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Netanyahu poised for 3rd straight term Israel PM after rival concedes[W:350:384]

Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

...and denial....don't forget "i never said that..."

it's about wining arguments, not debate. Image over substance, make claims then deny you made them, all very subtly.

The soft underbelly of the anti-israel camp in the us has always disgusted me. As much as i hate racists, at least i know a kkk member is going to hate israel, not claim impartiality while supporting a president whose policies will lead to the nation's destruction. My god, do any of you know the implications of moving back to 1967's borders in today's missile happy world? They were barely able to stop the tanks then.

No, with obama as with most of his recklessness, he has exposed the ugly underbelly of anti-semitism in america.

spot on!!!!!
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.

No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
 
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Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.

This would be my negotaitions with Iran

President Travis- " If you build one more reactor we will destroy them...If we sense you are enriching within 24 hours they will be a burning piles of rubble..I suggets you work to have yoru scantions lifted and enter into the modern world of legit countries".


that would get there attention.. btu Obama is faciltiang them getting nukes and they have them already.. this whole thing was abotu TIME and Obama allowed that time period to hit critical mass.. Iran has won..Obama has lost..
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .

and America has saved millions of lives,,, more then any other country in history...

I sense Israel woudl save more if the would would let Isreal unleash morality in the region...Israel woudl ahve destroyed ISIS in 3 days..
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .

No it isn't. We aren't talking about generic nations. We're talking about one specific nation - Israel. Show me one time where the US has invested blood in the defense of Israel. And while you're at it, answer the question I asked you about the reason for Obama's negotiation with Iran, which you ignored.
 
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No it isn't. We aren't talking about generic nations. We're talking about one specific nation - Israel. Show me one time where the US has invested blood in the defense of Israel. And while you're at it, answer the question I asked you about the reason for Obama's negotiation with Iran, which you ignored.

I cannot show you that other than the financial and military aid we have given them. And lets keep it that way.
 
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and America has saved millions of lives,,, more then any other country in history...

I sense Israel woudl save more if the would would let Isreal unleash morality in the region...Israel woudl ahve destroyed ISIS in 3 days..

I have no doubt ISIS could be effectively wiped out in a week. But would that simply cause a new version to spring up when hatred across the middle east finds new bodies to inhabit? If the arab muslim nations want to do it - more power to them. But it has to come from them.
 
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I cannot show you that other than the financial and military aid we have given them. And lets keep it that way.

So your point about blood is moot. Now, answer the question concerning the exact reason Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development. You keep avoiding it for some strange reason.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Good grief, man, from where do you get your news?

I'm trying to understand this US obsession with Israel and why its by far the largest beneficiary of US foreign aid when its not actually a third world country in need of it.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

So your point about blood is moot. Now, answer the question concerning the exact reason Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development. You keep avoiding it for some strange reason.

No - my worries about getting involved in something that spirals out of control are very real and not at all moot.

You confuse me with Obama.I am not him and do not answer for him.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

No - my worries about getting involved in something that spirals out of control are very real and not at all moot.

Your comment about Americans dying in defense of Israel was incredibly wrong. What you worry about is your problem and not necessarily grounded in reality.

You confuse me with Obama.I am not him and do not answer for him.

So you have no idea why this country is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development, but you have fears concerning the outcome of those negotiations. Can you describe your fears - besides the already unfounded one you've mentioned.
 
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Your comment about Americans dying in defense of Israel was incredibly wrong. What you worry about is your problem and not necessarily grounded in reality.



So you have no idea why this country is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development, but you have fears concerning the outcome of those negotiations. Can you describe your fears - besides the already unfounded one you've mentioned.

Terrific - I will be honest and tell you my fears and I do not care what they are grounded in other than my own feelings.

There are things I know a great deal about. Our foreign policy with Israel is NOT one of them so you have me at a disadvantage. I freely admit that.

I am not posting here as any authority on the subject - only as a concerned American who does not want his nation to get involved in fighting another nations battles.

