forces intentionally to target civilians. You must also know that the laws of war can be violated, and often are, where no formal state of war exists. You are slandering the United States, as you have done more than once here before.
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Yes, I'm aware of the Geneva conventions governing warfare. Were we at war with Iran when this plane was targeted and shot down. And if the captain had known it was a civilian vessel and was under higher orders to target it, do you think he'd be declaring that. Or do you think that he'd be saying he thought the Iranian passenger jet was an F-14?
 
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Montecresto said:
Arab history books. Now what are you rambling about.
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Just helpin your mantra with keepin it real, Monte. ;)
 
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MMC said:
Just helpin your mantra with keepin it real, Monte. ;)
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That doesn't explain your post.
 
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brothern said:
This I year turned down an invite from several of my friends, who are going to visit Iran in April. The three that are going are an American gay couple and an Iranian friend of mine.
I don't have the PTO, otherwise I'd gladly have gone, but I'm hitting up Australia / NZ and Eastern Europe this year. However I seriously entertained the thought and did the initial planning of the trip.

Unless you are Islamophobic, it is a perfectly wonderful country, which Americans are allowed to visit. I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater Iran, just as I wouldn't throw myself into the backwater that the Colombian guerrilla gangs own, but I do very much know what I'm talking about outside of your F.U.D..
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Oh.....there are still real Persians in Iran. With what you said doesn't change what Iran has been about and been doing.

Also, give up on the crystal ball routine when it concerns someone you don't know.
 
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Montecresto said:
That doesn't explain your post.
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It explains a lot when it comes to your Anti American Rhetoric. As others have already taken that notice. Consider it as part of you now.
 
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MMC said:
It explains a lot when it comes to your Anti American Rhetoric. As others have already taken that notice. Consider it as part of you now.
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You are consumed, obsessed even with with trashing the American president, his party and all his supporters daily, constantly, you probably dream about it. There's nothing more UNAMERICAN than a patronizing partisan that demonizes one side, and thinks his **** doesn't stink. And you my dear, own that!!!!
 
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MrVicchio said:
Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity' - NBC News

This is... the most insane thing I've ever heard or seen...
He really, REALLY believes he can just talk "sensibly" and everyone will fall in line...

Are you kidding me?
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Why do you say that? He is willing to deal. If they do a deal the Senate will accept, they have it. And he is right in two things. A lot of Persians like America and would like a deal. And for us it would be great to normalize the relationship.

Sorry to say, I don't believe I trust Obama to recognize a good deal.
 
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joG said:
Why do you say that? He is willing to deal. If they do a deal the Senate will accept, they have it. And he is right in two things. A lot of Persians like America and would like a deal. And for us it would be great to normalize the relationship.

Sorry to say, I don't believe I trust Obama to recognize a good deal.
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I don't understand why this is constantly framed as some Obama unilateral deal. If Cameron, Merkel, Putin, Jinping, Hollande and Obama thinks its a good deal, then other then the fact that we prevent Iranian nuclear weapons and another unnecessary middle eastern war, what do you object to?
 
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Montecresto said:
You are consumed, obsessed even with with trashing the American president, his party and all his supporters daily, constantly, you probably dream about it. There's nothing more UNAMERICAN than a patronizing partisan that demonizes one side, and thinks his **** doesn't stink. And you my dear, own that!!!!
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All politics are partisan except when they are bi partisan. You were already schooled on this. :roll:
 
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Montecresto said:
I don't understand why this is constantly framed as some Obama unilateral deal. If Cameron, Merkel, Putin, Jinping, Hollande and Obama thinks its a good deal, then other then the fact that we prevent Iranian nuclear weapons and another unnecessary middle eastern war, what do you object to?
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German public radio and BBC reported this morning that Kerry was to brief the other four on the state of negotiations this morning.
 
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MMC said:
All politics are partisan except when they are bi partisan. You were already schooled on this. :roll:
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No there not. Not to every one. There are independent thinkers who view issues on their merits rather than a parties ideology. Not everyone lines up and votes the party like you. But I'll concede that most do.
 
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joG said:
German public radio and BBC reported this morning that Kerry was to brief the other four on the state of negotiations this morning.
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Are you trying to suggest that the others aren't involved. Lol. Also, they all closed an interim deal in 2013, and they'll close this one too, if the obstructionists, the opponents of peace don't succeed in derailing it.
 
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Montecresto said:
Few if any Americans have been convicted of their war crimes. Victors don't prosecute their own. As to the Iranian airliner that was targeted and shot down. Why would it be a "war crime" if it was intentional. Were we at war with Iran? Or are you referring to America's perpetual state of war?
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From what I remember of that incident, they tried to warn off the aircraft and got no response. They couldn't identify it as a passenger plane, and that was after the USS Stark was hit by two Exocet missiles from an Iraqi jet during the Iran - Iraq war.
 
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joG said:
German public radio and BBC reported this morning that Kerry was to brief the other four on the state of negotiations this morning.
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Awesome! American hater John FU Kerry working for us. Isn't he the one that trashed our troops before Congress and also went to Nicaragua to make a deal with the communists, trying to undermine Reagan? Obama and Kerry, two America haters dealing with Iran, boy are we going to get our much deserved punishment when they are done.
 
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