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Netanyahu poised for 3rd straight term Israel PM after rival concedes[W:350:384]

Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Well, that is certainly an opinion you have a right to sir. Some may say the same to you, only in reverse. I would be more inclined to agree with them but I digress. It doesn't matter what our opinion's are.

My observations are that Obama has done a remarkable job cleaning up the Bush mess and is arguably the best president I have witnessed in my 58 some odd years on this planet. I understand that you disagree and we'll just have to leave it at that I suppose.

But, we are in agreement about one thing, Hillary WILL have her hands full trying to navigate the politics of present after she gets sworn in.

Judging by her Book tour ( no one showed up and no one bought her stupid book ) and the fact that the Democrats she stumped for in 2014 no longer have jobs I dont see Hillary as a threat to anyone....except Bill.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

It should not be the purpose of this nation's foreign policy to be to "play nice" with any other nation. The purpose of the foreign policy of the United States should be to advance the interests of the United States as effectively as possible. One way to do that which has worked well for us before is to promote enlightened, Western political ideals wherever and whenever we can, because people who govern themselves democratically tend to love peace and seek prosperity.

Israel is a free, prosperous nation with a parliamentary government. It would never have fought with any Arab nation if various alliances of them had not attacked or threatened to attack and destroy it--which they did in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Part of the price several of those nations paid was the loss of some of their territories when the fighting stopped and the borders adjusted. No nation has ever been obliged to give up land it gained in the course of defending itself against foreign attack. The defenders shed blood for that land, and giving it back to the aggressors would encourage even more aggression by reducing the price they paid for it.

Israel has no quarrel with Iran, either--the two nations are many hundreds of miles apart and have no common border or territorial dispute. And yet since the Jew-hating Khomeinists took power in Iran in 1979, they have continually threatened to attack Israel. They have attacked it, too, by murdering Israelis in a number of countries in terrorist attacks. Some of these have occurred in Europe and some even farther away. Twenty years ago, bombings in Argentina that targeted and killed many Jews were almost certainly the work of Iranian agents. Animosity toward Jews is rooted in the Koran itself, and under shari'ah observant Muslims are called upon to war against them. Extreme fundamentalist Muslims believe Jews are guilty of killing certain messengers that Allah sent before Mohammed.

And it's in our nations interest for us to have all these nations play nice or cost us more taxpayer dollars and lives. We get oil from a lot of these countries. 1+1=2. Do you get it? And the koran doesn't have to be law, just like the bible doesn't have to be law elsewhere. If the bible was law in America, there wouldn't be an American in fact. That is why you reach out to the ones that you can reason with, and try to hold back those that you can't.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

You don't seem able to differentiate between rhetoric and actual realities.

:doh No, you are merely projecting your opinions onto the subject, and deciding therefore that actual belief is mere rhetoric.

Really? I'm making stuff up now? The Ayatollah actively supports the talks. Hardliners in both the US and Iran do not support talks. (Generally speaking.)

That is not correct. Hardliners in Iran support the talks. As a delay mechanism.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

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So, in other words...
your decision about who should be criticized is not based upon any actual moral code, but rather who aligns with the politics you believe in. Which, as I just said to another poster, is quite disturbing
because it suggests your allegiance is not with the United States, but rather your political party.


To be clear to both you and FIL, I do not mind legitimate criticism of any President or any governmental leader. We have a right to express our displeasure with our government. And, most importantly, expressing displeasure with our government leaders does not make one un-American. But, on the flip side, expressing displeasure with the actions of an ally, does not mean we are against said ally. Anyone can criticize Israel and its government, and to say they cannot is absurd. But, even more importantly, claiming one is anti-ally because of said criticism is nothing more than childish partisanship and there is no use for it in reasonable and mature discussion.

There are those word games that distinguish you ... and have exposed you ... I said "value system" and YOU associated that with politics.
Now THAT's disturbing ... and revealing.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm trying to understand this US obsession with Israel and why its by far the largest beneficiary of US foreign aid when its not actually a third world country in need of it.

And I'm trying to understand how you need to have it explained to you.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm struggling to think of any combination between straight and Netanyahu that makes logical sense.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I'm struggling to think of any combination between straight and Netanyahu that makes logical sense.

Greetings, Manc Skipper. :2wave:

I'm wondering why we are giving money to half the places we do! Doesn't anyone in DC realize we have infrastructure that needs work - especially our grid? Sheesh! People that have to be bought to be our friends I can do without! We've been watching this same movie for years, though... no wonder we have an $18 trillion dollar debt! They think we are Santa Claus! :thumbdown:
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So are you saying being the Israeli PM is a position far more worthy of respect than the office of United States President?

At the present time with Barack "Hussein" Obama in office.....YES!
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So you think it is appropriate for the Obama Administration to fund the opposition candidate in Israel?

Not to mention that the administration laundered state dept money through a leftwing political group to do so.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

And it's in our nations interest for us to have all these nations play nice or cost us more taxpayer dollars and lives. We get oil from a lot of these countries.

Oil is a fungible commodity. No oil-exporting nation can choose where its oil ends up. And they decide how much to produce at a given time on economic grounds--not because they like someone's smile. If your remark about "taxpayer dollars and lives" refers to the U.S. incursions into Afghanistan and Iraq, those came in response to the 9/11 attacks. The 1991 Gulf War was a response to the threat Saddam Hussein posed to the supply of oil from the Persian Gulf region, but he did not decide to invade Kuwait because of anything the U.S. had done to irk him.

