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Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

Fearandloathing said:
I really don't give a ****.


Frankly I'm tired of hearing justifications for beating the **** out of people, constant race arguments and then having my country slagged...

Our police don't beat people up for trying to get into a pub, or for words spoken. We may be a third world **** pile in the minds of Americans but we at least live without fear of being beaten up by cops.
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There's no evidence of anyone being beaten. A knee jerk reaction saying "I'm sick of hearing justification for beating the **** out of people" isn't fact based but emotional based. There are no facts supporting anyone was beaten. There are no facts that this was racially motivated.
 
Ockham said:
There is no evidence he was "beaten" so that's misinformation. Yes ABC has past issues when they have gone overboard on arrests ... however you must make the case that because they have had past issues that in THIS case, it also was overboard. You have not done so.

He is getting due process and will get that due process in court. What he should NOT be getting is a free pass based on fictional accusations of "racism" which did not occur. The facts are the facts as I laid out in the OP. His injury was of his own making unless otherwise proven and that hasn't happened yet.

Please post the video of the ABC officers "beating" him. It's not in the video nor the OP story which was posted so far.
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Every video I've seen is of him already on the ground bleeding, screaming at the cops calling them "****ing racists" and telling them he goes to UVA, while they're pinning him down. He's not bleeding because of that.

Has anyone posted the video of this beating he got from the cops that caused the bleeding?
 
tres borrachos said:
Has anyone posted the video of this beating he got from the cops that caused the bleeding?
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Exactly - I'd be very interested to see the video of the cops beating Johnson.
 
Ockham said:
Agree that more information is needed - but there are already charges of "racism" and "beating" in this very thread where no facts exist of such things. The injury may have occurred due to Johnson's intoxication level and if he fought the police, they may or may not have initially charged him with resisting arrest as the DA can add charges well after initial arrest. I'm sure they are being cautious due to the national publicity and charges of "racism" by Johnson himself.
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It's also true "no facts exist" of the cops behaving appropriately. Somehow a person showing a legitimate ID at a bar ends up with 10 stitches. He's an honor student and on the honor committee. That's not the background of a common thug. They didn't charge him with fighting the police or using any force, which until they DO add charges is evidence his resistance was he talked back to cops while they were doing a BS arrest of at worst a drunk college student on a night when half the people on the streets that night were drunk - 100s, perhaps thousands of drunk students.

It never ceases to amaze me how the people who claim to distrust the 'state' and the exercise of state power rush to the defense of the police 'state.'
 
No video of the beating has been posted, as of yet. However, I have seen the pictures which I have posted below of what he looked like and during the event.
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Ockham said:
Exactly - I'd be very interested to see the video of the cops beating Johnson.
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I would as well. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but unlike other people, I'm not claiming to know what did happen.

And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

I'd just like to see the beating that he got that resulted in 10 stitches. All of those people around on one of the busiest drinking nights of the year, and not one person got it on video?
 
Ryriena said:
No video of the beating has been posted, as of yet. However, I have seen the pictures which I have posted below of what he looked like and during the event .
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I'm confused why the right brain always opposes investigations into possible police excess. Although, they oppose all forms of regulation, accountability, restrictions, anything that's in place to protect the average American, they oppose. So never mind, I un confused myself.
 
I too like to see this beatting, however, from the wounds I would wonder what caused that severe of an injury that looks like a serious head wound from the blood splatter on his head. :shock:
 
JasperL said:
It's also true "no facts exist" of the cops behaving appropriately.
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From what video is provided, and the fact that Johnson was not tazed or shot I think you're incorrect.
JasperL said:
Somehow a person showing a legitimate ID at a bar ends up with 10 stitches.
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The circumstances as to how he got that injury are still to be discussed. The accusations he was "beaten" are outright lies given the evidence that's available.

JasperL said:
He's an honor student and on the honor committee.
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Irrelevant what kind of student or committee he belongs to.

JasperL said:
That's not the background of a common thug. They didn't charge him with fighting the police or using any force, which until they DO add charges is evidence his resistance was he talked back to cops while they were doing a BS arrest of at worst a drunk college student on a night when half the people on the streets that night were drunk - 100s, perhaps thousands of drunk students.
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A person who is drunk, resisting police and getting belligerent will be restrained for their own safety and the police's safety as well. It's common procedure and perfectly legal. Again, stupid is as stupid does. The accusations of "beatings" and "racism" is BS and unless there is more evidence showing such things occur, it will simply be more racial tension hype with no substance.

JasperL said:
It never ceases to amaze me how the people who claim to distrust the 'state' and the exercise of state power rush to the defense of the police 'state.'
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Unlike many, I do not hate the state in all cases just because I have libertarian leanings. I DO however, judge cases on their own merit .... it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people are of libertarian views.
 
I know I was just posting what's been showed on news sites and stuff. They haven't posted the actual beating.
 
tres borrachos said:
I would as well. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but unlike other people, I'm not claiming to know what did happen.

And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

I'd just like to see the beating that he got that resulted in 10 stitches. All of those people around on one of the busiest drinking nights of the year, and not one person got it on video?
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If he was drunk, and had a cut on his head that only required 10 stitches, he'd bleed alot. lol


The reality of this is if there it no video, it's he said. she said.
 



