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Netanyahu poised for 3rd straight term Israel PM after rival concedes[W:350:384]

Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Thats not any kind of answer
thats just a dodge
:roll:

Israel is not America's responsibility, why do you seem programmed to automatically and unquestioningly think that it is ?

No, this is a dodge ...

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And these are newspapers ...

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Pick one up and read it sometime.

Since you won't do it I'll tell you that, in short, it's about having an ally who is surrounded by Countries that want to eliminate it ... and those same Countries want to eliminate yours and mine.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No, this is a dodge ...

th


And these are newspapers ...

th


Pick one up and read it sometime.

Since you won't do it I'll tell you that, in short, it's about having an ally who is surrounded by Countries that want to eliminate it ... and those same Countries want to eliminate yours and mine.

And Netanyahu just upped the anti by taking the two state solution off the table. Much of the world views Gaza as a prison camp, the ongoing settlement expansions are illegal, nearly a hundred non binding (only because of continued protection from the US) resolutions have been passed against Israel, and every time Israel gets into a spat with its neighbors, it vastly overreacts and kills a disproportionate amount of civilians, not to mention the destruction of infrastructure, they violate the sovereignty of their neighbors regularly, in the case of Iran, assassinating civilian scientists, a violation of international law, in other cases, bombing runs to destroy nuclear programs because they might become weapons programs. Israeli provocations cause people to not like them.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Do you claim that people who criticize Israeli leaders are anti-Israel? Because that's the point. If criticizing Israeli leaders means someone is anti-Israel, would it not stand to reason that criticizing our American leader would make one anti-American?
Sure they have, if not explicitly, then certainly implicitly. The post I quoted earlier is an example, amongst any others.

No I didn't say that. You quoted what I said. I criticized our analogy.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

do you ever not straw man?

Where the **** have I ever suggested that and where the **** did you get it?
I wasn't even addressing that to you. Good grief, do you not understand how quoting works?

Oh, and as for where I got it...just read Travis007 response. Which, of course, you already did because you liked it. So it's REALLY funny that you're still asking where I get that from, even though I was asking a legitimate question to someone who wasn't you.

Can you answer the post instead of deflecting...for once.
I already answered it. It's not my fault you didn't bother to read it and it's certainly not my fault you don't understand how quoting works.
what protocal? are you talking about our tax dollars going to support some lefty in Israel with Obama operatives on the ground busing in votes against Bibil I agree thats a REAL PROTOCAL BREACH..are you too partisasn to see that.. as you accuse others of "just being partisans"? the irony is over the top
to be clear I dont care what you "mind" as your posts are always slanted in a left wing whack Code Pink way ...so your posts to me are just cryptic jew hate as always..you couch them cutely thinking you are "sly".. but I think many see through them...

what is your complaint with Bibi.. say it.. stop the nonsense..
Aww, that's cute. You won't answer the questions, but instead decide to do EXACTLY what I've already noted, except to an even greater extreme. Now, according to your post, one doesn't even have to criticize Israel to be called someone practicing "jew hate", they merely have to ask why you can't criticize Israel.

I could not have made my own point better. Thank you for clearly defining my point. Have yourself a great day.
This post is full of irony. Chalk full.
No it's not, unless you consider salient points ironic. Which isn't really the definition of irony, but I've seen you make up your own definitions of things so often it wouldn't surprise me to see you do it again.
There are those word games that distinguish you ... and have exposed you ... I said "value system" and YOU associated that with politics.
Now THAT's disturbing ... and revealing.
Amusing, but your deflection is too apparent.

It's not your "values" which lead you to the conclusion it's okay to criticize one and not another. It's your politics. You're doing nothing more than toeing a party platform.

A person with TRUE values, not influenced by childish partisanship, would say it's okay to criticize ANY government leader. Or they would say you show respect to every government leader. But not you. You say it's okay to criticize one but not another. Cloaking your obvious choice of distinction under the term "value system" doesn't change what you actually use to determine who can be criticized and who cannot.
At the present time with Barack "Hussein" Obama in office.....YES!
That sounds downright unpatriotic to me.


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Travis007
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...you're right guys, obviously the idea it's okay to insult our President and not the right wing leader of Israel has NOTHING to do with partisan politics. Not at all. :roll:
 
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Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No I didn't say that.
Then you're free of the criticism I'm discussing.

