Netanyahu poised for 3rd straight term Israel PM after rival concedes[W:350:384]

Slyfox696 said:

I wasn't even addressing that to you. Good grief, do you not understand how quoting works?

Oh, and as for where I got it...just read Travis007 response. Which, of course, you already did because you liked it. So it's REALLY funny that you're still asking where I get that from, even though I was asking a legitimate question to someone who wasn't you.

I already answered it. It's not my fault you didn't bother to read it and it's certainly not my fault you don't understand how quoting works.
Aww, that's cute. You won't answer the questions, but instead decide to do EXACTLY what I've already noted, except to an even greater extreme. Now, according to your post, one doesn't even have to criticize Israel to be called someone practicing "jew hate", they merely have to ask why you can't criticize Israel.

I could not have made my own point better. Thank you for clearly defining my point. Have yourself a great day.
No it's not, unless you consider salient points ironic. Which isn't really the definition of irony, but I've seen you make up your own definitions of things so often it wouldn't surprise me to see you do it again.
Amusing, but your deflection is too apparent.

It's not your "values" which lead you to the conclusion it's okay to criticize one and not another. It's your politics. You're doing nothing more than toeing a party platform.

A person with TRUE values, not influenced by childish partisanship, would say it's okay to criticize ANY government leader.

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Or they would say you show respect to every government leader. But not you. You say it's okay to criticize one but not another. Cloaking your obvious choice of distinction under the term "value system" doesn't change what you actually use to determine who can be criticized and who cannot.
That sounds downright unpatriotic to me.


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...you're right guys, obviously the idea it's okay to insult our President and not the right wing leader of Israel has NOTHING to do with partisan politics. Not at all. :roll:

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polgara said:

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

Gaza cannot negotiate any agreement because of their divided government, so that option is off the table, and they have not kept their word in the past anyway, so no one expects them to do so now.

Israel has been a target of hatred since they were given their worthless bit of land by the UN 60 years ago - they didn't choose it, but accepted what was offered - and they have become an object of envy from their Arab neighbors because of their hard work to make it a decent place to live. The others might try some hard work to do the same for their countries instead of using terrorist bullying to get their way.

Iran has said they would like to see Israel disappear off the face of the map, and their current goal of having nuclear power to "provide electricity for their country" may be true, but it may also only be a part of the real story. No one trusts Iran, and several Arab countries have now sided with Israel in keeping Iran from going forward with their plans, including Saudi Arabia. Even the UN has stated they are against Iran becoming a nuclear power.

Israel lives with missiles being fired at them on a regular basis. Yes, they also bomb Iranian underground facilities from time to time to delay them in going nuclear - and I can't fault them for that. Hell, we'd do the same thing, or worse, if it were happening to us, and you know it. They are careful not to harm civilians since they understand it's not their fault their government is nuts! You talk about Israel violating another country's sovereignty - if any country is doing that Iran certainly qualifies every time they fire missiles at Israel to kill civilians and destroy infrastructure!

I'm trying to be fair in placing blame, but every US President from the time Israel became a State has gone on record publicly stating that Israel is an trusted ally - Democrat as well as Republican - until Obama! Personal feelings should never override statesmanship, but it's happening now. Why? Iran has also stated that we are "the great Satan," and that is a fact. All of a sudden they want to be our friend - on their terms of course - and you don't see that as suspicious? Will we decide to give them a chance to show they can keep their word? No room for a loud "oops" to be said later, though, if we are wrong. My opinion as I see things at the present time.....

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Sherman123 said:

I'm a fairly consistent supporter of Israel and Netanyahu's re-election is deeply disappointing to me.

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Montecresto said:

Good morning Polgara. Iran has stated that they would like to see the Israeli regime wiped out. Something the US actually makes a practice of doing. I don't think that you realize how many of us Americans have been waiting for a president to hold Israel accountable, and frankly appreciate Obama's hard line on Israel, despite the fact it doesn't go far enough. But hey, you have to start somewhere. While support for Israel is still insanely high in the US, it's been ever so slowly waning, and I'll take that progress to. Perhaps someday, the US gets out of the business of covering for Israeli crimes and one day we see binding resolutions against them!

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bubbabgone said:

Those Countries are already against you.

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LowDown said:

On that day America won't be worth a bucket of spit, so it will finally have come down to the level of people who spit on their democratic allies and fête primative tribal fascist violent goons and thugs.

Find the world's violent wars and conflicts on a map and you will have found Arab/Muslim aggressors. The Arab-Israeli conflict is just one example of over 2 dozen.

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Fenton said:

You're not alone.

The Obama's are pretty upset too.

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Mr. Invisible said:

Really? I'm making stuff up now? The Ayatollah actively supports the talks. Hardliners in both the US and Iran do not support talks. (Generally speaking.)

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flogger said:

Yes and who's lopsided foreign policy in the region got them that way ?

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Fletch said:

The Ayatollah is a hardliner. That's not arguable. Nor is it arguable that his decision on the matter is the only one that counts. Please name for me the hardliners in Iran that oppose the Ayatollah on this issue. (or any other)

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bubbabgone said:

You don't care much for Israel, do you.