Note the calmness on the cops, no animosity showing, and ignoring the "racists" insults. Given watching them here, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the drunk d00d, probably got himself into trouble.

10 stitches is nothing.
 
tres borrachos said:
I would as well. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but unlike other people, I'm not claiming to know what did happen.

And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

I'd just like to see the beating that he got that resulted in 10 stitches. All of those people around on one of the busiest drinking nights of the year, and not one person got it on video?
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My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.
 
Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. :shock: I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
If he was drunk, and had a cut on his head that only required 10 stitches, he'd bleed alot. lol


The reality of this is if there it no video, it's he said. she said.
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The head bleeds a lot. One of my kids tripped in an Agway last month and hit his head on a shelf. I thought Charles Manson had gotten loose. He needed 7 stitches, and I haven't seen such bleeding since the last time I saw Dawn Of The Dead. My other kids get have had quite a few head stitches because of hockey. And they also bleed a lot.

But you're right about "he said she said". That's all this is right now. I'm still curious why there is no vide of the actual beating, unless someone is holding out for the right offer from Current Affair.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:



Note the calmness on the cops, no animosity showing, and ignoring the "racists" insults. Given watching them here, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the drunk d00d, probably got himself into trouble.

10 stitches is nothing.
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Yup, I saw that one too. I've seen a few, from different angles, and that's what they all look like. There's no beating there.

Did they run a blood alcohol test on him? I haven't seen that anywhere yet either.
 
Ockham said:
My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.
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That could be entirely possible. His screaming at the cops and calling him "****ing racists" is really obnoxious. I can't believe how calm they remained when he did that.
 
Ockham said:
From what video is provided, and the fact that Johnson was not tazed or shot I think you're incorrect.
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Classic - too bad we don't have an "authoritarian" lean option, because it's only an authoritarian who would cite NOT being tazed or shot :shock: as some kind of evidence of cops behaving appropriately.

The circumstances as to how he got that injury are still to be discussed. The accusations he was "beaten" are outright lies given the evidence that's available.
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The circumstances as to how he got that injury are what we're discussing - he showed a valid ID, and wasn't charged with using force against the police. Somehow he ended up with 10 stitches. That he might not have been "beaten" are irrelevant. Their use of force caused that injury.

Irrelevant what kind of student or committee he belongs to.
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Oh, right, it's irrelevant unless the person has a record, then we can damn him based on his past, but when the record shows he's unlikely to be the kind of person to take on the police for no reason, we can disregard that and assume the cops acted entirely appropriately. Got it.

A person who is drunk, resisting police and getting belligerent will be restrained for their own safety and the police's safety as well. It's common procedure and perfectly legal. Again, stupid is as stupid does. The accusations of "beatings" and "racism" is BS and unless there is more evidence showing such things occur, it will simply be more racial tension hype with no substance.
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The resisting police and belligerence are allegations. We don't have any belligerence on tape, unless that includes protesting what the kid believed was a BS arrest.

Unlike many, I do not hate the state in all cases just because I have libertarian leanings. I DO however, judge cases on their own merit .... it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people are of libertarian views.
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It's not that you don't "hate the state in all cases." But in this case you're going out of your way to give the benefit of the doubt to the police state. And, unbelievably for a conservative/libertarian, claiming that he wasn't SHOT means the police were properly trained!!! Seriously - that's insane. They didn't even charge him with using any force while "obstructing justice." They didn't charge him with using a fake ID. He did nothing wrong, and you're defending idiots who escalated what should have been a kid being turned away and going about the rest of his night into a bloody arrest. At a minimum, the bar you expect the police state to meet is so low as to be nearly non-existent. That's a very odd view for someone who otherwise distrusts the exercise of state power.
 
Ryriena said:
Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. :shock: I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.
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Ten stitches anywhere in the face isn't that many.
 
From the San Francisco bay news paper http://http://sfbayview.com/2015/03/visiously-beaten-university-of-virginia-honor-student-martese-johnson-did-not-have-a-fake-id-attorney-says/

Johnson was standing near the Trinity Irish Pub around 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, Watkins said, when “an employee of the establishment approached him and asked for his license.”

The employee quizzed Johnson about his zip code, and Johnson provided his mother’s current zip code, Watkins said. The number is different from the one listed on his current Illinois license. Watkins said that at that point, Virginia ABC agents questioned Johnson about being in possession of false identification.

Johnson is originally from Chicago, where his mother still lives. He was never in possession of a fake ID, Watkins said.

The Virginia ABC agents then forced Johnson to the ground, where they handcuffed him while “his face and skull [were] bleeding and needing surgery, all of this over two alleged offenses,” Watkins said.
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He was not carrying a fake ID in apparently he passed the breathalyzer test that he was given.
 
Ryriena said:
Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. :shock: I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.
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head bleeds alot. more so if you are drunk
 
tres borrachos said:
And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.
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Actually yes, being a student at UVA does give him much more of a right to scream whatever he wants than a cop has the right to beat someone. I'm just defending his freedom of speech though.
 
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