What I take issue with is the idea that criticizing a leader of a foreign country makes one anti that country, even as those very same people who take umbrage at the idea of foreign leader criticism seem to be the first to level the most hateful remarks about our leader. So my question was that if criticizing Israeli leaders makes one anti-Israel, does that mean criticizing our American leader makes one anti-America?

My point is fairly obvious, which is that people who seem to take the greatest offense about criticism of Netanyahu are generally just partisan hacks, who don't really care about the fact they are our "ally", they just seem the opportunity for childish partisan attacks. But it disturbs me a little to see the alliance of some of these people is seemingly greater towards leaders of foreign countries than the leader of our own country.

I don't care who the President is or from what party he comes. I may not agree with what the President does, but he is still our President and our greatest loyalty should always remain with our country and our leaders. Sometimes I think partisan hacks get so caught up in their partisanship, they tend to forget which side they truly are on.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So no answer to the question? You defend Obama and the question is why do you ignore his record, his lack of leadership, his arrogance, and his American Idol mentality? What is it about Obama that creates people like you and that loyalty? I defended Bush because of the actual record, not the trumped up one.

Obama is more knowledgeable about college basketball than he is the machinations of his own administration.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm a fairly consistent supporter of Israel and Netanyahu's re-election is deeply disappointing to me.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm a fairly consistent supporter of Israel and Netanyahu's re-election is deeply disappointing to me.

What do you think the Arab nations responsibilities are in regards to Israel? How about changing the Hamas Charter? How about stopping the missiles from being launched into Gaza? Seems like the onus is always on Israel when the Arab states are doing very little to recognize Israel's right to exist.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I wasn't even addressing that to you. Good grief, do you not understand how quoting works?

Oh, and as for where I got it...just read Travis007 response. Which, of course, you already did because you liked it. So it's REALLY funny that you're still asking where I get that from, even though I was asking a legitimate question to someone who wasn't you.

I already answered it. It's not my fault you didn't bother to read it and it's certainly not my fault you don't understand how quoting works.
Aww, that's cute. You won't answer the questions, but instead decide to do EXACTLY what I've already noted, except to an even greater extreme. Now, according to your post, one doesn't even have to criticize Israel to be called someone practicing "jew hate", they merely have to ask why you can't criticize Israel.

I could not have made my own point better. Thank you for clearly defining my point. Have yourself a great day.
No it's not, unless you consider salient points ironic. Which isn't really the definition of irony, but I've seen you make up your own definitions of things so often it wouldn't surprise me to see you do it again.
Amusing, but your deflection is too apparent.

It's not your "values" which lead you to the conclusion it's okay to criticize one and not another. It's your politics. You're doing nothing more than toeing a party platform.

A person with TRUE values, not influenced by childish partisanship, would say it's okay to criticize ANY government leader. Or they would say you show respect to every government leader. But not you. You say it's okay to criticize one but not another. Cloaking your obvious choice of distinction under the term "value system" doesn't change what you actually use to determine who can be criticized and who cannot.
That sounds downright unpatriotic to me.


Fearandloathing
Travis007
US Conservative
bubbabgone
ObamacareFail


...you're right guys, obviously the idea it's okay to insult our President and not the right wing leader of Israel has NOTHING to do with partisan politics. Not at all. :roll:


enough.. what is your issue with Bibi.. stop the hiding behind youre endless posts of drivvle..

I think we all know your angle and you still think youre "too sly"... lol
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm a fairly consistent supporter of Israel and Netanyahu's re-election is deeply disappointing to me.

why... ? you want Isreal destroyed or you think the " Barak Herzog" would be a deterent to being attacked?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Then you're free of the criticism I'm discussing.

What I take issue with is the idea that criticizing a leader of a foreign country makes one anti that country, even as those very same people who take umbrage at the idea of foreign leader criticism seem to be the first to level the most hateful remarks about our leader. So my question was that if criticizing Israeli leaders makes one anti-Israel, does that mean criticizing our American leader makes one anti-America?

My point is fairly obvious, which is that people who seem to take the greatest offense about criticism of Netanyahu are generally just partisan hacks, who don't really care about the fact they are our "ally", they just seem the opportunity for childish partisan attacks. But it disturbs me a little to see the alliance of some of these people is seemingly greater towards leaders of foreign countries than the leader of our own country.

I don't care who the President is or from what party he comes. I may not agree with what the President does, but he is still our President and our greatest loyalty should always remain with our country and our leaders. Sometimes I think partisan hacks get so caught up in their partisanship, they tend to forget which side they truly are on.

again... you got a an issue with Bibi.. state what it is!!! and why you think electing "Obamas puppet" in Israel would help the nation of Israels survival...
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Obama is more knowledgeable about college basketball than he is the machinations of his own administration.