1+1=2. Do you get it?

What I get is that you are one of the many posters on sites like this one who imagine lame cracks are a substitute for facts and reasoning.

And the koran doesn't have to be law

Shari'ah is directly based on the Koran and the hadith, the sayings of Mohammed that enlarge on the Koran. It is chock full of condemnation of Jews and calls on the faithful to make war against them. Jihadists like the ones who have ruled Iran for the past thirty-five years take that literally and act on it. Whether the Koran "has to be law" is an absurd question, like asking whether Nazis during the Third Reich "had to" to believe and follow the views Hitler espoused in "Mein Kampf." What matters is that they did believe them and act on them.

That is why you reach out to the ones that you can reason with, and try to hold back those that you can't.

Reach out? By bowing low and apologizing for this country, maybe? That is a transparent euphemism for kissing the feet of jihadist mutts. "Try to hold back" does not mean a damned thing when the real goal is appeasement.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

And I'm trying to understand how you need to have it explained to you.

Thats not any kind of answer thats just a dodge :roll:

Israel is not America's responsibility, why do you seem programmed to automatically and unquestioningly think that it is ?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Greetings, Manc Skipper. :2wave:

I'm wondering why we are giving money to half the places we do! Doesn't anyone in DC realize we have infrastructure that needs work - especially our grid? Sheesh! People that have to be bought to be our friends I can do without! We've been watching this same movie for years, though... no wonder we have an $18 trillion dollar debt! They think we are Santa Claus! :thumbdown:



And to the north a friend who has never asked for nor received such aid ....

and Keystone. This guy sure knows how to win friends and influence people.

Over all the whole 'aid' thing often amounts to no more than vote buying at the UN where every third world vote is for sale, and it makes no sense, sending arms and money to Israel and its enemies too....?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

You are the one who claims the problems are going away in two years. Why don't you stop posting while your way behind?

So how many years after Jeb becomes President will you be blaming Obama, and how would that be different from liberals blaming W for the last 8?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So how many years after Jeb becomes President will you be blaming Obama, and how would that be different from liberals blaming W for the last 8?

As long as it takes to pay off the debt Obama has generated, more debt than Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush combined. Why don't you tell us all why you think Obama has done a good job? What economic or foreign policy successes has he generated. Cheney nailed it, Obama is the worst President in our lifetime but because of the American Idol mentality his results are ignored.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

As long as it takes to pay off the debt Obama has generated, more debt than Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush combined. Why don't you tell us all why you think Obama has done a good job? What economic or foreign policy successes has he generated. Cheney nailed it, Obama is the worst President in our lifetime but because of the American Idol mentality his results are ignored.

Well there you go. You, the king of the "Bush isn't President anymore" retort, will never stop blaming Obama. Figures.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

That might be because we were told it was close and Obama sent people to oppose him and bus in opposition voters. It is encouraging that American style campaigning has not ruined leadership in other countries.

You think they were hauling bodies out of tombs or anything like that? :lol:
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

:lol:
You think they were hauling bodies out of tombs or anything like that? :lol:
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Oh, so not like you.....


:roll:

You need help dude, there's something wrong with you!! Hear?
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Well there you go. You, the king of the "Bush isn't President anymore" retort, will never stop blaming Obama. Figures.

So no answer to the question? You defend Obama and the question is why do you ignore his record, his lack of leadership, his arrogance, and his American Idol mentality? What is it about Obama that creates people like you and that loyalty? I defended Bush because of the actual record, not the trumped up one.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So no answer to the question? You defend Obama and the question is why do you ignore his record, his lack of leadership, his arrogance, and his American Idol mentality? What is it about Obama that creates people like you and that loyalty? I defended Bush because of the actual record, not the trumped up one.

You can try to make this about me, but we know what you'll be doing in ten years. I haven't once defended Obama in this thread except in your head. I'd tell you to stop debating strawmen, but clearly that's about what you can handle.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So no answer to the question? You defend Obama and the question is why do you ignore his record, his lack of leadership, his arrogance, and his American Idol mentality? What is it about Obama that creates people like you and that loyalty? I defended Bush because of the actual record, not the trumped up one.

Btw, you admitted, albeit unwillingly, that Obama had to clean up a mess.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

In 2009 Bibi said that he'd support a two state solution if Israel's conditions were met and Israel's security guaranteed. That has been unacceptable to the Arabs, so who is holding a hard line? If not for Arab aggression there would be peace in the region. Hamas has never wavered from their pledge to wipe Israel off the map. They have never really ceased their attacks against Israel. Any concession of territory on the part of Israel is just another step closer to that goal in Hamas' eyes and a surrendering of Israeli security for nothing.

It has never really mattered how much any Israeli leader has wanted peace. If the price for peace is the destruction of Israel then they have no choice but to fight back.

Thats correct, the Palestinians have said they dont want a two state solution, they want the dissolution of Israel. And our Petulant President is now getting spiteful...
From Tel Aviv to Turtle Bay | Foreign Policy
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Btw, you admitted, albeit unwillingly, that Obama had to clean up a mess.

What mess did Obama clean up? You seem to believe that the Obama economic policy which passed in February 2009 led to the end of a recession in June 2009 long before those shovels got to those shovel ready jobs. In fact most of those shovels are apparently still in route. You are like far too many Obama supporters incapable of researching data and only buying the rhetoric.
 
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