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Montecresto said:

Good morning Polgara. Iran has stated that they would like to see the Israeli regime wiped out. Something the US actually makes a practice of doing. I don't think that you realize how many of us Americans have been waiting for a president to hold Israel accountable, and frankly appreciate Obama's hard line on Israel, despite the fact it doesn't go far enough. But hey, you have to start somewhere. While support for Israel is still insanely high in the US, it's been ever so slowly waning, and I'll take that progress to. Perhaps someday, the US gets out of the business of covering for Israeli crimes and one day we see binding resolutions against them!

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polgara said:

The Israeli regime has had the same thinking since they became a State - different people over the years, but same thought remains. They aren't forcing any Arab countries to think the way they do - they just want to be left alone to practice their Jewish religion, and to my knowledge no US President until Obama has felt that's a problem, or they would not have been referred to as an ally and "good friend" over the past 60 years.

I'm all in favor of the US staying out of places that are none of our business, no matter where they are! I'm not isolationist, but the ME has been fighting this Sunni vs Shia vs Wahabism, etc, religious war for 1,300 years, and that is not going to change for the next 1,300 years no matter what we think about it. It can't, because their religion and state policy are one and the same thing, and everyone involved believes they're right. And some people criticize religious zealots in the US? Are Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostals etc killing each other in the name of religion like the idiots in the ME are? Thou shall not kill, (or commit murder as it is currently stated) is a strong injunction, and our laws uphold that thinking, thankfully. I never once believed that you might advocate joining the group that wants to see Israel disappear, and I still don't, but why your dislike for the Jewish nation of Israel? To many people, it looks like they're just defending themselves against aggressors who just plain don't agree with their beliefs.

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Montecresto said:

Except that's not all that Israel wants. I will agree with you that since their inception, all administrations have advanced the same oppressive policies against the Palestinians and their neighbors. Yes, to many people it looks like Israel is just defending themselves, and to many others they are obnoxious and belligerent. And that's hard to like.

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Montecresto said:

Good morning Polgara. Iran has stated that they would like to see the Israeli regime wiped out. Something the US actually makes a practice of doing. I don't think that you realize how many of us Americans have been waiting for a president to hold Israel accountable, and frankly appreciate Obama's hard line on Israel, despite the fact it doesn't go far enough. But hey, you have to start somewhere. While support for Israel is still insanely high in the US, it's been ever so slowly waning, and I'll take that progress to. Perhaps someday, the US gets out of the business of covering for Israeli crimes and one day we see binding resolutions against them!

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On 22 September 2012, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would soon break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumor."[118]

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Fearandloathing said:

All president's until this thinned skinned chile have seen the best interests of the United States over their personal interests....and most of them develop respectful relationships with adversaries. Hell, Nixon and Trudeau HATED each other, but they were among the most peaceful times between our two countries. Reagan respected Brezhnev as did Carter before him.

Obama seems to take everything personal and reacts accordingly. The White House release yesterday saying Netanyahu won by resorting to racism was cheap and churlish, a last kick at it after having been humiliated interfering in Israel's elections.

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polgara said:

Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

When did Israel become racist? Any Jew on this planet is welcome to come and live in Israel, no matter what color they are or what nationality they are - and they have come from all over the world. So where is the racism? The people voted, the opposition conceded the overwhelming results which made Netanyahu the clear winner, and nothing Obama has to say will change that. Sometimes it is better to remain silent....

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Montecresto said:

Except that's not all that Israel wants. I will agree with you that since their inception, all administrations have advanced the same oppressive policies against the Palestinians and their neighbors. Yes, to many people it looks like Israel is just defending themselves, and to many others they are obnoxious and belligerent. And that's hard to like.

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polgara said:

I found it noteworthy that before he gave his speech here to the House, Netanyahu took time to give Obama many kudos and kind words. I think he was attempting to show everyone listening around the world that this was a policy disagreement, and nothing personal. So Obama responds by making the Israeli election personal by calling Israel "racist?" Who looks like the Statesman in this case?

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polgara said:

I found it noteworthy that before he gave his speech here to the House, Netanyahu took time to give Obama many kudos and kind words. I think he was attempting to show everyone listening around the world that this was a policy disagreement, and nothing personal. So Obama responds by making the Israeli election personal by calling Israel "racist?" Who looks like the Statesman in this case?

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Ockham said:

Obama and his WH are far too thin skinned, which is why he and his cronies are so bad at what they do.

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Montecresto said:

Better get use to it, slowly but surely people are onto Israel. And they're going to have to learn to play nice, or eventually things won't be going well for them.

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Fearandloathing said:

Remove the warm and fuzzy, likeability and I see an angry "Odie" from Garfield, leaping like lightening at every provocation.

What confuses me is that the Republicans are too stupid to make that an advantage...wave more red flags at him. Based on this "stupid" they could have been having a field day being Garfield.

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polgara said:

You know, it could be a lesson learned from past dealings - never fall for the red flag being waved cause it's a trap. That's how bulls in bullfights lose every time! :lamo: Is it possible that they have made the connection and acknowledge that 2 + 2 most likely will equal 4, and decided to ignore it, leaving the toreador standing out there all alone, wondering why it didn't work this time? :shock:

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