Bro.... Obama aint knowledgable about anything but being a Socialist Radical race baiter.. he doest know basketball either...
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Bro.... Obama aint knowledgable about anything but being a Socialist Radical race baiter.. he doest know basketball either...

I said MORE knowledgeable, not knowledgeable. :)
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I said MORE knowledgeable, not knowledgeable. :)

: ) I see...and you are correct...
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

And Netanyahu just upped the anti by taking the two state solution off the table. Much of the world views Gaza as a prison camp, the ongoing settlement expansions are illegal, nearly a hundred non binding (only because of continued protection from the US) resolutions have been passed against Israel, and every time Israel gets into a spat with its neighbors, it vastly overreacts and kills a disproportionate amount of civilians, not to mention the destruction of infrastructure, they violate the sovereignty of their neighbors regularly, in the case of Iran, assassinating civilian scientists, a violation of international law, in other cases, bombing runs to destroy nuclear programs because they might become weapons programs. Israeli provocations cause people to not like them.

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

Gaza cannot negotiate any agreement because of their divided government, so that option is off the table, and they have not kept their word in the past anyway, so no one expects them to do so now.

Israel has been a target of hatred since they were given their worthless bit of land by the UN 60 years ago - they didn't choose it, but accepted what was offered - and they have become an object of envy from their Arab neighbors because of their hard work to make it a decent place to live. The others might try some hard work to do the same for their countries instead of using terrorist bullying to get their way.

Iran has said they would like to see Israel disappear off the face of the map, and their current goal of having nuclear power to "provide electricity for their country" may be true, but it may also only be a part of the real story. No one trusts Iran, and several Arab countries have now sided with Israel in keeping Iran from going forward with their plans, including Saudi Arabia. Even the UN has stated they are against Iran becoming a nuclear power.

Israel lives with missiles being fired at them on a regular basis. Yes, they also bomb Iranian underground facilities from time to time to delay them in going nuclear - and I can't fault them for that. Hell, we'd do the same thing, or worse, if it were happening to us, and you know it. They are careful not to harm civilians since they understand it's not their fault their government is nuts! You talk about Israel violating another country's sovereignty - if any country is doing that Iran certainly qualifies every time they fire missiles at Israel to kill civilians and destroy infrastructure!

I'm trying to be fair in placing blame, but every US President from the time Israel became a State has gone on record publicly stating that Israel is an trusted ally - Democrat as well as Republican - until Obama! Personal feelings should never override statesmanship, but it's happening now. Why? Iran has also stated that we are "the great Satan," and that is a fact. All of a sudden they want to be our friend - on their terms of course - and you don't see that as suspicious? Will we decide to give them a chance to show they can keep their word? No room for a loud "oops" to be said later, though, if we are wrong. My opinion as I see things at the present time.....
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

What do you think the Arab nations responsibilities are in regards to Israel? How about changing the Hamas Charter? How about stopping the missiles from being launched into Gaza? Seems like the onus is always on Israel when the Arab states are doing very little to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Yes, how about Israel stop launching missiles into Gaza and free the prisoners.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

And Netanyahu just upped the anti by taking the two state solution off the table.

The two state solution was never a realistic proposition and both sides knew it. The Arabs wanted Israel to surrender territory unconditionally. Israel wasn't going to do that.

Much of the world views Gaza as a prison camp.

Then they are idiots. Israel has that land because the Arabs attacked them. The minute Hamas stops attacking Israel is the minute Gaza stops being a "prison camp." But they won't stop, so Israel must defend itself.

Israel is defending itself. That's what the pinheads mean when they say that Gaza is a "prison camp".
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I don't care who the President is or from what party he comes. I may not agree with what the President does, but he is still our President and our greatest loyalty should always remain with our country and our leaders. Sometimes I think partisan hacks get so caught up in their partisanship, they tend to forget which side they truly are on.

I'm not a partisan and, if I were, my party would not be the Israeli Likud party. You care confusing positions with people. Presidents are people. It is not the position of president that earns and deserves loyalty. It is the person. I view our president as a true negative for my country, for which I do have loyalty. In my view he has harmed our country in ways that won't be corrected for years if at all. I have no loyalty to him or respect for him. Not even a little.

l have no loyalty to Israel but it is clear to me that Netanyahu is a strong and competent leader, something we do not have in this country. I'm not loyal to him but he does have my respect.