My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression. And we as his top ally and military power just might be the one to save his ass should his mouth overload his ability to deliver.

That is my fear.
 
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There are things I know a great deal about. Our foreign policy with Israel is NOT one of them so you have me at a disadvantage. I freely admit that.

I am not positing here as any authority on the subject - only as a concerned American who does not want his nation to get involved in fighting another nations battles.

My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression.

Ah, so even though you admit you're not really up on things there, you're concerned because Bibi is a "right winger" who doesn't want to make peace with the people who as recently as last year launched an unprovoked missile attack on his country. How dare he not want to make peace with them. Israel gave them the land they launched the attacks from, BTW. Yes, Israel took it from them the last time an attack originated from that region. What more would you like for that "right winger" to do? There's been no change in the leadership within the Palestinians, and they continue to vow the destruction of Israel as their objective. What should Israel do? And we aren't involved in fighting Israel's battles - that has already been established - so what should the Israelis do?
 
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Ah, so even though you admit you're not really up on things there, you're concerned because Bibi is a "right winger" who doesn't want to make peace with the people who as recently as last year launched an unprovoked missile attack on his country. How dare he not want to make peace with them. Israel gave them the land they launched the attacks from, BTW. Yes, Israel took it from them the last time an attack originated from that region. What more would you like for that "right winger" to do? There's been no change in the leadership within the Palestinians, and they continue to vow the destruction of Israel as their objective. What should Israel do? And we aren't involved in fighting Israel's battles - that has already been established - so what should the Israelis do?

I gave you my thoughts that you asked for.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Some of the reaction in this country led by the rhetoric of the current occupant in the WH shows just how anti Israel many in this country are. Israel is the best Ally the U.S. has in the Region and the country closest to being a democracy yet Obama and his Administration continue to show their incompetence as well as true colors. Is there anyone here who can honestly claim that Radical Islam wants Israel to exist? Looks to me like we have a lot of radical Islam supporters here in this country as well.

I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?
 
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I gave you my thoughts that you asked for.

Yes, but you never bothered to address the negotiation deal. That's fine. If you don't know, then you don't know. The mere thought of a "right winger" standing up for the nation he leads bothers you. If the person leading Israel was a "left winger" standing up for the nation he leads, that wouldn't. It's all about ideology, then. You know, Golda Meir was the leader of Israel during the Yom Kippur War.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?

You think that radical Islam is going to play "nice" with Israel, ever? Israel has a population of approximately 8 million surrounded by a billion people many of whom live under a charter that calls for their total destruction. Don't know about you, but my support is for a true ally not a bunch of radical nuts who hate Israel more than they love their own kids.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

You think that radical Islam is going to play "nice" with Israel, ever? Israel has a population of approximately 8 million surrounded by a billion people many of whom live under a charter that calls for their total destruction. Don't know about you, but my support is for a true ally not a bunch of radical nuts who hate Israel more than they love their own kids.

I think you are seriously misinformed. I know quite a few jews and Palestinians personally in the Cincinnati area and while many of them are prejudice towards one another, others seek common ground. What you are suggesting about being surrounded by radicals, is like if I said every single person in Ohio is an asshole. Sure most of them are, but I got a lot of family and friends there too, and a lot of them I can find common ground with. Many people, younger people specifically in Iran for example think more like Americans than you would probably care to know.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Yes, but you never bothered to address the negotiation deal. That's fine. If you don't know, then you don't know. The mere thought of a "right winger" standing up for the nation he leads bothers you. If the person leading Israel was a "left winger" standing up for the nation he leads, that wouldn't. It's all about ideology, then. You know, Golda Meir was the leader of Israel during the Yom Kippur War.

The long dead Meir or Bibi - I really don't care. All I did was provide my two cents as an American who does not want to see us get sucked into something that spirals out of control. Period.
 
