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Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

He was not carrying a fake ID in apparently he passed the breathalyzer test that he was given.



"The Virginia ABC agents then forced Johnson to the ground, where they handcuffed him while “his face and skull [were] bleeding and needing surgery, all of this over two alleged offenses,” Watkins said."



bahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa this is why sfvbayview or whomever has no compentency.



they should have said he needed "major brain surgery" for that little cut!
 
I would as well. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but unlike other people, I'm not claiming to know what did happen.

And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.


I'd just like to see the beating that he got that resulted in 10 stitches. All of those people around on one of the busiest drinking nights of the year, and not one person got it on video?




One has a first amendment right, so, no it's not the same
 
One has a first amendment right, so, no it's not the same

I don't think I have a First Amendment right to walk into the center of Somerville, New Jersey and scream "You're ****ing racists" at the top of my lungs, am I? I would think I'd get arrested or told to stop at some point.
 
Ten stitches anywhere in the face isn't that many.

Apparently it's enough to need surgery, all of a sudden.

How come they didn't do surgery on my 15 year old when he fell and cut his head? Some stitches, a few pain pills, and we were on our way. I feel slighted.
 
I don't think I have a First Amendment right to walk into the center of Somerville, New Jersey and scream "You're ****ing racists" at the top of my lungs, am I? I would think I'd get arrested or told to stop at some point.



Sommerville? you stalking me? (I live near sommerville) lol

you might be asked to stop or get a fine for disturbing the peace, but if you are being manhandled by the man, yelling at him is actually protected speech unless you make a threat.
 
Sommerville? you stalking me? (I live near sommerville) lol

you might be asked to stop or get a fine for disturbing the peace, but if you are being manhandled by the man, yelling at him is actually protected speech unless you make a threat.

I know you live near there. You told me. I used to live in The Hills.

Disturbing the peace means you don't have a right to do it. Which is what I said. I believe there was something about his screaming in the charges that were levied against the guy (before he went to, um, surgery...).
 
A breathalyzer test showed that Johnson was not intoxicated at the time of his arrest, Martin said. He said the student ended up with 10 stitches, lacerations on his forehead, multiple bruises and facial swelling.

Beating of UVA student prompts call to disempower alcohol officers - News - 1330 WHBL Sheboygan's News Radio

I would be pissed too if I was being aressted for somthing I did not do. disturbing the peace is a charge they lay on you when they have nothing to stand on.
 
Beating of UVA student prompts call to disempower alcohol officers - News - 1330 WHBL Sheboygan's News Radio

I would be pissed too if I was being aressted for somthing I did not do. disturbing the peace is a charge they lay on you when they have nothing to stand on.

I have seen it referred to as a couple different ways like after he was refused, the officers "pulled him aside" i.e. odds are they came up and jerked him by the arm and he reacted to that so they put him on the ground face first. If ABC officers are watching the place, they need to be on the inside where the violations happen, not outside looking to ambush people.
 
I have seen it referred to as a couple different ways like after he was refused, the officers "pulled him aside" i.e. odds are they came up and jerked him by the arm and he reacted to that so they put him on the ground face first. If ABC officers are watching the place, they need to be on the inside where the violations happen, not outside looking to ambush people.

How do you know they weren't inside?
 
My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.

The evidence has been shown. The photo is evidence of excessive force.
 
And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

Because the first amendent says you can't insult police officers or they can beat you down.
 
Yeah the first admentment gives you the right to insult the police and not get beaten for it in the process
 
I think he got charged with obstruction of justice not disturbing the peace.

They listed two charges - one was 18.2-388, which reads in part - "If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public." The description only mentions public intoxication, but he apparently wasn't drunk.

The actual crime appears to be not showing proper respect to cops behaving like a$$holes. Thankfully they didn't shoot or taze him..... :roll:
 
The police and ABC are known to be abusive does not excuse their abuse. I saw one article that indicates the sidewalk was spattered with his blood. I saw cellphone video taken after they had him down on the concrete while still in the process of cuffing him in which others were already yelling about his head bleeding. It is not clear to me if his charges is related to being drunk or because he told the officers what they were doing is f-ing racist. Seems a pretty unnecessary use of force to me either way.

that's the problem, you only saw part of the story. You didn't see the part where, if the officer is being accurate, the issue really happened. If the guy was refusing to what he was being asked to do and got belligerent with the officer, then there's a good chance that he ended up in the state he was in out of his own stupidity. We need to KNOW the whole story form sources that are as objective and disinterested as possible in the situation. Instead we get bits and pieces from people who want a cause to get behind and, if past experiences show anything, are willing to lie just to stir crap up. Let's get all the facts and then decide what happened and if the officer was out of line.
 
They listed two charges - one was 18.2-388, which reads in part - "If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public." The description only mentions public intoxication, but he apparently wasn't drunk.

The actual crime appears to be not showing proper respect to cops behaving like a$$holes. Thankfully they didn't shoot or taze him..... :roll:

How do you know this??
 
If underage drinking (assuming that is what he was doing) warrants having your head busted against the pavement, what should be the punishment for white collar crimes? We don't need any judges and juries--we just need some God Fearing Police Officers to punish people with thousands in medical bills because the $25 fines are not keeping those people in their places.

You know some people just like to go to where the other people are without some nefarious intent. How dare a college student in a college town want to go into an Irish themed pub with St. Patty's Day upon us and all....

How do you know his head was busted against the pavement??? If he was resisting the officers, he may have very well gotten cut on any number of items, like the officer's handcuffs, a garbage can that next to them, his own watch. Show me something that shows just how his head got cut.
 
I don't think I have a First Amendment right to walk into the center of Somerville, New Jersey and scream "You're ****ing racists" at the top of my lungs, am I? I would think I'd get arrested or told to stop at some point.

Actually you do. Assuming you don't violate noise ordinances.

As to the cops if they can't calmly handle a kid cursing them they need to find a different line of work.
 
First I think the kid was of age and had a valid ID. Even if he didn't underage kids sneaking into bars is as old as drinking age laws. BFD. There's no reason it should have escalated. There's no reason for the heavy hand of the law here.
 
No video of the beating has been posted, as of yet. However, I have seen the pictures which I have posted below of what he looked like and during the event.
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Pathetic. Find a pic that makes him look as sweet and innocent as possible and then juxtapose it against the image of him bleeding.
 
How do you know this??

I don't know this, which is why I said it "appears to be" not showing the proper respect. He (apparently) wasn't drunk, wasn't using a fake ID, wasn't charged with using or threatening any force against the cops, but was bloodied and arrested and charged with BS crimes.
 
I too like to see this beatting, however, from the wounds I would wonder what caused that severe of an injury that looks like a serious head wound from the blood splatter on his head. :shock:

Head wounds bleed a LOT. I accidentally hit myself in forehead with the claw end of a hammer (working overhead trying to pry out a twisted piece of blocking from between two purlins) and had that much blood running down my face and needed NO stitches.
 
Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. :shock: I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.

That's what I can't believe either. I would bet money that there is a cell phone video of the whole incident that shows what really happened. So the question is" "Why isn't it getting released?" Is there some kid who's hoping to paid for it?? Is there someone who wants to see this get blown up and hates LE (as a lot of college age people do) and simply decided to delete it so that they can join the protest?? I'd like to get some answers to this.
 
Pathetic. Find a pic that makes him look as sweet and innocent as possible and then juxtapose it against the image of him bleeding.

The problem for the police in this case is he actually WAS an honor student, and on the honor committee (which is a very high post for a student at UVa that reflects directly on his overall character), and otherwise a respected student leader with no history of anything like this.
 
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