I am simply judging people. their offices have nothing at all to do with that judgement.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So how many years after Jeb becomes President will you be blaming Obama, and how would that be different from liberals blaming W for the last 8?

It is interesting to see that a die hard defender of all things Obama and Clinton that you have already conceded the next election.

As to your question? Let's see, Obama's loving sheep are STILL blaming Bush, even this week the White House put out a statement that Obama's war in Iraq was caused by Bush. So I would say, along with lying, fighting with congress, blaming others and so forth, I would say that Obama has set a new standard for low.......

And knowing American politics I would simply advise get used to it. It will be at least six if not eight long years of hearing "It's Obama's fault"....largely because it's true
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

Gaza cannot negotiate any agreement because of their divided government, so that option is off the table, and they have not kept their word in the past anyway, so no one expects them to do so now.

Israel has been a target of hatred since they were given their worthless bit of land by the UN 60 years ago - they didn't choose it, but accepted what was offered - and they have become an object of envy from their Arab neighbors because of their hard work to make it a decent place to live. The others might try some hard work to do the same for their countries instead of using terrorist bullying to get their way.

Iran has said they would like to see Israel disappear off the face of the map, and their current goal of having nuclear power to "provide electricity for their country" may be true, but it may also only be a part of the real story. No one trusts Iran, and several Arab countries have now sided with Israel in keeping Iran from going forward with their plans, including Saudi Arabia. Even the UN has stated they are against Iran becoming a nuclear power.

Israel lives with missiles being fired at them on a regular basis. Yes, they also bomb Iranian underground facilities from time to time to delay them in going nuclear - and I can't fault them for that. Hell, we'd do the same thing, or worse, if it were happening to us, and you know it. They are careful not to harm civilians since they understand it's not their fault their government is nuts! You talk about Israel violating another country's sovereignty - if any country is doing that Iran certainly qualifies every time they fire missiles at Israel to kill civilians and destroy infrastructure!

I'm trying to be fair in placing blame, but every US President from the time Israel became a State has gone on record publicly stating that Israel is an trusted ally - Democrat as well as Republican - until Obama! Personal feelings should never override statesmanship, but it's happening now. Why? Iran has also stated that we are "the great Satan," and that is a fact. All of a sudden they want to be our friend - on their terms of course - and you don't see that as suspicious? Will we decide to give them a chance to show they can keep their word? No room for a loud "oops" to be said later, though, if we are wrong. My opinion as I see things at the present time.....

Good morning Polgara. Iran has stated that they would like to see the Israeli regime wiped out. Something the US actually makes a practice of doing. I don't think that you realize how many of us Americans have been waiting for a president to hold Israel accountable, and frankly appreciate Obama's hard line on Israel, despite the fact it doesn't go far enough. But hey, you have to start somewhere. While support for Israel is still insanely high in the US, it's been ever so slowly waning, and I'll take that progress to. Perhaps someday, the US gets out of the business of covering for Israeli crimes and one day we see binding resolutions against them!
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No, this is a dodge ...

And these are newspapers ...

Hardy har har and thats another .......'evasion' :roll:

Since you won't do it I'll tell you that, in short, it's about having an ally who is surrounded by Countries that want to eliminate it
... and those same Countries want to eliminate yours and mine.

What purpose does this alliance serve other than to turn those very countries against you ?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Hardy har har and thats another .......'evasion' :roll:



What purpose does this alliance serve other than to turn those very countries against you ?
Those Countries are already against you.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

The two state solution was never a realistic proposition and both sides knew it. The Arabs wanted Israel to surrender territory unconditionally. Israel wasn't going to do that.



Then they are idiots. Israel has that land because the Arabs attacked them. The minute Hamas stops attacking Israel is the minute Gaza stops being a "prison camp." But they won't stop, so Israel must defend itself.

Israel is defending itself. That's what the pinheads mean when they say that Gaza is a "prison camp".

Better get use to it, slowly but surely people are onto Israel. And they're going to have to learn to play nice, or eventually things won't be going well for them.

American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say

American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say

ISRAEL AFRAID OF DWINDLING GLOBAL STANDING

http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/palestine/israel-afraid-of-dwindling-global-standing-1.1441266

Parliament's vote underlines Israel's deepening isolation
The world is no longer shutting its eyes to the Benjamin Netanyahu government's obstructionism and violence

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-underlines-Israels-deepening-isolation.html
 
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