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I think you are seriously misinformed. I know quite a few jews and Palestinians personally in the Cincinnati area and while many of them are prejudice towards one another, others seek common ground. What you are suggesting about being surrounded by radicals, is like if I said every single person in Ohio is an asshole. Sure most of them are, but I got a lot of family and friends there too, and a lot of them I can find common ground with. Many people, younger people specifically in Iran for example think more like Americans than you would probably care to know.

So you are comparing the middle east to Ohio? I grew up in Ohio and know that all people aren't assholes, just radical Islamic fundamentalists living in the area with a charter that calls for the destruction of Israel. Does that exist in Ohio?
 
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The long dead Meir or Bibi - I really don't care. All I did was provide my two cents as an American who does not want to see us get sucked into something that spirals out of control. Period.

Well, Golda was a "left winger", and she presided over war. So the meme that because Bibi is a "right winger", and that means he's a war monger doesn't hold water, either. BTW, Likud is not the most right wing party in Israel, by any stretch. I do share your sentiment that hostilities in the ME should be reduced. I'm simply concerned about the price of that peace and the likelihood that negotiating a peace now only postpones a more murderous future.
 
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Well, Golda was a "left winger", and she presided over war. So the meme that because Bibi is a "right winger", and that means he's a war monger doesn't hold water, either. BTW, Likud is not the most right wing party in Israel, by any stretch. I do share your sentiment that hostilities in the ME should be reduced. I'm simply concerned about the price of that peace and the likelihood that negotiating a peace now only postpones a more murderous future.

You seem to want to argue this when all I am doing is telling you what my fears as an American are - something you asked about.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?

It should not be the purpose of this nation's foreign policy to be to "play nice" with any other nation. The purpose of the foreign policy of the United States should be to advance the interests of the United States as effectively as possible. One way to do that which has worked well for us before is to promote enlightened, Western political ideals wherever and whenever we can, because people who govern themselves democratically tend to love peace and seek prosperity.

Israel is a free, prosperous nation with a parliamentary government. It would never have fought with any Arab nation if various alliances of them had not attacked or threatened to attack and destroy it--which they did in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Part of the price several of those nations paid was the loss of some of their territories when the fighting stopped and the borders adjusted. No nation has ever been obliged to give up land it gained in the course of defending itself against foreign attack. The defenders shed blood for that land, and giving it back to the aggressors would encourage even more aggression by reducing the price they paid for it.

Israel has no quarrel with Iran, either--the two nations are many hundreds of miles apart and have no common border or territorial dispute. And yet since the Jew-hating Khomeinists took power in Iran in 1979, they have continually threatened to attack Israel. They have attacked it, too, by murdering Israelis in a number of countries in terrorist attacks. Some of these have occurred in Europe and some even farther away. Twenty years ago, bombings in Argentina that targeted and killed many Jews were almost certainly the work of Iranian agents. Animosity toward Jews is rooted in the Koran itself, and under shari'ah observant Muslims are called upon to war against them. Extreme fundamentalist Muslims believe Jews are guilty of killing certain messengers that Allah sent before Mohammed.
 
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Frankly I thought maybe Netanyahu wasn't going to win. But then the average Israeli probably looks at him differently.

That might be because we were told it was close and Obama sent people to oppose him and bus in opposition voters. It is encouraging that American style campaigning has not ruined leadership in other countries.
 
Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression. And we as his top ally and military power just might be the one to save his ass should his mouth overload his ability to deliver.

That is my fear.

In 2009 Bibi said that he'd support a two state solution if Israel's conditions were met and Israel's security guaranteed. That has been unacceptable to the Arabs, so who is holding a hard line? If not for Arab aggression there would be peace in the region. Hamas has never wavered from their pledge to wipe Israel off the map. They have never really ceased their attacks against Israel. Any concession of territory on the part of Israel is just another step closer to that goal in Hamas' eyes and a surrendering of Israeli security for nothing.

It has never really mattered how much any Israeli leader has wanted peace. If the price for peace is the destruction of Israel then they have no choice but to fight back.
 
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